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Health, Safety & Properties · Meeting · Jan 5, 2026
Jan 5, 2026
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Great. I'm here. You're here.
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Have you heard any more of this?
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No, no, no.
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I am talking about the junior.
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Where's daddy? I don't know. I didn't even ask him. He just sent me a text and said he was going to be here.
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I guess I should have.
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All right. Sure.
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Oh, yeah. No problem.
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Oh, yeah. That's easy. No, that's what I understand.
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All righty. We'll call this meeting to order. If
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we could have a roll call, please ma'am. Calcott
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here. Jim Harren. Todd Collins here. Danny Clark. Michael Thomasson
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here. Matthew Barhill here. Keith Nash. Steve Janaka here. Dusty Jordan here.
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Ron Mayberry here. Devin Picker here. Ron Pucket. Clay Chesser
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here. Ricky Murray here. 10 present, four absent.
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10 present, four absent. We do have a forum. U you had a there was an agenda
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that was emailed out
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11. Uh need an approval of the agenda.
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Second.
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Thank you. Good on the on that. Okay. Uh all in favor say I.
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Second on that. Sorry. Okay. All oppose. Any oppose? Excuse me. Hey,
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we have an agenda. Uh public comment period. Is there anyone that would wish to speak during the public comment
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period? All righty.
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uh adoption of the minutes from uh we did not have a meeting on
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this would be November November it says December on the but that from the November did
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though did those get might have to adopt those at the next meeting
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I don't know they got sent out I don't think they I don't remember did I might have missed them I don't remember seeing them Okay. All right. We
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will take care of that. This is what happens when you get the JB chairman right here, y'all.
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Hey, don't bear with me. Bear with me. We'll take care of that next month.
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Beth, if you could remind the real chairman that. I will. Uh,
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is there uh a monthly reports? Uh, we're going to start with EMA.
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I got mine. I didn't get it turned in until today. I had too many holiday festivities fun. But everything should
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be in the packet. If y'all have any questions on it, I'd be glad to answer anything.
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Yeah. Can you bring everybody up to speed on communications with 911 just to let them know a lot just the highlight
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where we are on everything? So currently right now we're we're still in the process of getting all the legal pieces
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uh finalized with state and u those contracts they're most of them have been
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signed. We're still waiting on one more to come through but then we'll be moving once that all those contracts are
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signed. We will be starting to move over the process of the state coming onto our
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towers and us going over onto some of the state towers to try to enhance those capabilities as far as communications.
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Um but right now we're we're kind of in that process. Uh we've got the last of
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the radios uh which are for the U fire departments have been ordered. Uh as far
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as I know they're in route to here now. uh they're being uh we won't be turning
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any of those radios over to the fire department until last week training, but that should be happening this month here
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in January. So, all the other department should have their radios. I think there's still a few little quirks that
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we need to work out. Thank you.
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Anything else? All right. Thank y'all. Um,
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who wants to go next? Go ahead, Alex. Um, apologize. We we got our email out
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just about an hour ago. Uh, we were waiting on a quote coming in for um, uh, the monitors. They had sent us one and
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it had some errors in it they were correcting. Um, I'll make some hard copies if anyone needs a hard copy that
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didn't get the email. All right. So, um, we we too kind of had a glitch for October. We couldn't get
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the numbers. They were splining the system. Um uh and so if you don't mind, I'll report October's numbers next
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month. Uh November we ran uh 232 calls. Uh our collections were 67,39824.
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Our charges were 165,24973. Uh December we had 280 calls. Um our
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collections were $8,818.19. Um, and our charges were 147 77523.
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Um, you you want to handle all the financial finances in one boat or not? Yeah, I think that'll be fine.
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Okay. We have two write off requests. Um, one is for uh $877.50.
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Uh, family that had a four-year-old diagnosed with seizure disorder. Uh, dad
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uh was out of work at the time, didn't have insurance. mom's having to take off uh to the kid. He's now working, but
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they had no insurance during that time. U Tristar gave them a total ride off for
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their um um their situation because um their their financial uh situation was
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so bad. Also, we have 57 year old u requesting uh ride off. Uh she was in a
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wreck and has become disabled. She's uh getting on disability, but the checks
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haven't started yet. Her her insurance at the time did pay at uh most of the of
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the bill left balance at $2232. And that's that's the financials.
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I make a motion to approve the rate offset
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to get a second.
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8750 and 233 or 22302. Yeah, he had he made the motion. I made
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the second. Any discussion? We need a roll call on this, I believe.
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Yes. Calott. Yes. Jim Herren. Todd Collins. Yes. Danny Clark.
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Michael Wayne Thomasson. Yes. Matthew Barnhill. Yes. Keith Nash. Yes. Steve. Dusty Jordan. Yes.
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Ron Mayberry. Yes. Devin Pickard. Yes. Ron Tucket. Blake Chester. Yes. Ricky Murray.
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Yes. So 11. Yes. Three. Absent. Okay. We're uh ready to move forward uh with
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purchase of our cardiac monitors. We have financing two financing options. Uh
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the total cost is going to be 555,625 or 6254
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cents rather. Um and we have uh two options. One is three-ear lease. Uh and
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that's 185,20834 and that's 0% interest or there's a
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six-year 2% loan um and the monthly would be 90 or the annual will be 97
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45352 uh these prices are uh locked in till
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March 1st more than likely there'll be a increase at that time
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got a question for you how much is the what's the length of the monitors last
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they're about 10 years. We we get about 10 years out of them. Okay.
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Um we've been approved for a grant uh for equipment through the state which
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should be about 30 $30,000 that we could apply toward the u the purchase or or toward
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the payment rather and also I've been for the opioid board uh tax for funding
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and and in the process of of that. So, what if we got also put toward that
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first that first payment? Um, I' I'd like to ask you to go ahead and and uh
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vote on this and send it before the the budget committee. Crystal's here to answer any questions that may have on
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the details of the financing. Does any of the prices include the
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repairs? Yes, the warnings are included. By the way,
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the the monitors we chose have had the best warranty. Um, and so that's one reason
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that we we chose them and plus there wasn't as being proprietary propri proprietary get minute piece of
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equipment which had might go with it. Um, the other they they sold you some pretty high stuff to go along with that.
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You know, as you work and stuff like that, you'd have to replace some some pretty expensive equipment and this this
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one you did not have to do that.
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Well, he answered that question, but I do have a question. It's what we do tonight just puts it before the budget
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committee to discuss. Is that correct? Yes,
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um I apologize, Alan. I may be plowing through some ground we've already done at least once.
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How many of these monitors are we? Seven. Seven. That's Is that one per vehicle?
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Yes. Okay. And also a CPR device per Okay. Um,
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at one point in time there was a conversation I believe that some of these are going out of date, that sort of thing.
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Yeah, they so so all of ours have passed the 10 year mark as of first year and and so
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we're we're paying u last year we paid an extra $10,000 for warranty that covers less than than what we were
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paying for. And this year we expect to go up another five or six thousand dollar
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to to keep but that's co that's we're talking about the warranty there. We're not talking
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about the the the obsolete date
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right. So so so they're obsolete and because they're obsolete the the warranty price keeps
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maybe I should rephrase that instead of not being obsolete a day that that we are going to be forced to take them out
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of service. So, so, um, uh, no, no, no, no. Um, they're they're
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just getting old and right place before they start. So, my and then that's kind of my
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concern. Number one is concern is it's $500,000. Uh the second concern is if we
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do this, are we not going to be five years from now, six years from now
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going to be sitting here looking at another choke point? Yes. Because we haven't staggered this.
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Yes. Whereas if we could stagger it the we reduce the the annualized cost but
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then we also get this thing maybe that we can instead of having to go through these extraordinary meth methods we we
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inject money into the the annual budget to buy one or two a year and and roll on
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like that. So so the issues that we run into is every year they change the the equipment that goes with it. So we we would have
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to stock like different pads for for each year model. And so it just runs into to just an issue with with us u
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keeping everything current um and having to supply so many different you know
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some some of those pads are are $100 a piece and and if if we had to buy stock for you know six or seven different
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units you know that that would that be how often do they change models? every
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every every couple years they'll they'll change something on it. So, you know, there you know the computers and I mean
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that same same idea there. I mean, that's my concern is that okay, we we somehow we bite this off. We're
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just setting ourselves up for another turn right around. That's exactly right. Um it's u you know
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there there's a date out there that that you're racing toward where you have to do this again.
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Um, and so, um, like I said, the ones we have are are 10 years old and older. Um,
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and that the recommended lifespan on on ambulance is seven years just because of the wear and tear that you go through.
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But, but we try we try to pull that extra three years out um because we take
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care of our equipment. But, u, you're exactly right.
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I mean, is there I mean, is there a better way of doing that than than us, you know, setting ourselves up again for
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this major expenditure? Um, we've talked about several different
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options that we could go through. Um, you know,
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these are um very delicate pieces of equipment that um are very expensive and
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that's the That's all like, you know, that it is it
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is not a good situation. And I'm I'm not saying that it is, but we're just g that.
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And so if we if we approve this, it really just going to push it to the budget committee. So all those financial
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hurdles and turmoils and questions and answers and strategies are going to have
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to get played out in that committee.
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Was there a communications issue with this? Was that something was that something different that these machines
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hospitals have changed or am I think something different? So So um
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we're set up to to where we can communicate with hospitals. But either of those um you know either option and
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even our old ones will communicate with the hospital in the same same way. Um it's um that this this one um
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has its own um um Wi-Fi built into it.
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And so that would allow us to uh to communicate through that machine specifically without having to, you
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know, link to other things. But uh that's just, you know, one one of the
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one of the upgrades that they put in it.
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Anyone else?
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Are they about $78,000 a piece?
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The the units uh with the um the monitor and the CPR device together is right
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about $78,000. Yes. Okay. I I have the breakdown of the cost of
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the And you have all that your email if you didn't if you didn't have a chance to check that somebody wants to to look
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more than Okay.
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So, that's device. Is the bid that you send us is that the lowest bid or did we have multiple
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biders or It's not the lowest bid, but um the lower bid is the one that sends you with
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all the equipment that you have to buy every time you use it. So, there's like on the CPR device,
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there's a band that you use every time you perform CPR. It's $150 band. This one doesn't have that. It has a
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little suction cup that's reusable. Um they have um they have tubes and stuff
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that are uh you have to buy it through them and they're very expensive. And so
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we felt like that that it was better to buy the one that was more basic as far
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as not having to to buy specialized equipment for it every time we use it. Um there there wasn't there wasn't a
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whole lot of difference, but what was it like? I think about for all of them together
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it was about 34,000 in the quote but paying for the lock bands I think will
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make up the difference Mr. Mayberry
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two two now we're they they're good for seven we stretch them out to 10 is that
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if if at all possible. So that takes us to $7,937
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a year per unit. Miss Crystal, was there $34,000
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difference in the bid or was it or was the other bid 34,000?
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Um so And I I didn't bring the other bid, but they were both savage quotes, so it
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wasn't publicly bid because we buy from cooperatives, but I believe for all of the heart monitors, it was about a 30
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$34,000 difference between the two. Um, and then there was some stuff with the
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ZO monitors wouldn't uh they were still working on some stuff communicating with
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your ESO. Yeah. And so that that was another another issue that old just rolled out a
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brand new monitor that won't communicate with our um with our computer program.
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And so, you know, we we just pretty well couldn't couldn't go with that because
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um what they're supposed to do is download all the stuff into our our computer and when we run our when we
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write our EPCRs, it just downloads it right into the the system um and keeps it as a record. Um and and the the new
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soul launcher that have not gotten to that point yet. So, does not communicate.
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Does not communicate. Mr. Calls,
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are we char we've talked about this before. Are we at the max what we can charge per run?
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We're we're looking at that right now. Medicare just went up on their allowable
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and so bad jumped on that immediately. Medicare has we have adjusted our rates
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with the billing company. uh they annually review that when the Medicare rates come out and as part of our
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contract they excuse me they automatically adjust those rates according to Medicare.
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It was put into our contract this time to do that to the maximum. Yes.
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So they are reviewing ours I think should be reviewed by the end of this month to adjust.
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Is it do you look at this a statue? Have you seen any predictions or No, I haven't seen anything yet.
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Any other questions?
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I want a motion to send it to the budget committee
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to kick it around there. I'll make a motion to send it to Commissioner Collins and Commissioner
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Mayberry on the second. Any more discussion?
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All in favor say I. Those opposed. Okay. We'll get to talk about it again
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next Monday. Okay. Uh what else, sir?
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That's all. Okay. We do we need to we need to make a motion to accept all the financial
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we we did that part. Oh, we covered. Okay. I thought Okay. Well, I don't know. Does that
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We did the write offs. Okay. Thank you. Well, do do we need another motion to accept all of the
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Yes. Thank you, sir. Make a motion that we'll use you Collins and May. Second.
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Roll call, please. Ma'am. Clott.
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Yes. Jim Harren. Todd Collins. Yes. Danny Clark. Michael Wayne. Yes.
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Matthew Barnhill. Keith Ash. Yes. Steve Janakus. Dustin Jordan. Yes. Ron Mayberry. Yes.
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Deon Pickard. Yes. Ron Pucket. Clay Chester. Yes. Ricky Murray. So 11.
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Yes. Three absent. Okay. All right. Sheriff Craft. Matt. Who
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wants next?
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Any questions for Matt side properties?
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All right. All right.
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Few things. I did not get my reports. I apologize.
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We were uh 1328 calls this month. We got
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138 people in the jail currently. Uh we did have a meeting with Judge Lane and
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people at the courthouse a few weeks ago. Uh we believe we have a office for
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Judge Lane kind of worked out and for his assistant. I talked to Matt about that today. There
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some minor things we need to do to get that fixed up. So he'll actually be here
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in the process getting that done. Uh there was we did we had a pretty good meeting.
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two and a half hours probably um on some stuff that we'd like to uh everybody in
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the courthouse would like to see done to some improvements needs to be done some security wise um
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different things that needs to be done like in the courthouse and just a lot of
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this general maintenance it just hadn't been done in a long time that we need to upgrade some stuff um but we had a very
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productive meeting on that Um, uh, Brady Turner. Um, he is still
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deployed to Memphis with National Guard. Probably be there for a few more months, more than likely. We did talk to him.
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Um, and, uh, there was a possibility he may get come back end of this month, but
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it may be a little bit longer, bit shorted still. We are
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fully staffed right now on patrol and uh the jail. Um
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that's took some time for that to happen. So
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we're we're making some progress there. Um STR
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did donate a 2017 Kenworth to us a couple weeks ago. Uh that will open up a
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a lot of doors for us to get a lot of federal surplus equipment. I've already talked to Jordan about the the landfill.
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Um there's stuff we can get for disasters and stuff that we can use we can get and hopefully use out at the
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landfield that can save some money there and some equipment. Um
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that was a big portion actually getting us a truck to use and we'll start looking for a trailer and seeing what is
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out there that we can get kind of help out the not just the sheriff's office, but everybody in general.
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Um, I've been talking to Commissioner Clark, um, and I think he had talked to
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Commissioner Nash a little bit about a resolution for our nicotine pouches that we're selling
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in the jail now. Um, with the money that's made from that, uh, going into a
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criminal line item, Crystal's been
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working with us on that as well. And the money that's made from that would go into a line item that would just be used
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for um upgrades at the jail and upgrades for the justice center. And
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I'd probably add in there too maybe equipment for people in the jail as well, but keep it in house where it's
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not going to patrol or anything, but it is focused mainly on these two areas.
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But like I said, uh hopefully we can get that going. I said I talked to him today and we're kind of working out the last
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little details of that and we've already started the process and that's very
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good. Deputy Martinez or Detective Martinez, he just got back a couple weeks ago. He
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spent three months in Virginia and we are now certified. He is now certified
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to do all the training and certification well training of our new dogs. Um
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he uh he used his um college fund from the military to pay for this school. The
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only thing we paid for was his salary while he was there. And he done that the first time. That's how we get our first
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K9 dog certified. Uh he does it this time. He got an additional dog that he
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trained. And um we also uh Deputy Turner who's in Memphis um we applied him for a
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scholarship to the same school and when he got deployed he actually got the
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scholarship but the the people there said hey um you're a you're an instructor with us now. You've passed
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and you're you're good to go. So we're just going to send you another dog back with you and you can train it here and
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get him squared away. Get him ready to go. Then we'll call them. They'll fly in and certify all our dogs at one time.
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So, we'll have four dogs pretty much at minimal cost to the county.
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It's been phenomenal. Another another thing, uh he met a u I guess one of
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their reps that deal with the school there was Brian Brianna Brianna. Um and
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now we're getting free dog food for them for all the dogs. So, we don't have to pay for dog food anymore.
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Pyina. That is phenomenal. Pyina. Pina. Yes. Good. Perina. We have Pina
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Fred. U so if y'all remember correctly, um I
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know I remember Fre was a secretary or Allan sent this time last year. Um I had
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to come and ask for a lot of money for medical. Uh we were 25% over budget. uh
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in December of last year and Allan talked about I said that was
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one of the worst feelings I ever had was to come and and have to ask for for money and a lot of stuff I couldn't
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control because it was medical and and food. Um we pretty much revamped the
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entire medical process in the jail. Um had to get the attorney involved in a
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few things and um we are now at 21% of what our budget is and we're halfway
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through the year. Um, to me that's phenomenal. So, one
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thing I'd actually talked to Commissioner Clark about was if we're
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still on this this road when we get closer to the end of budget time, if we have some of that
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money left over, uh, if it's possible, we can move that into Lime Island where
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we can do the upgrades to the jail that we need done and to the house needs to
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be done. That would that would get something that would get our process rolling a whole
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lot quicker than like
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but that's a that's an option we can look at if you'd like to look at that. I think it'd
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be very beneficial and like it would help us out tremendously.
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That's about all I have right now, but I'd be glad to answer any questions anybody's got. Commission Thomas. Sir,
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I give you a round of applause for all the work that you've done.
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You you're also the citizen of the year, but uh kudos to you for all you've done
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for us. Well, even though you gave me co
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years ago, I told him yesterday.
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Hey, I I tell everybody that it's not me. It's it's the people I have working for me that is doing a fantastic job.
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I'm uh I tell everybody I'm just one that tries to keep all the cats hurrying together.
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It's kind of what my job is. And I'm sure there's a a lot more people that would more deserving of that honor than
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me, but I just try to try to do what y'all put me in this position to do. So,
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but thank you very much. Thank you, Commissioner Nashville. Um, so like the sheriff mentioned, um,
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he had spoken with with Commissioner Clark and and Commissioner Clark spoke with me about this. You know what what
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they would like to do is uh create a special account that we can
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will roll the revenue that comes in from that smokeless tobacco sales into that
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special account and then the only reason the only thing that can be that that
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money can be expended on is you know the infrastructure enhancements he's talking
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about in the jail and over here. Um,
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I don't mind at all and I'm and I'm okay with it. I'd like to write that resolution and get that. But I wanted to
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make sure everybody understood two things. Number one is, you know, if I if
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we go write this, I want everybody to know what we're doing so that everybody's, you know, tentatively okay
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with that. Um and so if you have an objection to you know kind of setting
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that money aside have that discussion now then when we have it with that resolution in front of
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you. The the other aspect of it is and everybody needs to understand this. I think sheriff understand this is that
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you know the fact that this particular county court would agree to such a resolution does not ensure
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that the next another county court may come at some point in time and you know
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negate that and it just become a a line I mean you know it would just roll into
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101 as far as revenue is concerned. So there there's no way that that I know of that we can just
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safeguard that in a lock box so to speak. Um but I think it would be you
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know it would not be very wise to do thing that but I've seen a lot of unwise things done. So what I I just want to
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make sure before I go to the effort to do that if anybody has a concern about us earmarking those revenues for that
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specific purpose you know I'm not saying speak up now and forever hold your peace but
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I'd like to know what they have before I go to the effort to get that written.
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Okay. Any other questions or discussion
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related to the sheriff department?
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All right, sir. Thank you. Uh, next up is old business. Is there
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any old business? All right.
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Yes, sir. We have just come here. Sure. Yeah. I'm asking for timeline by no means. Can
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you catch us up on what's left to do at the Pinewood Emergency?
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Sure. Be glad to. Um, there's just a tad bit of more paint that has to be done on
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the inside. The outside's completely finished except for the ramp and the uh
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pad out front. It has to be poured. Um the resin has to be put on the floors.
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The cabinets have to be installed and they're just now I think finishing up the lights
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inside. Um then of course the fixtures and trim has to be put in and we'll be ready to
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roll. Question. We're getting close, but I don't have a time up.
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Mr. Thompson, is there anything to do with the fire marshal? Is there anything
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not that I'm aware of? There is not. Thank you.
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Okay. Any other old business?
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We we wrote we agreed on pushing a resolution through for the collection of
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money at the four-way. That's been about a year. Have we do we know where it's
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at? How it's going? I mean, last we heard it was going to the law.
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Yeah, that's the last I remember.
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If you talk to Dan, will you check on the boot drives? You talking about
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the collecting money at the four-way. We we had a resolution to look at and kind
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of tweak it and make sure it was good.
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Yeah. Jack
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uh new moving on new business. Uh surplus property. There was an email that was sent out
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from the finance department. We'll need to We'll need to vote on
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that. I'll make a motion to to make a surplus. Okay. Second.
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Any discussion?
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Do we need a roll call on that? We do.
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Qual. Yes. Jim Harren. Todd Collins. Yes. Andy Clark.
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Michael Thomasson here. Matthew Barnhill. Yes. Keith Nash, yes. Steve Janakus,
36:02
yes. Dusty Jordan, yes. Ron Mayberry, yes. Deon Picker, yes. Pucket Chester, yes. Ricky,
36:09
yes. 11, yes. Three, absent. Okay. I just like to change my vote to a yes.
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Instead of here. All right. Uh, other new business.
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Do you have anything? I do. Um, in
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whenever last time that we all convened November, in November, we passed a we approved a
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road list that added a road that goes to a cemetery in my district. Um
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uh I got a phone call the day after that passed or two days after that passed and
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that uh property that that road that cuts that road goes through is actually
37:02
under litigation. I did not know that at the time or I never would have brought it up. Um that information was not
37:09
disclosed to me. Uh but uh our full county court meeting at the end of this
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month, I will be bringing that back up as a motion to reconsider
37:21
so that we can undo that because the county does not need to do anything make anything a government a county road or
37:29
anything like that if there's pending litigation between some family members. And so I apologize. I never thought to
37:36
ask that question when it was brought up to me. it made it through the county highway department. It didn't get
37:42
brought up and so but but it when I found that out, I felt like that we need to undo what we did. So, there'll be a
37:49
motion to uh reconsider at the end of the month, but that's what it'll be. I didn't want y'all I know that really in
37:55
this committee here, you know, that may not pertain exactly, but I didn't want anybody to be caught off guard on the
38:02
fourth Monday night about why that I was bringing that up. And I'll if you've got any questions right now or anything like
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that, I can we can handle it now. Whatever. But Dash didn't want anybody to be surprised. So,
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but that's all that that's the only other new business. Yes, sir. So, so I mean your intention then would
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be for us to for you to make a motion to reconsider and be seconded
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and then that uh resolution will be back on the table.
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Right. and we will vote. We will not approve that growth. Great. And then once that's not approved, then
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it'll go back to what how that's the status that it was prior to us that making that decision in November. And
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then that litigation can go forward and and do whatever is going and I and I apologize
38:52
without a bias. It looks like a bias. Yes. Right. Right. Now to me it looks like a bias what we did it if you know
38:58
that it was because it would help one side and so it looks like a bias. But you're exactly right. I should explain
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the parliament or should have had our parliamentarian, I guess, explain that. But but yes, there'll be a motion. I'll
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bring up a motion to reconsider because I was one of the ones on the prevailing side. It will need a second and then
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we'll make we'll vote on that motion and then it'll bring it back up and then I will be voting no. Um and and if it gets
39:21
voted down, then it will go back the way that it was and will not have any effect on the possible effect on any
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litigation. So, but I do apologize. Just didn't think to ask y'all. So,
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yes, sir. I got a question. Uh, Mr. Sax was here earlier, but I got a copy of a mail of
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an email from the that said there was a a theft that occurred at the Southern
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Waste, and that's all it says. Does anybody have any information?
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former inmates working 24 24 I mean 24
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go back to 04 I might be in trouble you sure that was email people were listening they correct me
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this broke in stated December 4th 2025
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no the occurrence was in the the audit it was done on was
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We got the information there, but it was 24 was the the occurren
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inmates lunch money and petty cash for landfill amount $189
40:44
and what damage it done to the building. The purpose writers were caught and they're now doing times one of them
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third time according to Jordan and they are serving time. Thank you sir.
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Motion to journal. Um so
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I I'm I'm going to kind of veer off the path for just a second and I I I appreciate you're indulging me on this.
41:14
Um, so I think everybody's kind of tired of looking at
41:21
this pretty old document here. Um,
41:28
having been on the having been on the planning commission and having sat through all of the of the um
41:37
public hearings and gone to the the gaggles that we had around the county
41:42
and listen to everybody. I I'm first off, I want to say that that this document
41:48
accurately reflects the will that was put forth by the folks
41:54
in those meetings and the planning commission synthesized
41:59
that Gresman Smith, you know, further created this document from that input.
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And so I don't want anybody to think that what I'm about to say um conflicts
42:11
with that first point. This this is what was a this was not something that got
42:17
made up. This was something that was a result of those surveys and was a result
42:22
of those engagements. And so it is a legitimate document that the planning
42:28
commission has put forward. But ultimately ultimately the land use plan
42:35
for Hitman County, Tennessee is not a document that is a product of the
42:40
planning commission. It's a product of the county commission. That means it's us. And so while they
42:48
brought this forward to this point, the only body that can approve of a land use
42:55
plan is 14 commissioners or eight of 14.
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Um, you know, we've seen um
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since this came out, a lot of a lot of activity. A lot of people have
43:11
had some concerns. Um, a lot of people have had some some questions. Some of
43:17
those questions got answers. A lot of them didn't. A lot of them didn't. Um,
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I think last month, um, excuse me, in November, uh, Commissioner Gianakus took
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the yolan's effort to to go through and and do some editing that that should go
43:35
in here. Um,
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and I think that we do need to do that. I think it needs to reflect what we
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eight of 14 uh can approve of. And so I want to make sure that that you know I'm
43:56
kind of trying to set this groundwork up to make it uh I mean I laugh I've told a couple of these commissioners I I don't
44:03
get on social media very much but I read where somebody or somebody told me that this was the the the Keith Nashclaw
44:08
Calakott land use plan. I mean it I can tell you this if I was going to write a
44:14
land use plan for Hitman County it wouldn't be this because it has high
44:19
density growth in my backyard and I don't like it. My neighbors don't
44:25
like it. I mean I know that some of y'all's folks have brought to y'all that they don't like certain aspects of it. I
44:31
guarantee you my neighbors don't like the aspect that I approved and agreed to
44:36
zero lot line development in the fourth district which is exactly what this
44:41
document has in it. But ultimately this is a document that we agreed to because
44:46
it's it's the land use plan. I think there's some disconceptions about it. You know there was a point I mean
44:54
was I okay with it? Yeah because I thought it was going to be a document that we just you know okay it's it's a document. It's something we got to do.
45:01
Um, I mean, uh, this is the land use plan we've been under the last 20 years.
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I bet you none of y'all read it from cover to cover, much less, I can assure you, we don't adhere to it. Um, are
45:14
there things that we've done that are consistent with it? Absolutely. But is
45:19
everything that we do adhere to this? Absolutely not. And yet there is seems
45:25
to be uh a misconception that you know if we do this we have to
45:33
do it. It's not you know that that we are bound and I know that from reading
45:38
lots of other land use plans uh in some of our adjacent communities
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and and this one which is the one we're on now that that's not true. But having
45:50
said that, is it a good idea for us to put our best foot forward
45:58
in making a document that reflects the direction of the county for the next, you know, the next 20 years? And I say
46:05
absolutely, it absolutely should be done. Um,
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so and and again, I want to make sure you know
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when you look at this And I'm going to and again I apologize
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but I I don't know how I do when I sit up there I can't say these things that I'm saying to you right now and so I'm
46:28
saying all this so that maybe we can get a better path forward. um
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you know when I look at this document which was again the the culmination of
46:43
these folks getting into all this um you know it shows the goals the goals are to
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preserve Hitman Countyy's pristine rivers creeks blah blah blah maintain the rural sense of place through the
46:56
preservation of low density rural a uh areas maintain agriculture accommodate
47:03
grow through a conser a conservation approach to the conversion of undeveloped land into housing. These are
47:09
the goals. These are the I'm just going through them. Um develop housing options that serves the
47:15
community members throughout one's lifespan and economic status. Increase tourism, high paying jobs, sales tax
47:21
revenue. Um expand the sewer sewer alternatives and water coverage to meet the growing demands in northeast
47:28
Hickman. expand grocery hardware store availability, diversity shopping options, and increase access to
47:34
community recreation centers. I mean, you know, those were the goals that came out of it. And I don't know if those are
47:41
truly reflective of the goals of what eight of us agreed to or not. But if they are, then we
47:50
should look at these goals and make sure that the plan is reflective of supporting those goals.
47:58
And quite frankly, if we're going to if we're going to start doing something in this, which I agree with that we should,
48:05
we need to make sure that that the goals are are are
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appropriately reflected in the rest of this document. And I do think as some of
48:16
the folks said that it's a there's a little bit of a conflict in here. There is um
48:23
you know, it's this is a strategy. You know, this was a strategy. I don't
48:28
know who said it. I was in a business meeting one time and I don't know who said this, but um culture
48:35
eats strategy for breakfast.
48:40
Let's be honest. While this is a strategy, the culture
48:46
that we live in is one that that is has a degree of distrust of government.
48:56
And I'm not going to sit here and argue with anybody about that. I mean, I didn't run for county commission 20 years ago because I trusted
49:05
the guys that were making some of those decisions and gals. Um, so I understand where they're coming
49:11
from. It's there's a trust problem. I' I've spoken with um one of my fellow
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I've spoken with several county commissioners about this and I'm I am perfect. You know, this old plan says
49:23
that there is a there is a mention in here of the fact that um Hitman County
49:33
has properties already is re is zoned one acre. There's one acre. You know,
49:40
this doesn't really change that. This didn't put this in stone, but it does
49:45
say that that it is one acre and if there's going to be changes to that, it needs to be done through a variety of
49:52
different means. You know, that wording is missing from here. I am more than happy to to and and would
50:00
like the opportunity to sit there and and tweak some of that and and put that exact language in here
50:07
that says one acre is the standard.
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I also would like the opportunity to look at some of this other stuff that I don't think is consistent with those goals. If those are indeed
50:22
our goals. Having said all that, you know, I've heard lots of different stuff
50:29
mentioned about this. Um, it does not the one thing it does not need to do is
50:35
go back to the planning commission. The planning commission is not capable of
50:40
that next step because they don't they don't have their pulse on the on the of
50:46
the people. They don't answer the people like we do. We are the voice of the good
50:52
folks of Hickman County. and and we this needs to be uh a
50:57
document that we all agreed to us think a little bit ago. So the the question is
51:04
okay how do we how do we fix this? How how do we take this document now and I think I hope everybody's looked at what
51:10
Steve put out. He did he did some good work but look at the rest of this and say okay how do we tweak this that we
51:17
can all get on board and say hey yeah this this is kind of where we're going. Um,
51:25
so I'm gonna make a first off I want to I guess this is a I'm gonna make a motion that for the next couple of
51:33
months that this committee
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since we don't have another real committee at part of our business is to
51:45
look at edits, put forth motions to this document.
51:53
that we can then take back, approve at the county court level
51:59
and send back to Greser Smith for the rewrite because I think there are some rewrites that folks want to go to do.
52:05
Um, but there's not a venue for that unless we want to meet another
52:13
night, which I don't particularly want to do. But if we can dovetail that as part of this meeting, that would we're
52:20
all here and it would give us an opportunity to to to hash that some of that stuff out.
52:26
So, um, that that that's and I I mean I'll
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stop right now before I actually make the motion because I I don't want to I want to make sure I answer any
52:37
questions. I I want I want this to be done in an orderly fashion and it's it's
52:42
just too hard to do it under the constraints if we do it outside of the committee.
52:49
Commissioner, I have a question. And I was listening, but
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we're going Can you resay what you did? You want us to I know you want us to get
53:03
together, go through some things, but then vote on it, then send it to Gresman Smith, or should it be we make
53:12
Well, here, you know, the order of operations is my question. I understand. Well, and again, here's I
53:19
think it's crazy. You know, I don't know if anybody's ever looked at this. The front page of the old
53:25
document. Anybody ever looked at it? What's it say on there? That's the stupidest word in the whole world. Draft. There's It still
53:34
says draft on it. Um, so I don't That's what I'm trying to avoid. So what my
53:40
thought is is that we next few months we use this committee to
53:47
to red line to add stuff in and we vote on it. We agree to it and it's all said
53:52
and done and we've redlined it and we add it. It goes to the county court with all the
53:59
red lines and edits and then you can still redline and edit again on that night. But once that's done, then we
54:06
send it to Gresman Smith for them to spit polish it, do it like it, you know,
54:11
and then bring it back for that final vote. Does that make sense? Yes, sir. Because I I mean because if we don't,
54:17
we're going to end up with a document that has draft. And I mean, there's again, I don't know how many of y'all
54:23
read this. There's grammatical things. I mean, there's not that much grammar. We we did the grammar part, right? Anyway,
54:30
um I'd like to make sure that we don't look silly 20 years from now when somebody picks up this one like when I
54:37
pick up this one and go, "Man, did they not read it? Did they not even review it?" So, that's
54:45
that would be my suggestion as to the process. We're using different words, but we
54:50
would amend that. Yep. With a vote, then send it off to them to
54:56
spit polish and then vote on it. Yeah. make sure it's it makes you make
55:01
sure it's all because we don't want to sit there and say, "Yeah, this is what we've done." Then they go out and they print something. All a sudden it's not
55:07
it's got a draft on it again. I mean, I I think that's the way that I would suggest that we do it. So, um I mean,
55:15
again, I've I've I've listened to what some other county commissioners say. Um,
55:21
and again, I think Steve was trying really hard to to to in fact I know he
55:26
was to to to get some things done that it might pass at the last minute. I
55:32
mean, you were working on that like the the day the day of and the hour of in fact. And
55:37
so those are good. We need to incorporate those and we need to talk about those. And then we need to and
55:43
there may be some other things. And again, one of those things is, you know, we need to look at some of that wording that was in here that everybody seems to
55:50
be to relish and how can we incorporate that and where should it be incorporated?
55:55
I'm not sure if I'm making any sense, but but at the end of the day, we're going to have to vote on a document that
56:01
we all can agree to. This is not a planning commission document anymore. It's ours. So, we need to have a venue
56:06
for us to have that discussion and to debate it and determine what we want in it, what we want out of it. And my
56:13
suggestion is that we use this committee for the next couple of months to do exactly that. And I'm not prepared to go
56:20
I'm not prepared to do anything tonight other than let's make sure that we have this discussion. Um and that way that
56:27
would it would give us the opportunity to to flesh out the issues in
56:34
you know a less formal environment which is what we do in these committees. So, having said that,
56:41
I'm going to make a motion that we use the next two to three months of the
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public safety and everything else that's on this one
56:53
um committee time to hash out the changes that the county court would like
56:59
to make to the future land use plan of the county.
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Okay. Is there a second? Second by Chester
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uh discussion. So it would be added to agenda November
57:18
meeting. Yeah. That way we could put it on the agenda and we we would we have Yeah. That way it's it's kind of to the
57:23
public would see we're talking. No. No. Yeah. Absolutely. It's either I mean again Matthew my my
57:29
concern was either we do it here, we do it in budget. Well guys, if you've been
57:35
around this joint a while, you know what's about to happen on budget. We don't need to be tossing anything more
57:40
on budget in the first quarter. So that kind of left this committee or have a special night and I really wasn't
57:47
interested in doing that. Any more discussions?
57:53
I got a couple thoughts. So, you know, we had everybody show up to that meeting that was a kind of an open meeting, work
58:01
session. We listened to what they said. I think a lot of the changes that I did address pretty much everything, every
58:07
concern that was brought up there. You know, right now there's a motion, you
58:13
know, that's been uh I don't know tabled until the next time we meet, you know,
58:19
when that the way I understand it is when it comes back up agenda time, when
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we get to that agenda item, that motion is to be voted on. If we vote yes to
58:30
make those amendments, then you'd have to turn around and say take that whole land use plan and and
58:38
send it back to this committee. Basically, a motion would have to be made to do that. Is that do I understand that what need
58:45
I mean I understand what you're saying. What what I would I'm talking just pure parliamentarian. Um, I would think at
58:52
the uh January meeting of the the the county commission where that is taken uh
58:59
off the table that a motion be made immediately if it if this is what the body wants to send the document back
59:06
here and we wouldn't even vote on that that night. We wouldn't vote on those that list.
59:13
We would not vote on the amendments. We would vote to send it back and those amendments would be
59:19
promulgated here. there would be a motion on the table. How would you be able to turn around and send it back
59:24
when when we considered it? I made a motion, it was seconded, and then it was tabled, which can push it off, but to
59:31
totally remove that motion. No, it wouldn't. We wouldn't. So, but I think if I remember correctly, Steve,
59:37
that the motion was to table it until January. Yes. So, it's going to come off the table in
59:42
January. That's right. Then the motion would then Okay. So, now it's on the table. Then you take that
59:49
that the the the initial motion which is what you correct and the motion would be made to
59:55
send that back to this committee and then that's what would happen.
1:00:03
So I'm looking at Ron because I don't that doesn't there have to be a motion to take something off to I mean to
1:00:10
No, I think the way we did that we tabled it for a time. We tempered it to a time
1:00:15
now, but that doesn't mean we have that doesn't mean that on January there's a yes or a no. It means that it's taken up
1:00:22
in business again. It can be another motion to table. It could be a motion to postpone. It could be, you know,
1:00:28
whatever. So, at that moment in time, Mr.
1:00:34
I was under what we tabled was a suggestion
1:00:39
to this plan that we were going to look at and then if it's what we wanted at a
1:00:46
later date vote this in I didn't where that's the problem I don't see now why
1:00:52
you wouldn't do that bring it off put it back before the committee put it in
1:00:58
there like you want it see what it looks like there it's We don't get through this before
1:01:04
summer, but it's what I really think need to be done. And I'm going off memory.
1:01:10
We tabled the amendments. We we table the motion to amend the land
1:01:17
use plan as written till January of 2026. Actually, till our next next meeting.
1:01:23
No, I think that I think that amendment was I mean that was just
1:01:30
to amend so we look at it and then decide if that's what we want to vote. Yeah, it was it wasn't final.
1:01:36
Correct. Yeah. So we're not really Mr. Bar.
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I think if we voted on your motion after we voted on Steve's motion
1:01:47
then we would end the commission. Wouldn't that make more sense that way?
1:01:52
Well, again, all I'm trying to do is have this discussion tonight because the county court, you know, even though we
1:01:58
are the county court, that that's where the final decision will occur. And that's all I was trying to figure out is
1:02:04
if if it was if everybody was okay with us having the that discussion in this
1:02:10
setting as opposed to
1:02:16
battle royale that sometimes can come out in a full county court meeting. and and we're you know we also have these constraints. I mean we got to conduct
1:02:23
the business in a certain fashion where we're a little we're looser always here. Yeah, I agree. I would just think I
1:02:30
would like to see how Steve motion plays out before your I think that's the that's the order that
1:02:35
I'd like to see as well or I would have to you know pull my motion back which
1:02:41
I'm not going to do. So I mean I that's what I feel like.
1:02:47
Jordan, a question. The majority of what we heard in here
1:02:52
that that night of the from the folks in the audience are
1:03:00
constituents primarily was the one I mean that's what
1:03:05
we heard and s motion I think I mean took care took care of that. If that had
1:03:11
passed that night I don't think anybody would had anybody else back in here. So
1:03:17
Keith, according to what you're proposing, it's the one acre plus some other
1:03:23
things. Is that what you're saying? Well, I think there's the one acre and then there's some folks who want to put in there, you know, kind of like the
1:03:31
statement that's in the old plan that, you know, it recognizes the fact that
1:03:36
one acre is the standard. There there's some state there was a statement there. Um, and I'll be the first to tell you
1:03:43
that, uh, you know, if
1:03:50
uh, I'm trying to think how to word this in the right fashion. Um, the thing that
1:03:55
changed me in this, Dusty, is that, um, there there's a, and I'm not saying it's
1:04:02
wrong. I'm not. I'm saying that maybe I was wrong. is that we were going to pass a
1:04:08
land use plan and basically it was going to do I mean like this one, you know,
1:04:15
but it there is there is there is a certain group out there that seems to
1:04:20
feel as if whatever we write in here, not only
1:04:28
should we do that now we must do.
1:04:33
And I think some of y'all may have heard that there's people out there who are now out there saying whatever is in here
1:04:39
must be followed. Not just adhered to, but
1:04:46
followed. So there's some wording in here that
1:04:52
for example, um, okay, I'm I'm all into infrastructure, but what are we talking
1:05:01
about when we're talking about expanding sewer? Because there's some folks out there that are ready to use this wording
1:05:06
that suddenly we're going to have to we must go get in bed with somebody in order to
1:05:15
because we said we're going to right here. It said we're going to expand. Well, wait a minute. That's not the way
1:05:20
I work. I listen to that anymore. And that but I six months ago I wasn't
1:05:25
thinking that because it's I know it's in here. But if that's the thought process that
1:05:32
people now are operating under, which I'm not against, then it needs then
1:05:38
I would be do not doing my do my due diligence for the for my constituents if
1:05:44
I sit there and said, "Oh yeah, we've been fighting us dog tooth and nail. Now I'm turning around and giving you a a
1:05:52
pass. Let's go do it." Because that's what this says. And I also don't think it would be fair to my constituents that
1:06:00
if that's the new thought process that we go in there and say, "Okay, we're
1:06:05
going to have and and I'm using this word. This is not the word gener zero lot line development in parts of this
1:06:13
county." Well, wait a minute. The county just said they wanted agricultural preservation and one acre was the standard, not 210 of an acre. Well,
1:06:21
that's in here. So it it I' I've had a mind shift. I'll be the first to tell
1:06:27
you because, you know, I've been listening to what the folks have to say. And again, I'm all I'm I'm I'm 100%
1:06:34
supportive of what Steve those those suggestions are. I just think we need to do some additional work if that's the
1:06:41
case. So and and it's all predicated on the fact that there are those people now
1:06:48
and and and we you know, who knows who's going to be here this time next year. We we don't want them to sit there and
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say if there's a document that says this is a land use plan that it needs to be and they and they look at it from the
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perspective of hey this is how where we're doing where we're going it needs to be really reflective of where we want
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to do and where we want to go. And I I guess to to my thinking if we're
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going to tweak it then there's a couple more tweaks that I would like to entertain. So, and and there needs to be
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a venue to entertain that and have those discussions. Um,
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and again, and I'm picking on this, okay? I'm just I mean, I'm just picking on it. And this this is but you know, one of the things talks about
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um and I'm trying to think of how that how that would work and I apologize.
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Let me read let me read this word phrase to you. The public will recognize the
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need to selectively expand infrastructure in areas that could strategically accommodate future growth
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thereby increasing the tax base and providing suitable locations for
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industry and job growth. Now, is that a true statement? Absolutely. I think that's what people
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said. But you could read that in there that that says it's going to increase the
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that doesn't say that it increases the uh or or lessens the tax burden.
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I don't think anybody wanted that. I was in the end of these meetings said, "Hey, listen. I want my tax dollars to go
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build the infrastructure for the developers."
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Nobody said that. But that's exactly how this could be be read because somehow they think that
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infrastructure and expansion of the infrastructure is going to increase the tax base which is going to lead to lower taxes. Guys, that's the biggest lie that
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ever came down the pike. The biggest lie that ever came down the
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pike. Expanding the infrastructure, expanding everything is going to lead to
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enhanced taxes. Dixon County would have loved to have our per capita tax rate,
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excuse me, our per capita tax assessment and how much they get paid because what
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you what you write that check for in Hickman County is significantly less than what you write it for in Dixon
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County, in Murray County, and in Williamson County and in Humphre County
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because we have successfully kept our finances right. We've kept our debt right, guys. Our debt per capita
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is $500 thereabouts per person.
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When I got here 2007, I asked Chris to help me out today. It was $1,500
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per person. We've worked hard to get our debt down.
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Dixon is through the roof. They're paying taxes on a debt that and
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they just they're just doubling down on debt every single day.
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So, I mean, there's some wording in here that if we're not real careful, it can be misread.
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And those are the things that I'm concerned with. I'm not concerned about what what Steve did at all. I'm concerned about what if that's the
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perception going forward. I'm I'm okay for us to have an expansion of infrastructure with the with the key
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aspect of it being on the ver the burden being placed on the developers and the contractors, not
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the public. There's no upside to the public to do this. I don't care what anybody says. Bring me one study, one
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study from anywhere in the state of Tennessee that reflect or a narrative, the real
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money, real dollars that shows that growth equals lower taxes.
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I've never seen it ever. It's not there. It's nowhere.
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So, if you're looking to lower your tax burden as an individual,
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you got to be careful. And and and some of that wording, this
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is not the Bible, but if everybody wants to look at it as the the guide, then I think there's some tweaks that we need
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to make. That that's my concern. Any
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other discussion? Sir, I did a little homework.
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When we unt it, it brings the the amendments in this
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case back to life. Give me some give me some time to study
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this a little bit more than than tonight. But my my initial feeling tonight, and I could be wrong, uh that
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it returns becomes active on our agenda again. So,
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we might have to deal with that. No, I think we would absolutely have to deal with Steve Motion. I'm not trying
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to Okay. I thought that I thought that was questioned a while ago. No, no, no, no, no. Steve motion is
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going to come on the table and we're going to do something with it. But the something we may do is to make a motion
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to send it back to this committee. And that's what we really wanted. We wanted an option that night. That was
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it. We asked for time to study it. Now it's back to now it's back to the table. But what
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he's saying is I mean get it off the table. Put it out there. Put it in front of us like he's
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amended it. Let's look at it. See if that's what we want. There's just my concern is there's got
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to be a venue for us to have this discussion. And and that's what I was trying to do. And and again I'm not
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trying to bring up any or all of the points that I think that we need to discuss. there there are several um
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again and my my paradigm has changed because I think there are people who look at this and say this is what we're
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going to do and if this is what we're going to do it needs to be a little more articulated
1:12:57
in my opinion we need to be a little clearer in some of the things that we have it was a little it was a little vague it was a little vague on
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well now we're want to be more specific well if we're going to be more specific we need to be very more specific
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Mr. Do you think they're right? The people that are saying that that document will be the thereof
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uh or is the thereof? I I I don't think I personally don't believe it is because I don't see that
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it being the historical uh precedence precedent. However,
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you know, we we we have done this work. I mean, we're kind of kind of at the end. So, I mean, I'm again, I'm not
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against I mean, I'm all for what Steve would want to do. I just think we need to do a few more things if that's the
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way that we're going to look at it to be very specific and to ensure that we don't hamstring future bodies. I mean,
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I'm I mean I mean, I'm going to tell you something, guys. You again, I think I became the budget chairman in 2007.
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the per capita debt. Every person in this county carried over
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$1,500 of debt. Now it's 500. That was a lot of work.
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Some people didn't like it. Some people had some problems with some of it. But here we are today. And I'm
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scared that left unchecked, we'll be right back in that again.
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because I look at all the surrounding communities. William County with all their people and
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with all of their uh sales tax still
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every person in William County carries almost $4500
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of debt on their property tax. Not sales tax, not the property tax,
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guys. So, I just think that we need to we need to be smart and if we're going
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to do this, we need to kind of tweak it a little bit. That's all. This this one's to you. Two were the two
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on the committee that are in here tonight. Whatever passes this this passes,
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there's a certain number of years before you revisit that. A minimum. Did I dream
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this somewhere? I was thinking it was three years. I I thought they said five, but I mean you can't vote on it again for five
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years. For 5 years and after 5 years, then it's back. It can be opened up again.
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Okay. But five years guys, things can go crazy in five years if we're not careful.
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In order for a the zoning resolution to change, I mean, that that's going to be a
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process. The normal process is is that whatever changes lot size allow whatever
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starts in the planning commission get kicked around take off something it comes to this body two months worth I
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mean there's going to be it's it's going it takes some time I mean technically
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you know county commissioner could bring it up you mean I think that's how the best way I think it ought to go to the planning commission first but u but so
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any any you know you asked you know that one stayed on the shelf. Yes,
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that one stayed on the shelf because there wasn't big push to
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change anything from using that. And so uh but I mean there is I mean there's a
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big process for anything to really ch the nuts and bolts of it that makes it whatever you want to call it law
1:16:35
whatever you know and so that you know you asked if you know if it was you know
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about the have to or whatever and it would have to start and go through that process before it would anything would
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ever change using that as a guide. So, but even if we after that three or five,
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whichever one it is, whomever is sitting in these chairs can still rewrite
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100%. And the state recommends that you do not what we did.
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They they they recommend you pull it off the shelf and look at it all the time. Update, you know, infrastructure maps.
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You update I mean do the whole not the whole thing probably, but just look at
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it. chapters chapters of it. Yeah. I mean that you know if there's a big change, you know, there's a big
1:17:25
change outside of our community, inside of our community, they recommend pull it off the shelf, take a look at it again
1:17:32
as things change. And that's how I mean that makes common sense to me. That's how it ought to be done, you know. Well,
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that that was my I guess my question. You know, if in Keith's words, you know,
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if this is law, which is still just a document, if this is law, but it's still
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it's law that can be changed in 3 to 5 years, no matter who's in these seats. If the same 14 of us are here, somebody
1:17:56
could change their mind. I it mean the the other one stayed as a guide that stayed on the shelf for 20
1:18:03
something years. That's just a fact. And there's a lot of counties that that's how it is. I mean, it's I mean, the thought is is
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that the planning commission pulls that off the shelf, goes through what's the priorities of the county.
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Well, and then and then they start going, "All right, how do we make that happen?" That that's that to me, that's how I
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understand the process. The you know, a as we go along, the planning commission
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pulls that off. What's the priorities of the county? It's been adopted by the legislative body. Okay. What's some
1:18:34
changes that we need to do with the zoning resolution? The big green book,
1:18:39
my big green book. What do we need to do to make that happen? And that that's why
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that that that is supposed to be pulled off shelf quicker than 20 years as things change around the community. But
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that's it's supposed to be a guide for the planning commission to use to start making to present
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changes to the legislative body. Steve had some 10 10 amendments.
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I don't remember. I think it was 10 pages of amendments with with us sitting here. We had it in
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our hand. Our constituents did not. You read it. Everything was flawless. But that's the
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reason why I wanted to table it was to give
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the people that sit on the other side of that rail Sure. a chance to
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devour it. I'll hush.
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I wouldn't mind calling on your motion, but I would like to vote on Steve's first
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commission because I mean, it's going to mot it'll be old business. Yes. And all I want all I'm asking tonight
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I'm making a motion that we do that. This is a committee vote. It'll be recommended the county. We're going to vote on that as well
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because I would want to I think it would help the public if we approve them. It would just make it easier to work on it
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in the next two months. Just make it easier for the public. They ain't think we're doing something.
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If if those pass if those pass I think it would just be easier to work out some of the other things instead of they think you know
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that we're in here. That's what my concern was was that you gonna it's gonna if we don't work on the motions at
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hand is it would appear that it's going to be very underhanded and and as if we're trying to put it
1:20:21
into a committee to to do some other stuff with that a lot of people won't show up with. Yeah. And then it's going to come back to the
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county commission and everybody's going to show up in this courtroom. So, you know, that's that's you know my biggest
1:20:31
concern. I'll be okay with the motion. you might not I think quite frankly my motion for the
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amendments all addressed everybody's concern and it was you know really there
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but I don't
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so we have circling back y'all help help the
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J my motion is for the next up to up to the next three months that the public
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safety committee be used as a committee to take up additional changes to the
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land use plan. Okay. And that was second. It was all right. Have we finished the discussion?
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No, we have not. I'll make a motion to table the motion
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that Keith just made until February. I'll second that.
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Okay. Okay.
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To table it to this committee in February. To table it until February.
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Full commission February. February. Right. Okay. Full commission.
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February. Point of point of clarification. Yes, sir. If he's making a motion to table the
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motion that I made, it's it's it it is to this committee. It's not
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Well, I want to understand. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just making sure since we're operating in this committee, we can only table it to this committee.
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Yeah, because table for this committee. You are giving me a headache.
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And I would encourage you not to to table it because again under there's no discuss. There's no
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discussion on Let's vote Beth on the motion to table. Okay. Who was the second on the motion
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to you? And you need roll call for that?
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Yes, ma'am. Okay. So, Paul, no.
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Todd Collins, no.
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Michael Thompson, yes. Matthew Barhill, yes.
1:22:48
Keith Nash, no. Steve Jarvis, yes. Dusty Jordan,
1:22:56
no. Rod Mayberry, yes. Deon Picker,
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yes. Clay Chester, no. Ricky Murray, yes.
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So, five nos. Six. Yes.
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Okay. So, Commissioner Nashes
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that the motion to table failed the motion. Commissioner Nash is on the
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table for a vote now. Any more discussion on that? I do have one
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question. The amendments that were made in the
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last meeting that were table until next until this month
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should not be affected by your motion. We can do whatever we want to do with
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them in January and whatever is left if that passes if
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if it goes a vote and it passes that doesn't change anything with Keith Keith
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motion we still have but I think you know what Steve just said if we
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keep it on the table don't key said it will be brought out but if it's shoved
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back And it wouldn't look underrehended. It wouldn't, you know, and I don't have a truck to go and even this one. Wait a
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minute. So I just clarify that that neither
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motion against the other. No. Okay.
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Okay. Is it all clear? the way we're anticipating. We're going
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to take up Commissioner Ganox's amendments
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and then and then we're going to take up Commissioner Nash's suggestion about
1:25:06
kicking it back to so prolonged
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the discussion that never ends his plan. So, all right, let's have a
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vote on Mr. Nash's. Let's do a roll call vote because I know you enjoy those the best. B.
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Okay. Float. Yes. Todd Collins. Yes.
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Mike Wayne Thomasson. No. Matthew Barnhill. No.
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Nash. Yes. Steve. Yes.
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Jordan. Yes. Ron Mayberry. Yes.
1:25:47
Deon Picker. No. Clay Chester. Yes.
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And Ricky Murray. No.
1:26:04
Sorry guys. You came up with more than 11. Hey, don't worry. It's the first time
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you've ever done that. Casey Dorton does it all the time. Don't feel bad. Todd Collins, I did not record your
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vote. Well, I I'm in favor of it. Whatever that would be, yes or no.
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That's a yes. Yeah. Don't feel bad in case you can't count it. It's You do much better job.