Opioid Board · Meeting · Jan 6, 2026 — Opioid Board

Outline

> This outline was generated by an LLM from a transcript and may contain errors or inaccuracies. Prefer the original recording when available.

The board handled routine business quickly, then spent most of the meeting on two substantive issues: a public challenge to a prior **$17,000** website/consulting expenditure, and a long, contentious discussion over how to resolve a questioned opioid-grant expenditure by Bernard Community Center. The Bernard matter centered on whether **ADA-accessible bathroom renovations** were actually approved after state/UT review, whether the contract reflected the final approved scope, and whether Bernard should repay about **$27,299.25** or satisfy that amount through in-kind use of its facility.

Other notable threads included a brief financial report showing an account balance above **$204,000**, a small returned amount from VFW, appointment of a new board member to fill a vacancy, discussion of whether the board needs a navigator/oversight position before future grants move ahead, deferral of **2026** grant applications because only two had been received, and timing for future board reappointments in **March**.

## Call to Order

- The meeting began after waiting for a quorum; staff noted **five** members were present and that was sufficient to conduct business.

## Opening Prayer and Pledge

- The board observed the Pledge of Allegiance and an opening prayer.

## Approval of Agenda

- A motion was made and approved to adopt the agenda; no substantive debate was captured.

## Approval of Minutes

- The board approved minutes from the prior meeting after a motion and second; no objections were recorded.

## Public Comments

### Public concern over prior website/consulting payment

- A member of the public said he attended the board’s December meeting and believed the board had glossed over about **$17,000** paid to **Jackson Harris** for website and related work.
- He argued the visible website appeared to be only a simple single-page site and said, based on his own IT consulting experience, it could have been built in about **four hours** with common tools.
- Using a sample consulting rate of about **$60** per hour, he said **$17,000** implied roughly **280 hours** of work and asked the board to produce a detailed breakdown showing what work was performed, how many hours were billed, and what deliverables were completed.
- He also questioned the judgment of hiring a consultant he associated with marketing/music and cannabis-industry work while the board is addressing opioid-abatement issues.
- No board response or action on the request is clearly captured in the transcript.

## Department / Official Reports

### Financial report

- The financial report stated a balance of **$204,277.83**.
- A board member asked about a line item showing **$685.06** returned from VFW, apparently asking whether it represented previously unused funds being sent back.
- The discussion was unclear, but the amount was said to be entered into the record.

## Elections, Appointments, and Confirmations

### Vacancy filled on the board

- The board addressed a vacancy created by a departing member whose term or service was no longer continuing.
- A motion was made to appoint **Mr. Deck** to the Opioid Board.
- The appointee briefly acknowledged the appointment and said he was glad to be there.
- No roll-call vote was captured, but the appointment appears to have moved forward without controversy.

## New Business / Agenda Items

### Review of navigator / oversight needs

- The board discussed the idea of a navigator or oversight function before moving ahead with more grant work.
- The discussion suggested concern that existing staff support was stretched too thin and that administration through another office was unfair to that office and its employees.
- Members indicated Budget and Finance had not yet met on the issue and that county-level approval might be needed before adding another person or formal support arrangement.
- The board did not vote on creating the position at this meeting; instead, the matter was to be explored further and likely taken up after Budget and Finance consideration.

### 2026 grant applications deferred

- The board discussed the timeline for new grant applications and said work would effectively move to **February**.
- Members said only **two** applications had been received so far: one from the **school board** and one from **United Way**.
- Because not all members were present and additional review work remained, a member suggested tabling the matter until next month.
- The board agreed to delay action; no grant awards were made at this meeting.

### Board terms / 2025–2026 board work

- Members discussed when current board terms come up and indicated that appointments or replacements would be addressed in **March**.
- The discussion implied that all positions would either continue or be reconsidered at that time.

### Bernard Community Center audit finding and proposed in-kind resolution

- The longest discussion concerned Bernard Community Center and an audit finding that about **$27,299.25** of opioid-grant spending was disallowed.
- Bernard representatives argued they had applied for **$40,000**, and that a major planned use of those funds was to make bathrooms **ADA accessible** so vulnerable people seeking recovery services could access the building.
- They said they did not know that bathroom work had supposedly been removed from the approved scope after state or UT Smart review. Their position was that the approved application should have driven the contract and that no one ever told them those renovations had been disallowed.
- They argued that if they had been clearly told the bathroom component was denied, they could have changed their work plan and redirected the money to other allowable program elements instead of proceeding and later being told they owed money back.
- County/legal discussion pushed back that, whatever the misunderstanding, the signed contract and **Exhibit A** did not expressly include the ADA bathroom renovations, and recipients had a responsibility to read the revised contract and ask questions before signing.
- The board’s attorney said the core legal issue was what was actually approved at the second tier of review and what the contract ultimately says; if the renovations were not in the final approved scope, that weakens Bernard’s argument even if communication was poor.
- Board members repeatedly acknowledged there appeared to have been a communication breakdown between the local board, staff, state review, and the grantee.
- It was also stated that if the county does not correct a disallowed expenditure, the **state could require the county to absorb the loss** and potentially jeopardize remaining opioid funds.
- Members said they had already spoken with the state/consultants and had not gotten willingness for a special waiver; that is why the idea of an **in-kind** resolution was developed.
- Bernard objected that an in-kind remedy still penalizes the organization for a mistake it says was not its fault, because free use of the building limits rental income and operating revenue.
- Bernard representatives said their proposed in-kind plan would likely require about **18 months**, with participating groups needing to use the building at least **twice a month** to work off the questioned amount.
- A board member asked how the **18-month** estimate was calculated; Bernard said it was based on the amount owed and the normal rental value of the facility.
- The county attorney cautioned that using the facility’s normal rate would be more defensible than inventing a special rate, and asked whether the schedule could be accelerated so the value could be recaptured sooner.
- A community participant identified as a long-term recovery worker/licensed therapist offered to help by volunteering opioid-related classes or educational programming at the facility, potentially aiding the in-kind plan.
- Bernard asked what would happen if not enough organizations used the building over **18 months** to reach the full **$27,299.25** value and suggested the term might need to be expanded, including talk of stretching it to as much as **three years**.
- One board member said both sides bore fault and suggested “meeting in the middle”; another suggested the county should bear the cost because the grantee was never properly told the scope had changed.
- Bernard also objected to an audit email that reportedly referenced **$50,000** from another grant source, saying that figure was wrong, unrelated to the opioid audit, and unfairly suggested the center could simply have used other grant money on the bathrooms. Bernard said that other grant was received about **two years** earlier and had its own restrictions and separate building-safety needs.
- A board member responded that the board had not accused Bernard of malicious conduct, though optics and audit language had clearly upset the organization.
- The attorney advised the board not to get stuck on drafting a detailed written explanation first; instead, he recommended deciding whether the board was willing to consider the in-kind proposal or instead demand direct repayment.
- He also warned that even if the board accepted an in-kind solution, the state could still later reject it, in which case the county would again face liability.
- Near the end of the discussion, members appeared to move toward taking up the in-kind proposal for vote or further discussion, but the transcript becomes unclear before any final motion, second, or definitive vote outcome is captured.
- The clearest outcome from the transcript is that the board continued discussing the in-kind framework rather than ordering immediate repayment at that moment; a final approved resolution is not clearly audible.

## Announcements

### Future meeting timing

- Members briefly discussed future meeting dates and indicated they normally meet on the **second Tuesday**.
- There was also discussion of a possible **February** meeting date and whether Fridays work better for some members, but no fully clear finalized schedule is captured in the transcript.

## Adjournment

- A motion to adjourn was made and the meeting was declared adjourned.
- Substantive Bernard/in-kind discussion appears in the transcript after the adjournment call, suggesting either recording overlap, informal continued discussion, or transcript disorder.

## Key figures and statistics

| Figure | Type | Context / topic |
|---|---:|---|
| **5** | Headcount | Members present; quorum was stated to exist |
| **$17,000** | Expense | Publicly questioned payment to Jackson Harris for website/related work |
| **4 hours** | Time estimate | Public commenter’s estimate to build the visible website |
| **$60/hour** | Rate | Example consulting rate used by public commenter |
| **280 hours** | Labor estimate | Hours implied by **$17,000** at **$60/hour** |
| **$204,277.83** | Balance | Opioid board financial balance reported |
| **$685.06** | Returned funds | VFW amount returned / unused funds question |
| **2026** | Year | Grant application cycle under discussion |
| **2** | Application count | Applications on hand: school board and United Way |
| **March** | Date/term marker | Board reappointments/replacements discussed for March |
| **$40,000** | Grant award/request | Bernard Community Center opioid grant amount discussed |
| **$27,299.25** | Disallowed amount / repayment target | Amount at issue in Bernard audit and in-kind proposal |
| **18 months** | Time period | Bernard’s proposed in-kind recovery period |
| **2 times per month** | Usage frequency | Minimum facility use discussed to generate in-kind credit |
| **3 years** | Proposed extended period | Longer in-kind period floated if 18 months proved insufficient |
| **$50,000** | Grant amount disputed | Other grant amount Bernard said was incorrectly cited in audit-related email |
| **2 years** | Time period | Bernard said the separate non-opioid grant had been received about two years earlier |

This outline was generated by an LLM from a transcript and may contain errors or inaccuracies. Prefer the original recording when available.

The board handled routine business quickly, then spent most of the meeting on two substantive issues: a public challenge to a prior $17,000 website/consulting expenditure, and a long, contentious discussion over how to resolve a questioned opioid-grant expenditure by Bernard Community Center. The Bernard matter centered on whether ADA-accessible bathroom renovations were actually approved after state/UT review, whether the contract reflected the final approved scope, and whether Bernard should repay about $27,299.25 or satisfy that amount through in-kind use of its facility.

Other notable threads included a brief financial report showing an account balance above $204,000, a small returned amount from VFW, appointment of a new board member to fill a vacancy, discussion of whether the board needs a navigator/oversight position before future grants move ahead, deferral of 2026 grant applications because only two had been received, and timing for future board reappointments in March.

Call to Order

The meeting began after waiting for a quorum; staff noted five members were present and that was sufficient to conduct business.

Opening Prayer and Pledge

The board observed the Pledge of Allegiance and an opening prayer.

Approval of Agenda

A motion was made and approved to adopt the agenda; no substantive debate was captured.

Approval of Minutes

The board approved minutes from the prior meeting after a motion and second; no objections were recorded.

Public Comments

Public concern over prior website/consulting payment

A member of the public said he attended the board’s December meeting and believed the board had glossed over about $17,000 paid to Jackson Harris for website and related work.
He argued the visible website appeared to be only a simple single-page site and said, based on his own IT consulting experience, it could have been built in about four hours with common tools.
Using a sample consulting rate of about $60 per hour, he said $17,000 implied roughly 280 hours of work and asked the board to produce a detailed breakdown showing what work was performed, how many hours were billed, and what deliverables were completed.
He also questioned the judgment of hiring a consultant he associated with marketing/music and cannabis-industry work while the board is addressing opioid-abatement issues.
No board response or action on the request is clearly captured in the transcript.

Department / Official Reports

Financial report

The financial report stated a balance of $204,277.83.
A board member asked about a line item showing $685.06 returned from VFW, apparently asking whether it represented previously unused funds being sent back.
The discussion was unclear, but the amount was said to be entered into the record.

Elections, Appointments, and Confirmations

Vacancy filled on the board

The board addressed a vacancy created by a departing member whose term or service was no longer continuing.
A motion was made to appoint Mr. Deck to the Opioid Board.
The appointee briefly acknowledged the appointment and said he was glad to be there.
No roll-call vote was captured, but the appointment appears to have moved forward without controversy.

New Business / Agenda Items

Review of navigator / oversight needs

The board discussed the idea of a navigator or oversight function before moving ahead with more grant work.
The discussion suggested concern that existing staff support was stretched too thin and that administration through another office was unfair to that office and its employees.
Members indicated Budget and Finance had not yet met on the issue and that county-level approval might be needed before adding another person or formal support arrangement.
The board did not vote on creating the position at this meeting; instead, the matter was to be explored further and likely taken up after Budget and Finance consideration.

2026 grant applications deferred

The board discussed the timeline for new grant applications and said work would effectively move to February.
Members said only two applications had been received so far: one from the school board and one from United Way.
Because not all members were present and additional review work remained, a member suggested tabling the matter until next month.
The board agreed to delay action; no grant awards were made at this meeting.

Board terms / 2025–2026 board work

Members discussed when current board terms come up and indicated that appointments or replacements would be addressed in March.
The discussion implied that all positions would either continue or be reconsidered at that time.

Bernard Community Center audit finding and proposed in-kind resolution

The longest discussion concerned Bernard Community Center and an audit finding that about $27,299.25 of opioid-grant spending was disallowed.
Bernard representatives argued they had applied for $40,000, and that a major planned use of those funds was to make bathrooms ADA accessible so vulnerable people seeking recovery services could access the building.
They said they did not know that bathroom work had supposedly been removed from the approved scope after state or UT Smart review. Their position was that the approved application should have driven the contract and that no one ever told them those renovations had been disallowed.
They argued that if they had been clearly told the bathroom component was denied, they could have changed their work plan and redirected the money to other allowable program elements instead of proceeding and later being told they owed money back.
County/legal discussion pushed back that, whatever the misunderstanding, the signed contract and Exhibit A did not expressly include the ADA bathroom renovations, and recipients had a responsibility to read the revised contract and ask questions before signing.
The board’s attorney said the core legal issue was what was actually approved at the second tier of review and what the contract ultimately says; if the renovations were not in the final approved scope, that weakens Bernard’s argument even if communication was poor.
Board members repeatedly acknowledged there appeared to have been a communication breakdown between the local board, staff, state review, and the grantee.
It was also stated that if the county does not correct a disallowed expenditure, the state could require the county to absorb the loss and potentially jeopardize remaining opioid funds.
Members said they had already spoken with the state/consultants and had not gotten willingness for a special waiver; that is why the idea of an in-kind resolution was developed.
Bernard objected that an in-kind remedy still penalizes the organization for a mistake it says was not its fault, because free use of the building limits rental income and operating revenue.
Bernard representatives said their proposed in-kind plan would likely require about 18 months, with participating groups needing to use the building at least twice a month to work off the questioned amount.
A board member asked how the 18-month estimate was calculated; Bernard said it was based on the amount owed and the normal rental value of the facility.
The county attorney cautioned that using the facility’s normal rate would be more defensible than inventing a special rate, and asked whether the schedule could be accelerated so the value could be recaptured sooner.
A community participant identified as a long-term recovery worker/licensed therapist offered to help by volunteering opioid-related classes or educational programming at the facility, potentially aiding the in-kind plan.
Bernard asked what would happen if not enough organizations used the building over 18 months to reach the full $27,299.25 value and suggested the term might need to be expanded, including talk of stretching it to as much as three years.
One board member said both sides bore fault and suggested “meeting in the middle”; another suggested the county should bear the cost because the grantee was never properly told the scope had changed.
Bernard also objected to an audit email that reportedly referenced $50,000 from another grant source, saying that figure was wrong, unrelated to the opioid audit, and unfairly suggested the center could simply have used other grant money on the bathrooms. Bernard said that other grant was received about two years earlier and had its own restrictions and separate building-safety needs.
A board member responded that the board had not accused Bernard of malicious conduct, though optics and audit language had clearly upset the organization.
The attorney advised the board not to get stuck on drafting a detailed written explanation first; instead, he recommended deciding whether the board was willing to consider the in-kind proposal or instead demand direct repayment.
He also warned that even if the board accepted an in-kind solution, the state could still later reject it, in which case the county would again face liability.
Near the end of the discussion, members appeared to move toward taking up the in-kind proposal for vote or further discussion, but the transcript becomes unclear before any final motion, second, or definitive vote outcome is captured.
The clearest outcome from the transcript is that the board continued discussing the in-kind framework rather than ordering immediate repayment at that moment; a final approved resolution is not clearly audible.

Announcements

Future meeting timing

Members briefly discussed future meeting dates and indicated they normally meet on the second Tuesday.
There was also discussion of a possible February meeting date and whether Fridays work better for some members, but no fully clear finalized schedule is captured in the transcript.

Adjournment

A motion to adjourn was made and the meeting was declared adjourned.
Substantive Bernard/in-kind discussion appears in the transcript after the adjournment call, suggesting either recording overlap, informal continued discussion, or transcript disorder.

Key figures and statistics

Figure	Type	Context / topic
5	Headcount	Members present; quorum was stated to exist
$17,000	Expense	Publicly questioned payment to Jackson Harris for website/related work
4 hours	Time estimate	Public commenter’s estimate to build the visible website
$60/hour	Rate	Example consulting rate used by public commenter
280 hours	Labor estimate	Hours implied by $17,000 at $60/hour
$204,277.83	Balance	Opioid board financial balance reported
$685.06	Returned funds	VFW amount returned / unused funds question
2026	Year	Grant application cycle under discussion
2	Application count	Applications on hand: school board and United Way
March	Date/term marker	Board reappointments/replacements discussed for March
$40,000	Grant award/request	Bernard Community Center opioid grant amount discussed
$27,299.25	Disallowed amount / repayment target	Amount at issue in Bernard audit and in-kind proposal
18 months	Time period	Bernard’s proposed in-kind recovery period
2 times per month	Usage frequency	Minimum facility use discussed to generate in-kind credit
3 years	Proposed extended period	Longer in-kind period floated if 18 months proved insufficient
$50,000	Grant amount disputed	Other grant amount Bernard said was incorrectly cited in audit-related email
2 years	Time period	Bernard said the separate non-opioid grant had been received about two years earlier

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I mean it's it literally I could build that in four hours with consulting the customer. Thank you. If you look at a consultancy rate and you say, what should a non-profit in Hickman County getting free money go out to and spend for a consultant, I would say, let's say $60 is on the table. So, stay with us. Still a high amount, but there's reasonable spending. $70, $80, $90, $100 an hour for a consulting day. So if we take the $17,000 and we divide that into an hourly rate, if you divide it by $60 an hour, that's 280 hours of work. [SPEAKER_01] So I would like to see something that represents $280 worth of work. Tracking down sponsors and stuff like that is a part-time job. It takes some emails and some phone calls. It isn't something that requires a lot of hours. [SPEAKER_00] I don't know who this Jackson Harris is. But if the search that I found, a marketing guy related to the music industry and stuff like that in Nashville, he's also related to the cannabis industry. So again, where's the wisdom in spending money on somebody who's in the cannabis industry? when this is an opioid fight. So anyway, I'm I have sent a few emails trying to get some answers. I haven't got any responses yet be following up and trying to get some answers on that. What I would like to have is a detailed break down. how many hours were spent. what was accomplished with those hours for that for that. money. So that's that. That's all I have to say. Thank you. [SPEAKER_08] All right. The comment next is financial. Thank you. Thank you. of $204,277. dollars and 83 cents. [SPEAKER_05] entry, the VFW return to phone. $685.06. Was that the funds that weren't used at the time? [SPEAKER_09] end of the video. It's shit. I haven't got that part yet, but it's shit. Thank you. We're good. All right. Thank you. [SPEAKER_13] We'll put it in the record. I'm a mayor. [SPEAKER_14] I want to hit in the corner. We know. [SPEAKER_02] intended that for us. [SPEAKER_14] His he's going to be Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. that we've covered today. However, since his time is not here, we have a vacancy. I'll try to get him back. Thank you. ahead and point Mr. Deck to the opioid board. Thank you. [SPEAKER_05] I'm glad to be here. [SPEAKER_02] Did you put your email? Can't find it. done. and And that's it. That's my leash. It's so funny. Okay. [SPEAKER_07] Yeah. [SPEAKER_14] Yeah. So now I'm going to... moving forward as of right now. [SPEAKER_05] Thank you. Peace. I miss Jim, it's nice to see him. that in there. Jim. [SPEAKER_14] No, not yet, not yet. What, what, what? Come here. [SPEAKER_13] Oh, I don't know. Next, we will... Thank you for your time. Thank you. tears. next. All right. All right. Next is. is review of the Navigator Pro. the mayor. Thank you for watching. [SPEAKER_14] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Crystal and I was talking about this a little bit. bit. I want to do what this board is. that I do. If you guys have any questions... navigator to oversee. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. and we can work it back. I Okay, great. from under your office is now due in court. because it's unfair to her, first of all, and her employees. of its sort. I really feel that. So, I think we've got a lot of work to do. We're just going to have to come up with a solution, whether it's somebody or not. [SPEAKER_08] But that's the way it is. I'm looking at it, so, we'll see. [SPEAKER_14] Do you have a navigator? future endeavors. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. I had no vote on this board. So. [SPEAKER_05] Did we have any sense of what the county commission? another person? [SPEAKER_14] I do not have any suits on me. [SPEAKER_09] No, because the budget finance hasn't met since... Right. [SPEAKER_14] next Monday. [SPEAKER_08] OK. That's what we was having the issue with this meeting being moved to tonight. We didn't have one, so we didn't have one. [SPEAKER_13] We have to vote on it before you can go in front of there, or can you just go in front of there and then we'll vote on it? All right. [SPEAKER_05] Okay, we don't need to go now. All right. [SPEAKER_03] Because he's just going. on that, just explore it. Yeah, yes. [SPEAKER_13] That works. Do it again. And then we do the other side. Any other comments from the moderator? None? Are we adjourned? Thank you. Thank you. We're adjourned. Let's review it. timeline for 2018. grant applications. [SPEAKER_05] We're just doing that in February. because, you know, of the vaccine. or what have you, I think I'm right. about that crystal but [SPEAKER_03] themselves. So we only have two. and to school, to school, in the school. yet. Is there still? in the middle of their fight. in a united way, I don't think that's going to happen. of theirs as well. [SPEAKER_08] So, we're going to go ahead and get started. [SPEAKER_14] Thank you. to continue on it. to february.com. request. Oh, I can't see it. What would it be like? [SPEAKER_05] last year's conference. Thank you. That's all it is. Thank you. Thank you. Right now we only have two. and that's the school board and United Way. [SPEAKER_13] I think being, we don't have everybody. everybody here. We should table until next month. Thank you. [SPEAKER_05] Crystal was going to do it anyway. [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. [SPEAKER_05] No. [SPEAKER_13] OK. We'll do it. The next one was further work of the 2025 board. [SPEAKER_05] I wasn't sure when we were going to do this. meeting. When was our term again? March. March, okay. [SPEAKER_14] Do we have any questions? We can set that if you want to. If there's more, we'll just go ahead and set it. We may, or whenever that will take place, that'll be fine. I don't know what time it's being due. [SPEAKER_05] Well, everybody's on it. [SPEAKER_13] and everybody. or replaced so we'll do that in March Okay. Okay. [SPEAKER_05] Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. No, man, I still look at my calendar here in January, February. [SPEAKER_13] All right, you can't do it. Yes. Do we want to do that? Excuse me. We don't want to do that before or after. after the February meeting. [SPEAKER_05] We'll be back. as quarterly reports do, that you would pay attention to. [SPEAKER_09] March, so probably around mid-April. No, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter? Has anybody- Thank you. Thank you. [SPEAKER_13] Bye-bye. Bye-bye. in February. make it I hear people like Friday's a lot better [SPEAKER_01] Thank you. [SPEAKER_13] What do you think, either the 6th or the 13th? [SPEAKER_04] We only meet the second Tuesday. [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. I'm going to do that on our meeting night. I mean, I would. [SPEAKER_08] OK, we'll do it on tape. we're doing it. 8th and 10th. [SPEAKER_05] Hey, come on in. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. [SPEAKER_13] So, I guess we will bump into it. into a new business. We've got to do a review of that. kind reenactment. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for watching! Yes. Thank you. You're welcome. Thanks for sharing. Yes. Thanks a lot. And I appreciate it. Thanks. Okay. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Okay. Bye-bye. Thanks for watching. Thank you. Thanks for watching! [SPEAKER_04] Yes, we are seeing... and I love you. Peace. Thank you. Thank you. Members, Amy Springer. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thanks. [SPEAKER_05] of the arcade. attorney has seen. And thank you. Again, we've also had... I have a project. proposal from Bernard Community College. from Bennard Community College. And I'll see you next time. states that this work plan is further contingent on a response. [SPEAKER_04] of the audit findings. All right. Thank you. [SPEAKER_05] Thank you very much. We can't go into exactly. session with their candidates. attorney, if you want to. which would mean that... can have it. [SPEAKER_11] way you know there's there's not really any litigation. It's probably best just. to discuss. it publicly. Thanks for watching. Thank you. Bye-bye. I'll see you next time. Thank you for watching. Thanks for watching! [SPEAKER_04] you soon, have a sound. Thanks. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_07] contract Thank you. which would be out. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. are going to be written here. [SPEAKER_05] I really don't know how to explain it, ma'am. understanding from Mr. Enders. and Ms. Gerald was I did ask for the agent. bathrooms. Thank you. That application was then sent to... initiative and it's worth it. Thank you for your time. Thank you. So the contract was then drafted Contract is draft as the exhibit A, what was approved in the amount. and on that exhibit A. Okay. does not approve the battle. [SPEAKER_07] So when the abolition, that we sit in. Thank you for watching! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We did not know that the application was going to work. was not appropriate for the ADA to do that. bathrooms. if you know that. [SPEAKER_11] Well, the Exhibit A outlines what is the scope of work under the contract. That was not included in the Exhibit A, but. Bernard signed the contract. Okay. [SPEAKER_07] We are. We'll see you next time. We are not denying it. that we signed the contract. And we also are willing, we can admit that. Thank you very much. about works of art. was not in the contract again. We did not know. at the ADA bathroom. had been removed from the approved application. that we had known that. we certainly would not have moved forward. We didn't set out to do something deceitful or to do something wrong. And another thing is... what we don't understand here. Take care. Bye-bye. All we knew is that we had a program. change. We've got a program change. from safe haven. questions. Thank you. Safe Haven was about showers. stories. Thank you. The ADA Accessible Bathrooms was about removing barriers. everybody that needed ADA accessibility, that was a vulnerable member of the opioid community, they would have access to the bill. of the showers. And that program, Safe Haven, was removed or whatever. All right. We didn't, we know nothing about the ADA bathrooms being removed. And then also, this exhibit A. Thanks. This is today in the contract. All right. Hope you had a big, big council's guidelines. that the application becomes an integral part of the contract and it guides the work of the contract and it's supposed to be laid out, the activities of our work scope is nowhere. and exhibit that. under the scope of work that you have attached to our college. the ADA accessible. uh, uh, uh, bathrooms. it's allowed or whatever, why were we not told that? Okay. until we get to an audit to find out that, oh. I hope you guys upgraded your bathroom. Thank you very much. I mean, when the application. who was supposed to let us know that? How else are we supposed to know? there. [SPEAKER_11] up. Thank you. Thank you. it. [SPEAKER_05] the audit. [SPEAKER_11] So we didn't have a state official doing the op. of people's. [SPEAKER_05] Yes and no. We've had consultants. We've had Trevor Henderson. and their change. Thank you very much. In both, we've spent eight hours. added it up on these audits all the time. possibly to the end at this point. and that it's disallowed. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Well, number one, it's disallowed. because it's and we're going to do that. when all of these applications. for making this happen. were sent to UT Smart. I can't say that Channing... [SPEAKER_00] I don't know, that was more crystal than us. Yes, I think she was the one that I worked with on the deal. [SPEAKER_08] That's the reason why it was taken out of the scope. with AI. Yeah. [SPEAKER_11] Yeah, yeah Now we, now the board, we didn't have really, we didn't have. Oh didn't, you know, you drafted the contract. obviously, but if that's the case. in the contract. [SPEAKER_05] It wasn't the country. Okay. [SPEAKER_07] And we're saying that we did not know, it was not up to us. a part of our scope of work. How was we supposed to know that? That's important. I'm sorry, if the application was approved. That information was on the application. And if that information I asked for it to the contract, and we're thinking. and we'll see you next time. Thank you for watching. Okay. [SPEAKER_05] Thank you. [SPEAKER_07] And, and, and, and, and we all know that. Okay. [SPEAKER_11] So, when we say the application was submitted at... What you. So, I'm going to go ahead and close out this video. Thank you for watching. I'll see you next time. Bye-bye. What is the approval process for the application? application. [SPEAKER_05] for for folks. [SPEAKER_11] an application. some of the applications. Thank you. did not approve. I'm at a loss for words. I think it's one of them. [SPEAKER_00] No. No? I don't know. but the ones that this board approved. comfortable. Yes. at the end. applications had to go to the state. Tennessee. [SPEAKER_04] their review. UTSmart. And then it came back. [SPEAKER_08] Yes and no. Some things were approved, some things weren't. [SPEAKER_11] those contracts. And we've got correspondence to that effect. [SPEAKER_05] That would be with Miss Crystal. [SPEAKER_09] understanding it. ask. [SPEAKER_05] It wasn't just Bernard, there were several organizations. that did not meet the full amount that they asked for. for. So after they were awarded... a certain amount of work. You teamed up smart and had me reach out. Cheers! Okay, okay, this is the amount that I need. Have a great day. this work plan. showing that you can make it work. organization. [SPEAKER_09] and they all submitted. And I think it may have been a misunderstanding between Bernard and I. Thank you for your time. us because I didn't see anything attached to the application. [SPEAKER_08] didn't show anything about the area. Thank you. Thank you. [SPEAKER_09] Thank you. I didn't go into detail with any of the organizations. Congratulations. Bye. It took several months to go through these contracts. I know a lot of y'all have probably heard from me 10 times during this process. [SPEAKER_00] applications and make the contract special. it's important. because I wanted to make sure everybody reviewed them enough. I understand that. I did not go through everything. every opportunity. let them read it or let their Attorney Brigitte O'Hara. [SPEAKER_11] So in Bernard's application, did they ask for more than $40,000? No, I don't remember [SPEAKER_07] That's what's worrying them. And that's what we're going to do. I was just getting ready to say. Thank you. Thank you. work plan to upgrade a bathroom. was taken off of my application was denied, then why wasn't we told that, and why didn't the money change? We were moving forward. after we got the approval, the word that I applied for. that the upgrades that was in the application. Thank you. And it was. I'm saying that, I'm... It's not an appropriate use of opioid funds. how this is going to work. and making those bathrooms ADA accessible, it directly relates to strategy E2. Thank you. is a direct correlation to strategy. that you eat too. Thank you. and that E2 is next in line. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. [SPEAKER_11] It says E2, expand warm handoff services. transition to recovery. Okay. [SPEAKER_04] like, close. Thank you. [SPEAKER_07] It's like removing barriers. that impedes access to where these recovery programs are. services I've been before. That's good, too. [SPEAKER_11] So Crystal, when you received the feedback from the board. smart... uh... group. regarding Thank you. aspects of Bernard's application. Thank you. specific in what they Thank you. [SPEAKER_09] There was a spreadsheet that labeled out. Thank you. on there and I don't know this is I think I don't think this was the quarterly review, I don't think this one was the... but I do remember that. them mention it in the app. even in the meetings when we were going through those on that day. [SPEAKER_08] And if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me. I can make my move or... I just remember there were several. application. They were asking a lot of questions and they were there was a lot of suggestions on that approval. Like I said, I didn't go through in a month. Directly from the heart. [SPEAKER_07] Yeah. other than the committee meetings. and the ADA accessible. upgrades were not approved. That's the point. that I'm trying to make. Whether you're. We were going by the work scope that's listed in our application. because the guideline says that the approved application is what drives the content. track. Thank you. specifics of the application. There's no specific reason. in this contract. that makes no brain in sign, and sure. she And we all should have read it, but we overlooked it. just feeling, knowing that if we had been approved, why would we need the programs and services that we're doing? that weren't given their burnout, we don't charge anybody to come in and hold their programs in their service. It's awesome. Our number one, our major expense was to make that building accessible. for people with ADA disabilities. So why would we- need $40,000 to just hold, hold some. Go Rams. [SPEAKER_09] Sure, ma'am. I, like I said, I was just going by the contract. [SPEAKER_07] I didn't go by the evidence. application and make sure they qualify. what the Opioid Abatement Council's guidelines said. that the contract. is that as an integral, I mean, the application. is an integral part of the contract, and it's what drives the contract. I worked so with nowhere in that contract. All right. [SPEAKER_11] Well, you know, when they say the approved application. It is integral to the contract The question is, what was the approved application? and and if the approved application did not include. renovate. you know, that wouldn't have been. covered by the guidelines. That's to say it's integral. And you really would need to look at what actually got approved in the application. [SPEAKER_08] Thank you. Thank you. [SPEAKER_11] confusion here, and I understand what you're saying. is that, you know, maybe there wasn't. God bless you. Amen. Amen. Kent. Bye. that said. this is what you submitted, this is what got approved. And so then. the correct. got put in the contract. you know, I can see where. in the event there wasn't that feedback. Now that being said. You know, the contract is the contract, but. What would the state say? I can look into this directly, but. What would the state say in terms of... their remedy. is the state the enforcement mechanism here that comes in and says. if it got spent on something that wasn't worth it. is not an approved element. the position the state takes. [SPEAKER_09] The UT. initiative is there to help us stay in compliance with the state. [SPEAKER_08] They tried to make... a case. that they didn't see anyway. they can make a case. We're going to go to the next slide. Thank you. where this would fall under this. that we've been having. or because of the miscommunication. I hope your award was... been to the in-kind repayment. [SPEAKER_11] Okay. [SPEAKER_05] in our last meeting. Three, four. of how to... just because it's just a brand new car. Thank you. So. So we've already voted on that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [SPEAKER_11] You Yeah, and so, are you aware of what actions? In other words, if we as the Opioid Board for Hickman County. were not to require either the in-kind or the refund. what would the state do? [SPEAKER_09] then Hickman County's on him for the money. But that's it. Okay. [SPEAKER_11] Okay. [SPEAKER_08] Because there is several. [SPEAKER_05] and the state. So, they can take... take away our money that we have left. and we lose. [SPEAKER_02] not have an appeal process. Yeah, thank you to Sue. [SPEAKER_05] I guess but I don't there's no I know of. [SPEAKER_07] So why would the state super not? Bernhardt didn't know that our application wasn't approved. You You Thank you. [SPEAKER_11] Well, they would look at it as the overall program integrity. No, I'm not going to take your call. [SPEAKER_08] Can't take the call right now. Thank you. Thank you. [SPEAKER_11] You know, so they would do it because they'd say. We need to be consistent across. the state with the organizations that. Thank you. Have a great day. we become aware of that. you know, spent funds in a way that. and the shouldn't have and Uh, so, uh, You know, it's... I can't really speak for the state, I'm not aware of that. [SPEAKER_08] you know, in their shoes, but. they'd think it through. Thank you. Bye-bye. So I think that the you know, the outline that you guys. already, which is in kind. What, how would that, has that been fleshed out? I know it was mentioned here. And the end. [SPEAKER_11] but you know, how would you do that? How would you value it? Bye. [SPEAKER_05] what we just got to you. Bye! Maybe you win this one. act well with the holidays. [SPEAKER_00] And so I think this is the first time that everybody's seen the proposal. We have not talked or flushed it out. We have not. because this is our first time with mitts. but also, too, it does say it's contingent on a response. as well. I don't know if they want us to flush this out tonight or not. I don't know. Okay. Thank you. [SPEAKER_11] Okay. Okay. Thank you. So from the standpoint of a response. to the letter. Are you looking for? board to basically detail why this decision is made and why they're taking the position they're taking. You know because I think we're having that discussion Thank you. Thank you. You know, I don't know whether the board, what the board. prefers to do, but... Okay. Yeah. You know, it seems like this is getting to me. Sorry. [SPEAKER_07] Oh, let me see. Thank you very much. It seems like that what I'm hearing is that. Thank you. And we'll see you next time. We've got a response that's... But our application had been approved. But if that happens, it can't be changed. I if the scope of work on that application had been. change. Bye. We didn't get that information. it. So moving forward with what we had on an application that was approved, we're being penalized now. that we're now hearing that we were not supposed to do. And we didn't know that until after we're just hearing that after the work has been done. Yeah. Thanks. [SPEAKER_11] Thanks. Bye. Yeah, and I guess the only thing they would say is we didn't approve it. And it's, it's a matter of. Love. you know, a meeting of the minds after that, I guess. you know, where... [SPEAKER_07] Well, why wasn't we told then? Why were we not informed that our application, the scope of work that we put in that application... route. And we only ask for $40,000. And the majority, the biggest part of that money was gonna be used to upgrade those bathrooms to remove access barriers. We could have not done that. We could have used some money for that. with drug pouches and the other. that we had to use it for and give that amount back. But But now we're being told. that we are gonna have to give that money back anyway and open up this building. for in-kind uses, which is going to require up to about 18 months. these different services and if they. They've got to come in at least twice a month. for the next 18 months in order to... to recapture the amount of ballpark figure $27,000. [SPEAKER_08] Hey, can I play it? [SPEAKER_06] Like it. saying it was approved, so thank you. So when they come in front of the board, the board says... right, but then at that point. and the state is the one. did that. [SPEAKER_09] and don't remember if we have got recommendations. [SPEAKER_05] on it or not, oh, I just, okay. Because we, that night, when we... Thank you. They all win. [SPEAKER_09] after that and in the future. and the state paid back. that were approved and different things that were not. approved. [SPEAKER_06] And if I remember correctly, directly. Thank you. Also, even after what the state approved. was sent to to be changes made because of the insurance purpose. surface with the same technique. Right. So... I know I know that that's but that's what I'm saying is that even after when after the state reviewed it. and they were sent what the state reviewed. No, we don't. and it went, or. That's all I have for you today. Thank you. Thank you. They had to take that. and their insurance company. not going to injure y'all for this. No. [SPEAKER_07] Thank you. We didn't get anything. thing. after the state made any approval or decision. [SPEAKER_09] from you right now. recommendations from the state. [SPEAKER_07] Thank you. [SPEAKER_11] Who wrote the Exhibit A Scope Award? [SPEAKER_09] Thank you very much. That one was from... [SPEAKER_07] Thanks for watching! Thanks for watching! Thank you. Where is the application? But the part of the application... and stay getting better. disallowed, it's disemployment. Where is that application and where is that information from the state to let Bernard know that, no, you guys have not been approved? Thank you very much. information. Thank you. Thank you. I think that's it. [SPEAKER_09] Exhibit A was written by... was based off of the work plan that was attached, right? Bernard. Thank you. application as well. [SPEAKER_11] So you think that the... the smart. Cool. Thank you. You're welcome. crafted the scope of work. [SPEAKER_09] I believe so. Bye-bye. it was based off of the attached work. plan. in the application. [SPEAKER_11] Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for watching! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [SPEAKER_06] And I think what I was trying to clarify is... Yes. Yes, the board, when we went over the application with Bernard, approved that. But at the end of the day, the board did not have the final say, the state did. [SPEAKER_00] I understand y'all are saying y'all did not hear from the state. But I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_06] I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_07] I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_06] I'm just saying. I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_07] I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. [SPEAKER_06] I'm just saying. try to clarify that, like. You were approved at one level of it, but there was a whole nother level. Oh, sorry. [SPEAKER_07] How are we supposed to build it? [SPEAKER_06] And we'll see you next time. [SPEAKER_07] Guys. I'll show you this one, right there. [SPEAKER_06] And I don't know at that point. and I'll see you next time. [SPEAKER_07] And then we come out here, we'll do it again. We did not do anything wrong. We had no intention of doing that. of doing anything wrong. We move forward. based on our understanding. of what has been approved. When we get to this audit and find out, you didn't follow the contract. What is she talking about? Thank you very much. The way we see it, the contract didn't follow the scope of work on our application. Now you're telling us that the scope of work. that was in our application wasn't approved, nobody ever told Bernard. Did y'all get that information? information. [SPEAKER_05] And there you have it. I'm recovering. It's over. We can sit here and debate this for a long time tonight, but what would you like for us to do? Thank you, ma'am. Do you want us to consider your in-kind application, or do you not want to? want us to consider your in-contact. [SPEAKER_07] Oh, if we want to know why we were not told. that scope of work on that application. was not approved, so we could have made adjustments in our local work. [SPEAKER_05] So you want us to answer your letter in writing. and not reviewed. your impact proposal tonight. Is that what you're saying? Can I speak? [SPEAKER_01] Go ahead. I'm watching. Thank you. of the umpire talks. So I'm going to... of the authors of the letter. I am new to the board. after the fact. I'm sorry. I'm sorry if I'm offending you. [SPEAKER_05] You're not. I've got a bad rash. I apologize. But as you know, I'm trying to get this together. I've spent a lot of time working with Ray and hoping that... and Mary. I have to really respect that. I know where their heart is when it comes. [SPEAKER_01] historical book that was published. list. Thank you. aligns a lot of good people in the world. of this county and this community. That's it. Thank you. that something was wrong. application my disconnect and that $40,000 was given to. organization, there was really, and no notice was given. There's really no way for the organization to say, oh, well, we got all this money. but we can't do the bathrooms. There was a misunderstanding. here. Thank you. And when we look at this in-kind proposal. As a new member of the board, I'm not opposed to doing an in-kind repayment if that's what you want. but in-kind repayment also costs. that we can't right now. rent out that space and earn an income. from it. So... So there's multiple factors to consider here, and I'm not going to go through all of them. I just didn't know what to do. There has to be a fair resolution. to all. Thank you. you know, these people have a lot of and to the end. Thank you. for the community too. creating programs that are important. and something like this. staking to the organization. So how do we reconcile an application was made, a certain amount was requested, that amount was then returned to the center saying, here you go. But then there was some. Thank you. That's all for this video. Thanks for watching. I'll see you next time. Bye. that said, now this money is not approved. And then that information was never communicated back to the organization. I feel like there were a lot of missteps. We are all human. Every single one of us has missed something. And, um, bye. how do we come to a fair resolution? So, thank you. saying you now owe us $27,000 because of you. something didn't happen. [SPEAKER_11] Well, I think the... Maybe you've already done this, but. EDITED-JR-DAL-DQ you know, whoever the entity is that. did the second tier approvals. approval. elements of the application work plan. [SPEAKER_00] and I'll see you next time. [SPEAKER_11] Um, you know. have we gone back to them and said, that You So, thank you. entity that received the funding. you know, sales thing. they ADA-compliant bathroom. That's what you would say. You thought that way. was approved. you know, and would they say... Thank you. Okay, we work. you know, and I doubt it, but would they say... We weren't good enough about informing Bernard. uh, even though we changed the. of work that went into the contract and Bernard should have read that and should have understood that. you know, it doesn't include the ADA compliant bathroom. Bye. Or would they say you know, we made. Thank you. maybe didn't do as good a job as we should have here in communicating this. and we're gonna let this go. And that conversation might be worth having. They may say, no, we're not. Thank you very much. Bye-bye. [SPEAKER_05] You can't let this go. Well, we've already had that conversation. [SPEAKER_11] Okay. [SPEAKER_08] And that story is why. the Mr. Fitzgerald. [SPEAKER_05] and Mr. Hinton. had the idea of the in-kind contribution. person. Thank you. And I will see you at the next meeting. Thank you. dollars. Thank you. because that was the only other option that was required. [SPEAKER_08] of the pain with a 27 day. Yeah. [SPEAKER_05] channel. Yeah. [SPEAKER_11] You know, and again, I represent the county and the contract. Thank you very much. that saw into 10-4. It says what it says. Thank you. Thank you. from that standpoint. you'd really be looking at. or you know, kind of a special. dispensation from the state, and you've said you've already talked with that. [SPEAKER_06] They're not open to that. And, I mean, I think the way we understood it. with Mr. Henderson. the stem. County. There is no discussion. gets involved at that level. There is no in-kind adjustment offered, all of this, at this point. Bye. or the county has to eat it. That's it. at that point. [SPEAKER_11] So that's why we're trying to come up with a solution before the state steps in. Thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah, well, he has this. Cheers. [SPEAKER_07] the county should have to pay the money because they didn't tell us. So. Let me ask you a question. [SPEAKER_12] I think this could be the potential hiccup that everybody's having. on in the year. And, there you go. but that ain't even the scope of work. It's EE 10. I don't know if you have a copy of that. Yeah, I do [SPEAKER_11] as including supportive housing. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you. And I think that's That's what set the chain to move in. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_12] in the place that we're dealing with now, [SPEAKER_08] because if you had that sort of housing. [SPEAKER_00] with everything. but because of that support of housing. no longer on the table. is [SPEAKER_12] over. [SPEAKER_11] Well, it says, it says, the project meets the spending requirements of the opioid litigation by addressing the primary strategy of education, training, recovery, support. primary prevention, specifically within the approved uses. of the original opioid settlement. This project addresses the following EE10 questions. provide support for children's services. fund additional positions. including supportive housing and other residential services. Now, are you saying, Joey, that supportive housing is? an ADA-compliant bathroom at the facility, or is it? And that's what I'm trying to get clarification on. [SPEAKER_12] Trust me, there's some lawyers in the room. They're smarter than me, but supportive housing would be an emergency housing for children. I think it would. originally what you guys had set out to do. [SPEAKER_07] Change. Thank you very much. Thank you. because on this voice and. We need to change it. I- We would not. 15-year insurance if you have one. people staying overnight at the center. So we took that program off. and replaced it with another program. of the Safe Haven program. that was in our scope of work was Andy's shower. I shower, I do a bath, I do a shower, I do a bath. It had nothing to do with. that program change, removing. We didn't remove. the need for ADA accessibility. Baffled. We'll see you next time. what I'm saying. No, no, I see exactly what you're saying. We have an application. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Why is this even happening? still on this exhibit, talking about. housing. [SPEAKER_12] And that's where I'm at. [SPEAKER_11] Yeah, well, then I would say in that, you know. Thank you. What was that argument made to the state? in terms of you know, EE10 in the scope of work as part of the contract. you know, contemplates and thinks. renovation of bathroom facilities at the center. okay, and what would they say? But, so I think that. Thank you. from the county standpoint, obviously, we could. But with the state if they came after us and say. You know, we're not going to... Thank you. Thank you very much. Have a good one. going to pay for them. because... we'd have to be able to say because. scope of work that you all approve. clearly includes and I don't think it does, but We'd have to say it clearly includes the renovation of the bathroom facility. And that was. God bless you. covered by this Supportive Housing and Other Residential Services. services. And, I mean, we can go back and make that argument to them. and see what happens. Um, but, um... You know, it's, it's. It's a campaign. where I think this highlights. going forward we need to be a lot more communicative and you know, in these and maybe more oversight up front, like the navigator. situation you're talking about. you know, a, a, uh, Bye. definitive answer to this. because it, you know, if I were just looking at this. Thank you for joining us. know as a lawyer and and saying what does the contract say I'd say I don't see ADA. Bathroom. here. Uh, you know, maybe I don't understand. you know, what some of this language is. Thank you very much. Thank you. you know, the type of work that you've got to do on behalf of the community. addiction related complications. So, I guess what I'm saying is, you know, about the only thing I can see is more discussion with the state. on the part of this board. and... you know, then make a final decision as to which way to go. [SPEAKER_13] we've done that, have we not done that? pretty hard. I made sure I talked to him because I was being very careful. I was arguing both ways, I was like arguing and trying to... He said there was a problem. So then why is the county just, the county, if whoever had the responsibility. be. Thank you. [SPEAKER_07] that there are gonna be changes to our application. And we didn't get that information. Appreciate it. And you guys based the contract off of the information that you had. But now, because we didn't get the information. we're being penalized because we move forward with what we have. [SPEAKER_12] The county should pay the $27,000. comments. Bye. [SPEAKER_08] Bye. [SPEAKER_12] I think we're both at fault. And I think we've accomplished that. [SPEAKER_07] So let's just split it down in half with the end time use. [SPEAKER_12] We put the cart in front of the horse, and we were trying to get this money pushed to the community. And to get it to work and... Like now, we've learned we need to slow this thing down a little bit. sure everything's going the direction it's going. [SPEAKER_07] So what do we, what does that organization... Why do we have to be penalized? Because there was a lack of communication. We had no information to communicate to the board. It was the board's responsibility to communicate to us. Thank you. [SPEAKER_11] And in fairness, it was. Bernard's responsibility to read the Revised. and raise questions. at that point in time. And if you didn't do that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in the legal world, that could be fatal to your argument. Okay, so we're both at five. [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. [SPEAKER_11] What? Anything else? Honestly, we have no idea the target, they'll lead their way. I'm just gonna, the cat. for it, so. Thank you. [SPEAKER_06] Thank you. And I do feel like where you're saying kind of meat in the middle, I know it looks like a lot. But I feel like us as a board with offering an in kind. is kind of meeting in the middle, like. Thank you. [SPEAKER_00] Henderson said he's hoping that that'll satisfy the state, like... [SPEAKER_06] You know, like, we're trying to be prepared that when the state comes, this is what we can say, this is what we've done. We feel like that's kind of to where nobody has to pay or come out of pocket $27,000. Yes, sir. No, sir. Court remanded. [SPEAKER_05] Very nice. [SPEAKER_07] Does it stay? No. So, thank you. did not get the information the state is going on. going to be basing their information on the fact that the contract. Okay. Is that what you're saying? [SPEAKER_12] Yes. They're going to feel like you all were notified because in the contract it wasn't there and it was signed. And that's what the state officials do. They'll just go, hey, here's the contract. But y'all know better than that. Y'all know we wasn't informed. [SPEAKER_07] Well, we use common sense. They don't use common sense. Y'all know better than that. [SPEAKER_12] And we come into this audit and we're getting attacked. [SPEAKER_07] And this audit like we did something deceitful and wrong and we never did. And another thing about this audit. And we come into this audit, and we're getting attacked. And this audit like we did something deceitful and wrong. We never did it. And another thing about this audit. the audit decision that we got. The email. stating what your decision was and the part that you were in. I spoke about the in-kind youth. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Also, the odd results to exceed. Okay. Thank you. Bye. Bernard received $50,000. from the House Health Council. Number one, that amount is incorrect. And number two, why was that even a part of the opioid audits? Thank you for your attention. about our organization. [SPEAKER_08] Thank you for your attention. [SPEAKER_05] How much did Bernard pay? ever seen. [SPEAKER_07] while we discussing what we received from another grant award, as if what we received was not used correctly, or it was some kind of implication that, oh, we could have taken that money and upgraded the bathrooms. Whoever reported that information, we're talking about a building that's over 50-something years old. They did not know what the safety issues were in that building, what needed to be upgraded, what needed to be done. And to bring that up and to apply that, oh, That money could have been used to upgrade the bathrooms, as if we just got that money a few months ago. That grant came through two years ago. there were multiple safety issues. in that field that had to be addressed. I can't wait to see it. But the question is, why didn't you all allow that? information about another organization that we receive money from be part of the audit discussion. Thank you for your question. The opioid war is out of this country. and put it out there on the email for everybody. talk about other organizations' grants that they have received. I can't wait. We have not been there. [SPEAKER_06] Personally, I can speak for myself. And I know that multiple times in the conversation. I've not read the article that was in the paper. [SPEAKER_00] I did read the email, but I'm saying. [SPEAKER_06] and I'll see you in the next one. It was clearly said multiple times, I think, to everybody that went in front of us. We do not thank anybody. and any malicious acts. [SPEAKER_07] Guys, put your hands down. [SPEAKER_11] the way it read. [SPEAKER_07] We got I.A. shot off. [SPEAKER_06] But we also. [SPEAKER_11] But they don't control what that newspaper does. I don't know how people do it. [SPEAKER_06] I didn't read it. I did not read the article. [SPEAKER_07] I don't know. But I took the information about another grant award. It wasn't in the newspaper. It was in the. Opioid decision email that was sent to multiple uh, recipient. Thanks. It was a list of people. [SPEAKER_13] That's the only thing I remember about that at the ground level. That was the schedule. came up with an idea. brand and that way you could use that. [SPEAKER_11] Right, right. Something that's a section E and that would balance. What? [SPEAKER_07] What now? [SPEAKER_11] And is that grant money gone? Thank you. Thank you. [SPEAKER_07] Thank you. the years ago it's been gone. [SPEAKER_13] Patient's Husband 2 Yeah, it was just an idea to be able to balance. Patient's Husband 3 Yeah. So, the person who brought it up reported that we got [SPEAKER_07] we have received, they reported $50,000 as if we just got it. Thank you. six, what, three months ago. as if they're going to make a decision as to how we could use it. [SPEAKER_13] That was a nice one. that we're trying to figure out. For more information, visit www.FEMA.gov [SPEAKER_07] Well, that, that was, that was ridiculous. Thank you, that's it. Because that money, just like you were talking about right now, this money has uses and guidelines. That money also had uses and guidelines. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_05] So, again, the question is, do you want... and not take up again to the Republican Party. [SPEAKER_01] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Is that a yes or a no? We want some kind of a fair result. Resolution to this organization, and so. And we are willing to go forward. [SPEAKER_05] Do you want us to take up the in-kind proposal tonight? [SPEAKER_00] Thank you for your time and good night. Okay, take care of what you do. [SPEAKER_06] vote that if we agree. to it or not. Bye! We would look over it, discuss it, and then we would vote if, yes, we're good with what y'all propose. Thank you very much. because that's what, I mean, with him actually. What do you mean? [SPEAKER_05] Because your proposal says. is contingent upon it. us as the board responding to your. [SPEAKER_01] Well, the whole point was that, and the reason we were, we were. Thank you, us. We love you. We were all of a sudden told, hey, by the way, that was not appropriate. $27,000. There was no recourse for us. and there was no way for us to say it. This is the first time. learning of this, the smart initiative part. of it? Why was Bernard not a part of this market? Thank you very much. Have a great week. Okay. It's the $40,000. and given to us. [SPEAKER_08] then why wouldn't you? [SPEAKER_01] Somebody should have come back somewhere along the line. [SPEAKER_05] But we're keep going around and around and around in circles. [SPEAKER_06] That's right. And she still haven't got. And I do want to stop you where you're saying, okay, so Ms. Hoberna and Ms. Mary did appear in front of Mr. Henry. [SPEAKER_05] They brought in pictures of the renovations to the bathroom. This was all discussed with the state, Mr. Henderson, while he was here. [SPEAKER_00] You were not in there? Yes. It was in question. They did know that there was a possibility. But because. [SPEAKER_06] At that moment, we could not vote. out. Thank you. So that's the reason. The vote was taken up later because we still had other audits to go over. And then once we voted on it, that's when they were notified. But they were. aware ahead of time before they received that there was questions about this $27,000. and the renovations to the back. [SPEAKER_03] bathroom. [SPEAKER_06] I just want to clarify where you're saying we just got hit with this that we owe $27,000. It was in question. Bye. Like, and Mr. Henderson was here, he did give us input. They were in there with us present. They did hear all of that, so. [SPEAKER_07] And Mr. Henderson didn't know. not receive any work that we do. the application that we sent in had been. Thank you. changes to that. We'll be right back. [SPEAKER_06] And I do agree, I don't think that was brought up that night in front of Mr. Henderson, but I do think the argument that night was the fact. shower that the bathrooms were included in the overnight stays that night when Mr. Henderson was here if I remember correctly. that the argument was. that when that part got taken out, that's when the shower part got taken out. [SPEAKER_00] if I understand correctly, the night, so, but at the end of the day, what Mr. Henderson kept saying is that. [SPEAKER_06] That was all taken out before the contract was done and signed. Thank you. [SPEAKER_11] My recommendation for the board would be that you guys should make a decision based on what you've got from Bernard. Thank you. the next phase will be. with the state, you know, coming together. of the county say. you you haven't got the money from Bernard. we need it from you. And then the commission's going to have to come in. you know, decide. what they want to do. But, you know, I don't think that... I mean, I think the idea of... What I see here is a pretty thorough. BlueCross BlueShield is a proud supporter of Second Opinion. Live Fearless. involvement with the state. given in the audit process. Thanks for watching. Bye. prior decision of this board. as to what the. approach is that the board's willing to take. and you've got it. the proposal from Verdard saying we're willing to consider. the in-kind approach. subject to you providing a response to us, I'd say. Thank you. All right. I don't recommend that the board make a detailed response. to Bernard on this subject. We've been open and we'll be open. You know, it's, it's. Thank you. complicated than put it on a different computer. You know, I'd say the... this board could decide. No, we're not going to consider the in-kind exchange and we expect Bernard to pay us the $27,000. or we can say we are going to consider the in-kind exchange. And we're gonna either approve or disapprove it, but we're not gonna provide a response as a contingent basis for that. decision that we're making. and that those are. you know, a way to basically. get it off dead center here. Ah, like this. point. [SPEAKER_01] question to that because you've been is if you accept our in-kind care. What's to stop the state from doing that? later on after the fact again and say well we don't accept And then where does that leave us? [SPEAKER_11] Then we're back in the. [SPEAKER_01] but there's no real way to get beyond that at this point. I don't think, so. [SPEAKER_12] Yeah. Thanks. we're waiting and start moving that forward. [SPEAKER_01] I mean, as an author, I don't require it. Basically, it was questions that Amy and I had. as new board members coming on to it, it was like. Thank you. [SPEAKER_00] It was shell-shocked, and there was not a lot of it. that was provided within that. I first learned of it by reading a book. writing the article in the newspaper, which was... Bye guys. Bye. [SPEAKER_01] It's not really the way I like to find out about things. But I mean, as far as, and I feel I can speak for Amy. and I've been texting back and forth. for that you know we don't require that But we certainly don't want it to become an issue that is going to cost Bernard. you know, a payback or a clawback. but I also feel like we're up against a wall. because there is no good. solution to any of this. it will. of errors right from the get-go. That's all I have for you today. Have a great day. Bye. but it leaves us in a precarious position also. And I hope you have a great day. How confident are we of the exact. figure. I mean, it's the in-kind benefit. $1,900 and whatever. [SPEAKER_07] 29, 25. That's it. [SPEAKER_01] 29. [SPEAKER_07] $299.25. [SPEAKER_06] I think- That number came from where? was given to us. I was sent when I got there. Peace out. [SPEAKER_08] early reports. [SPEAKER_06] Thank you for your time. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Thank you. I do think we as a board. are numbered due to. I don't disagree. [SPEAKER_07] Okay. [SPEAKER_13] So we're going to vote on the in kind. A discussion. A discussion. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_06] Okay, so I have a question before we vote. So we're, yeah, focused. [SPEAKER_05] Discussion. Great. Thank you. [SPEAKER_06] Yeah, we're just catching up. I'm going to hand it back to you. Kind of going back to what she said is, if we vote on this, are we discussing it? and we say, okay, we're gonna vote on it. do the in-contact. They start next month, working off this month. And then six months from now, the state comes back and says. to [SPEAKER_09] Because I feel like at that point, the county somewhere would have to eat whatever they've worked with. Go ahead. [SPEAKER_06] So you'll wait for it? [SPEAKER_09] Yes. Okay. Cheers. It has to be employee-related. you're using the build and pour has to set. Thank you. exhibit to show you how to do it. So to say this is really what's going on. been on. So... it no longer is spent on. Yes. Okay. [SPEAKER_06] So you're saying exhibit eight. So it actually does put us in compliance. point because we're rid of their trauma. money on. [SPEAKER_09] and I think it's not as simple as that. I think it will also. I think there were because I think everybody will have to. because I have to submit. Thank you for your time. I love this one that you spin on. So. Thank you. if we decide to go this route, and it is in compliance with that. Thank you. at Exhibit E than this. that we've spent it on, as it takes a lot of time. Oh, that's right, yeah. [SPEAKER_05] It was not understandable. 18 months to do that. [SPEAKER_09] Yeah, yeah. Bye. there. Okay, yeah. Okay, we should be okay. [SPEAKER_06] that you were asked up and did it. The only thing is- [SPEAKER_05] It's still not fair, but it was clarifying. [SPEAKER_07] Can we expand that out a little further then, if you'd be done in a three-year period? [SPEAKER_06] That way we could open up some of that- For rental because that's that's the only way we generate any kind of operating through the rim of my eye. [SPEAKER_07] and go to most of the classes. that people want to have. And most of the times, they would be. every day. [SPEAKER_05] council meet on Saturdays. [SPEAKER_07] Thank you. In-depth is meaning now, in-depth is meaning now. [SPEAKER_14] 8, 30, to 12. up there. Through the wing, usually. Yeah. on a Wednesday. [SPEAKER_05] this would end up. that crystal would index. be considered. Yeah. Okay. [SPEAKER_14] use I would think he'll Council would. because they they have classes set aside just for it. I just don't feel sorry. [SPEAKER_07] They share all the information. [SPEAKER_14] where the services are. and where you can go to get a different type of service. They have counsel. They do. Thank you. [SPEAKER_05] Thank you. but that's all we're on the waiting list for. Thank you. Both councils during the week, I don't know when in-depth. [SPEAKER_07] days. And we'll see you next week. [SPEAKER_05] I can't do it. [SPEAKER_07] He says I can't do it. He's 32. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_14] Thank you. Thank you. What is the MDEP program? I'm sorry, I don't know. [SPEAKER_07] It's an anti-nicotine program. program. Okay, bye. Bye. that has exhibited an addiction. to nicotine, trying to get them off of nicotine so they don't thrive with it. guys. Bye. Thank you very much. Have a great day. Thank you. Thank you for your time. I have their dates for this year, they don't meet every Saturday. but they'll be. we can meet. I'll phone back. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Maybe. I don't know. of algorithm. Yeah. I'm gonna second Sarah. I guess he doesn't mind. [SPEAKER_12] Sure. Thank you. Where are we coming up with the... It's going to take 18 months. comments. Take care. We figured that. We did it. [SPEAKER_07] $27,299. [SPEAKER_02] That makes a lot of sense. [SPEAKER_07] I'd have to look at it, I don't have a copy of that. Then you explain what. [SPEAKER_12] I mean, are you dividing it by... [SPEAKER_07] what you normally would charge someone to rent the space or. Thank you for listening. [SPEAKER_14] Thank you. [SPEAKER_07] Thank you. [SPEAKER_14] Is that how we're coupling up that number? [SPEAKER_07] Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. [SPEAKER_12] Yeah. [SPEAKER_14] Yeah. [SPEAKER_03] And it's not there, see? [SPEAKER_04] I did not tell her to wear that! [SPEAKER_08] And I know you're super diggy, Dan, [SPEAKER_06] and I know you've got to get out of here. Let me ask you this question right here. I'm assuming that they're setting the rate for their normal stuff. at a different rate. for those meetings that would be normal. area? [SPEAKER_11] Well, I... you know, that would raise a question. it would be more defensible to use the normal rate. [SPEAKER_07] to take a drive for my real life. contracts. Thank you. This is what we do charge if we win. My body was ready to be on there for two hours of that. [SPEAKER_00] First time I was ready to build for four hours a month. these are the figures that we would use. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_11] Yeah, and is there a way to perhaps accelerate... [SPEAKER_07] Oh, at least two glasses a month. [SPEAKER_11] of the facility for these programs so that you can. Thank you. Rather than drag it out, you know, so I don't know [SPEAKER_12] Thank you. [SPEAKER_10] Sorry, as part of the resolution, my name's Charles, I'm a long-term recovery. I'm also a licensed therapist. I work at the Randolph-Everett Clinic. I can absolutely help in our community center to go fill out an education class in the provincial. Whatever they want to do two times a month, I would absolutely be willing to volunteer that. and I do it every day. Thank you. Thank you. Fantastic. Fantastic. I want a lot with recovery. And we just crave it. Thank you. to you now, the Hope Charter. and the right thing to do. Ryan Rogers and the Sober Living Program, and I helped him open that door. that. So thanks. I'd be willing to help them do whatever they can and use those and drop them off. [SPEAKER_06] So that would be some more meetings or whatever? [SPEAKER_07] Is that what you're talking about? I have another question. So we have on our end-use plan 18 months. Thanks. Okay. And that's dependent on whether or not other, uh, Bye-bye. organization. will want to use the BLV. So, and we got to have at least for 18 months, at least two safe. Thank you for your patience. What if... Thank you. enough organizations don't need, don't come forward and say, yes, we would like to utilize the building. you know, at no cost, no charge. And we haven't. Because we're going to be keeping up with how many sessions are in and all that. And we're running, say, in 18 months, I don't know where the dollar amount will be. But it's not at that full amount. and see what happens then. expand it a little bit.