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1/12/2025 Budget and Finance Committees Audio - Hickman County, TN
Jan 12, 2026
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Jess here. Danny Clark here.
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Steve Jump here. Jim Herren here. Dusty Jordan here.
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Ronald Mayberry here. Ricky Murray here. Keith Nash here. Devin Pickard
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here. Ron Pucket here. Dwayne Thomasson here. I got president one absent.
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Now we do have a forum. Uh The agenda was in your packet. If you
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had a chance to look over it, take a motion to approve or any any comment any changes to be made
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by Ron Mayberry by Wayne
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Thompson.
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All in favor say I. kind of discussion.
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Is there any discussion? I ask for anybody want Oh, I didn't hear it. I said, is anybody got
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want approve or any changes? You have to change discussion. Discussion. I'm sorry. I got discussion. This uh location, I've
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had a couple of calls today in regards to it. Um it's we got this information
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on Friday uh to vote tonight and uh
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there's there's one location a house that's sitting within 300 ft uh that the
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gentleman is in Ohio. I talked to him. He is um you know opposes that this uh
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permit would be issued. And um in
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addition, there's within 775 ft, there's a building that's on a church camp. Um I
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went by there today to try to find out exactly what they do in that building. I think it's a district office, but I
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don't know because I didn't talk to the people of that place. Um, but given all
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that information and the location with some opposition of the people that
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within certain amount of feet, I would like to make a motion that to table this
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until the next beer next month's meeting. I know there's not supposed to be any qu any discussion on motion to table, but I
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don't know if a beer license is subject to the to the table. Uh our
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uh aramentarian is looking it up as we speak. No, I was looking at the address he was
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talking about. If not to get into discussion on the
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motion, but if the motion to table was worded as a motion to postpone, would there be any difficulty there?
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No, I I don't I don't know. We got it with a license. I I'm not sure. I'd like to address those two issues.
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um notice has been put in the paper twice once for December that we didn't
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meet and the second time was for senior packet with a copy of the publication.
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So will of this body if uh
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and the the reason he's doing that is because people that are that want to oppose it because they're within 300 ft
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they have to be present according to law they have to be present to object to it. So
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with that, Mr. Pro there and I'm not sure. Do you want to postpone it definitely or do you want to postpone till next month?
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Well, the original motion was to table it until next I'm sorry to table it until next month.
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Next month, but I would be happy to re reorder it however it you can postpone it for a month or table
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it for a month. However wording you want to use. But I made the motion, but there's not a
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Oh, I'm sorry. Let's say to postpone. Is that okay? That I I will I will change it to
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postpone for till next month. Right. We have a motion in saying
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there's no discussion on table. Could do a roll call vote.
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Matthew Barnhill. Yes. Calcott. Yes. Clay Chester. Yes.
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Danny Clark. Yes. Todd. Steve Jak. Yes. Jim Har. Dustin.
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No. Ron Mayberry, no. Ricky Murray,
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yes. Keith Nash, yes. Deon Picker, yes.
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Ron Pucket, yes. Wayne Thomasson, no.
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10. Yes. Two. Three. No. Motion passes.
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Motion passes. Be tabled until Casey, are you taking care of that one?
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Thank you. U we will hear it next month.
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And that is all the business we have. U
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second from motion from Mr.
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from Mr. Mayberry. All in favor say I.
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All right. Yeah, it's your turn. All right.
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We'll call the uh budget, finance, human resources meeting to order. Uh Chris
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Wood, please take Matthew Barnhill
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here. Claude Calot here. Clay Chester here.
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Danny Clark here. Todd Collins. Steve Jakis here. Jim Herren
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here. Dusty Jordan here. Ron Mayberry here. Ricky Murray here. Keith Nash
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here. Devin Pickard here. Ron Pucket still here. Yes. Dwayne Thomasson
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here. 13 present, one absent. 13 present, one absent. We have a quorum. Uh first item up on the agenda
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is the approval of the agenda. You should have received one in your packet. I got a motion by Commissioner Thompson,
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a second by Commissioner Mayberry. Uh any discussion on the agenda?
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All in favor say I. I opposed. I have it.
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First thing up is the approve uh public comment period
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one. Uh thank you. Um just want to talk to
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the opioid uh deal and the uh request for cardiac monitors. I think that uh
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given the amount that is being requested for uh the new equipment which I do believe that equipment is a good
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purchase especially the car uh the CPR devices which I think I think some of the current ones uh fail occasionally
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and uh I've talked to a number of EMS workers and they would like the new plunger type devices. It would make
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their work life better. I think uh would help retain good quality people here. I
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think there's a number of ways we can justify using the opioid funds within the guidelines of of the funding. Uh we
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can make the case that that that money can be put towards uh the EMS request.
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And I'd like to see us avoid hiring a what is not definitely not a full-time role to be a navigator if that is uh if
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that there's been some discussion of hiring someone to help distribute the funds. Uh on the plus side, those funds
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could be distributed more readily in in smaller amounts to uh organizations, which I do think would be a good thing.
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And I do think if given what what's gone on in the past, and no, that's no fault
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of anybody on the opioid board, but it would be a better use probably even of half the funds if half the funds were
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going towards a position. But if we can avoid hiring that position, which really would, like I said, it's not a full-time
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role, and find a way to get those that funding to EMS, I think it would be very
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good for the county, very good for overall response, but definitely opioid response and and other things like that.
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That's that's all I got to say. Thanks. Else on the list, uh, next up is the
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approval of the minutes of the previous meeting. Those should have been in your packet. I look for a motion to approve.
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Motion by Commissioner Pucket, second by Commissioner Barney. Any discussion.
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All in favor say I. I. Opposed. Eyes have it.
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Budget amendment. Budget amendment 2640.
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These are cleanup amendments and insurance recovery for the assessor of property trustee and sheriff's
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department. A motion by Commissioner Cheser.
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Second by Commissioner Pucket. Any discussion.
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Roll call vote, please. Wayne Thomasson, yes.
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Matthew Barnhill, yes. Paul Calipot, yes. Clay Cheser, yes. Danny Clark,
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yes. Steve Giannis, yes. Jim Harren, yes. Dusty Jordan,
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yes. Ron Mayberry, yes. Ricky Murray, yes. Keith Nash, yes.
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Devin Pickard, yes. and Ron Pucket. Yes. All present voting yes.
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Motion passes. Budget amendment 2641.
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This is a budget amendment for our sheriff's department. Uh the first part of the budget amendment is asking to use
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additional revenue. Uh they plan on doing a vehicle sale for their vehicles
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that were impounded. and they're estimating around 35,000, but they're asking to use 15 towards
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maintenance and repair and for law enforcement supplies. And the second half is to budget for smokeless tobacco
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sales at the revenue and the expenditures.
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Motion approved Commissioner Thompson, second by Commissioner Jordan. Any discussion?
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Roll call vote. Ron Pucket, yes. Wayne Thomasson, yes. Matthew Barnhill,
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yes. Claude Calakott, yes. Clay Chester, yes. Danny Clark, yes.
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Steve Giannakis, yes. Jim Baron, yes. Dusty Jordan, yes. Ron Mayberry,
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yes. Ricky Murray, yes. Keith Nash, yes. Devin Pickard, yes. All present voting yes.
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Motion carries. Budget amendment 2642.
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Um this is asking for two TVs for the uh open meeting system located for this
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courtroom. Um we are taking it out of the direct appropriation grant the same as we did the other part of the system.
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A motion by Commissioner Barhill, second by Commissioner Jordan. Any discussion?
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Uh just a little bit more on this. probably put both each TV on each side
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is what the thoughts was. And when we get this new software, it will allow those that are in the crowd to be able
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to see the voting and and and uh be able to know, you know, how they're what the
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uh motion is and that sort of thing. And Casey, I know, has worked on on
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a lot lot to it there. How big are these TVs? I mean, $1,500 a
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piece is a 85 inch is what I was would like to see is or or as big as we can get for the
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money that we got. Okay. Um but but I don't know if you you saw
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any of the other uh meetings that they they use that software, but basically they can have it pulled up and when when
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we vote it'll appear on the screen. If you're sitting in in the audience,
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you're not like right now, people can know how each commissioner voted. Uh there's not going to be a discussion on
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the votes. You you click a button and and it it updates. So
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like no roll call vote. You're saying just correct. Right. Right.
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At least in the meetings that I saw. I mean, Casey would be running them and stuff, but well, when you there's
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there's some pretty good uh and he can get you a link like I I watched a meeting out of Madison, Wisconsin, and
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um they you know, soon as they hit it, it it appeared they had a screen and it appeared um they did they can do like a
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call-in vote. So, they had person on the phone and they waited until everybody locked their vote in and then the person
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on the phone, they asked them how they voted. They entered that and as soon as they entered that, they all all
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appeared. You knew exactly how everybody voted.
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And I'm just asking because I I don't know the technology and me aren't that friendly. The best thing that's happened
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in all the years that that I've been sitting here is when we started projecting the budget on that wall. I
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I'm assuming while Crystal's sitting here that the we'll have all that on our tablet now and I won't have to keep
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turning around and and the audience will be able to see what we're doing on those screens. Am I assuming correctly? I
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think so. Yeah. So, the the current um what we bought
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and pay for, my understanding is that we would be able to to have the software to run the the count full county court
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meeting, not necessarily the committee meetings. Uh we can do that, but I think there's a little extra cost for that
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because I hadn't required and that's why Oh, there's Casey. I think what he's asking, yeah, Crystal,
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there'll be smart TVs. They can stream the budget to it. So everybody here can see the budget on
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those. So they might be up there or may not be on your little iPad. Yeah, there you go. Okay.
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That's where I was kind that's where I was getting.
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The only problem with the projector is it that it's on this wall and we have to set strategically to be able to see it.
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But me and Ricky and Commissioner Nash are the one and Michael Wayne. We did the
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budget before the projector and that that that was an experience.
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I'm hoping this will just be a better form of that. Yeah, it's better than the abocus you probably use more likely.
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I'm old. Any other discussion? Roll call. Devin Pickard.
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Yes. Ron Pucket. Yes. Wayne Thomasson. Yes. Matthew Barnhill, yes.
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Claude Kellott, yes. Clay Cheser, yes. Danny Clark, yes. Steve Janak,
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yes. Jim Harren, yes. Dusty Jordan, yes. Ron Mayberry, yes. Ricky Murray,
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yes. And Keith Nash, yes. All present, voting, yes. Budget amendment 2643.
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This is uh an amendment for the election. I know we had spoke about it in past
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meetings. um we needed a little extra money to finish finish off the last special election and then we've got the
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May primary coming up. So, this is budgeting for that.
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And I didn't mention it, but 2642 did pass obviously. Um looking for a motion
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on 2643. Motion by Commissioner Jordan, second by Commissioner Calakott. Any discussion?
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Roll call vote. Keith Nash. Yes. Devin Pickard. Yes.
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Ron Pucket. Yes. Wayne Thomasson. Yes. Matthew Barnhill. Yes. Claude Calott.
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Yes. Clay Chester. Yes. Danny Clark. Yes. Steve Janakis. Yes. Jim Harren.
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Yes. Dusty Jordan. Yes. Ron Mayberry. Yes. And Ricky Murray. Yes.
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All present. Voting yes. Motion pass.
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2644. This is a budget amendment from the drug fund. The sheriff is asking to be able
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to use additional money to finish off the year for veteran for vets services and miscellaneous costs related to the
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drug dog. Motion by Commissioner Calott, second by Commissioner Clark. Any discussion?
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Roll call vote. Ricky Murray, yes. Keith Nash, yes. Devin Pickard,
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yes. Ron Pucket, yes. Wayne Thomasson, yes. Matthew Barnhill, yes. Claude Calakott,
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yes. Clay Chester, yes. Danny Clark, yes. Steve Janakas, yes. Jim Harren,
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yes. Dusty Jordan, yes. Ron Mayberry, yes. All present voting yes. Motion passes.
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Budget amendment 2645. This is a reclassification of funds uh
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recommended by the highway board. These that these were at two different board meetings. The first part was re
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reclassification due to they had two long-term employees that retired and the second part was just a made a deductible
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for the insurance. Motion by Commissioner Thompson, second by Commissioner Jordan. Any discussion?
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Call. Ron Mayberry. Yes. Ricky Murray, yes. Keith Nash, yes.
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Devin Picker, yes. Ron Pucket, yes. Yes. Wayne Thomasson, yes. Matthew Barnhill,
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yes. Claude Calakott, yes. Clay Chester, yes. Danny Clark, yes.
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Steve Giannakis, yes. Jim Heron, yes. And Jordan, yes. All present voting yes.
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Motion carries. All of my budget amendments. All right. Thank you, Crystal. Uh, next
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up is HR business, the county personnel policy update. And I think we all had that in our packet with some highlights.
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I suspect that the highlights were the changes, but I don't know who's going to talk to that.
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Okay. So, the department heads met and they came up with a more unified policy.
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I know the committee was concerned about liability on the last one. This is a more uniform. Um, the changes that were
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made u mainly applies to page five. I don't know if y'all had a chance to
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read over those. Um, but it it it's for employees hired after the passage of
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this policy. Um, they are excluding highway department employees and school
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employees to this for any prior year service related to leave acrruel. Um,
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the it only applies to employees that have previously worked for Kateman County in
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a full-time position. They have to have left employment in
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good standing and the rehire must occur within one year of the employee separation. If it's
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after that they start over as a new hire and only full full year services will be
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recognized. No partial years. Have any question? I think the department heads are here tonight to answer any questions
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that you may have.
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Yeah. If anybody has any questions, feel free to ask. Like the officials that are here. Um but the big change you're
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talking about was the one that has all a lot of the yellow highlight. The rest the rest of it where there was
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highlighted those are changes as well. Yes. All of the anything highlighted is changes, but most of them are just
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general update. And it it would be um we would be
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looking for a motion to approve the policy as it's presented to to recommend the county commission.
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Got a motion by Commissioner Jordan, second by Commissioner Thompson. All right. Any
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discussion? Question. Do all the all the department heads agree with this?
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I see a knob up everybody's head. So,
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any other discussion?
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We need a profile vote for that or can we just I don't think you have to have
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All in favor say I. I opposed have it. Thank y'all for your work.
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Uh, next up is unfinished business. I don't know any other HR business. Is there any other uh next up unfinished
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business? The chair is not aware of any.
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Next up is new business. And I'll pass around
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something I got.
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So some two and a half three years ago I think we all
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this commission uh provided I got
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provided a grant uh a recommended I guess the grant I don't know the terminology but basically
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we ended up uh giving a grant to
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to the town of Centerville uh the amount of 4 million 100
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something thousand dollar that's there on the left hand side there
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I requested from Mayor Greer a breakdown of the projects
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uh what has been spent the estimated completion date
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uh and the balance. So, that's what this is. No mo no action needs to be taken on
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this, but I definitely wanted you all to be aware of where it's at.
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Uh and see if there's any questions.
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[Applause] So they spent 1.8
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million um so there's 200 or 2.3 million left
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to spend and I think that those funds have to be spent by the end of this year. Is that correct Crystal on that
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grant? Yes. So,
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so if I'm reading it right, there there is at least engineering work already going on to run water to some
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communities in district 7 that have been asking for that for a long time. Yes,
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Mr. conversation I remember on that Clay is that that and it was some
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South Central people that were doing it the the engineering and the planning and
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the execution. There's no grants coming that big. So that was part of the deal
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tonight that we passed the four million on through that they take care of the engineering and planning and and be
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ready when the when the next round of grants come through to execute the project.
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Thank you for for getting this. You're welcome. I would um
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think it would be behoove myself to to try to get an update at least by August
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of of this year so we can kind of see um at least give
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those that are sitting here now that should be at that meeting in August uh some information um and then we can kind
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of go from there. So, but no further questions on that.
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We'll move on over to Mr. Jenkins who's got to talk to us about index of
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pass. Thank y'all for the time tonight.
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We uh last April um Jason Munpower, the
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controller of the treasury, helped push through a bill to make a law that
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counties can do indexing. He has been on a mission to try to shorten the reappraisal times for counties. Now,
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what he's after right now is to shorten it to four years, which we're already on
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four years, but it is coming to where going to be a two year. We're going to do something to try to get it down to a
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twoyear or something like that. So, what we're looking at this year is
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do indexing. That that was the law that passed that a county can do indexing in year two of the four-year reappraisal
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plan. And what that does, it keeps from taking the big bite out of the apple. We
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just take little bitty bites out of the apple, you know, as we go along and maybe won't hurt everybody as much.
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Also, the ratio cost us almost $800,000
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and that hurts in the county, our size and and everything. It also took away
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from our elders, took away from our disabled veterans, and I've got all those numbers if anybody like to see
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that. But the main thing is we we'll be in year two of our four-year reappraisal
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plan. We will do what we call indexing. And indexing is where
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everything that sells in that neighborhood. Now, I say a neighborhood,
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it's not like, you know, Ricky's next door neighbor. A neighborhood is a section that we have tried to pick out
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and take like a $500,000 house and compare it to a $500,000 house in that area. We try to take mobile homes and
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put those in areas. So, we're not comparing, we're comparing apples to apples. We had nine neighborhoods until
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we started this. We've got almost 300 neighborhoods separated out now. So, you
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see what we've been doing and been trying to get us ready for this if y'all approve it. Last Friday, the state
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approved this plan that y'all are seeing right now. What has to happen is the state approves it, y'all approve it, and
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then the board of equalization approves it. So, we're here's where we're at right now.
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So they, like I said, back to the neighborhood thing, you won't they won't
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be countywide. It'll just be what's sold in that neighborhood. So if a $500,000
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house sold and it sold for $20,000 more than what we've got on it, we will bring
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that house up $20,000. The other side of that, if it's over $20,000 less than what we had on it, we
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have to bring it down. Also, in year two, we will have to have a certified
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tax rate. So, whatever we bring up, we'll have to equalize it out, you know, just like we do in real appraisal.
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Again, what this is going to do, the big thing it's going to do, and I'll talk to Crystal about it a whole lot, it will
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help stabilize our tax base, you know, throughout the four years. We have been
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sitting here for four years now. Hadn't had an increase. the ratio took $800,000
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with us away from us. There's no way to recoup that until we get reappraisal.
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So, that's that's going to help us on this. But y'all have any questions or
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I've got a question. The uh the map or the I guess page eight. So, this is
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that's the visual inspection. That's the visual inspection. Visual inspection that we have to do. That's part of our plan.
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Okay. The only thing that changed in the reappraisal plan was on page three. Okay.
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Another thing too, as our county is growing, we're getting more businesses in. We're
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getting more companies in that own businesses that are want to have a tax
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rep, you know, say, "Hey, this building's too high." They can call for a ratio in year
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one or year three. If they do that, if we didn't have this,
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we would have to give them a ratio for those years. This takes care of that. They cannot call for a ratio and
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hopefully it will shut them down on trying to, you know, something that could do some mess up.
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So if a house sells for 25 more, just that house goes up in the neighborhood, not no. Everything in that neighborhood.
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Everything in that neighborhood. I'll give y'all an example, and a lot of people may not know this. Um,
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Fair View Boulevard up in the upper end of the county. Everybody knows that's a neighborhood. We've got that pulled out
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as a separate neighborhood because that's comparable to everything that you
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know that's in there is comparable. you know, uh, General Forest, that's a
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neighborhood. Uh, Riverview over in Centerville, that's a neighborhood. You
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know, it's pulled out separate. We're not comparing Riverview with downtown Centerville, you know, if that makes any
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sense or anything.
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And that re or the index would happen in two years, right? In year two.
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In year two. Yep. And it unless unless a ratio is called for
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and it would be a net difference, right? Like so if one sold for 20,000, one sold for 10,000 less, it would be a net out
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of 10,000, right? Say fair in Fair View on Fairview
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Boulevard. If a house in there sold for 10,000 less than what we had on it, we'd have to bring everything in there$10,000
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down $10,000. What about if you had a house that sold
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$10,000 less, another house sold $10,000 more, then you get to hit the center of it. You just you would say it zero
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and zero it out. I mean, it's just what we do right now. You know, we'll have some we'll have some that
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will sell for 190,000. Then we'll have one sale for 300,000. You just have to hit the center of it.
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in less rural areas or in in in rural real rural areas less condensed are um
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there would be farms I guess like or like a a whole right but that there that's a good question if
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you're in an area where say somebody has cut five acres out for the kids they
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built a house that's in that neighborhood but you only bring that house up you don't bring the land up
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with that do you'll bring that h that house and that five acres up everything that's in that neighborhood that's on
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the house and five acres or something or less or something like that you bring that up you don't hit that big farm you
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know saying
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is this just more of an information or do we need any action from this I need I need to tell the county
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commission if possible uh this month if possible
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I got a motion by Commissioner Barnhill, seconded by Commissioner Pucket. Discussion and Commissioner Nash.
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Well, let's take a vote. I just need to ask how we make sure we do this right
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if if it passes. I'm just trying I'm just trying to get any other any other discussion or any
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discussion on it. I have any motions.
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We need a roll call or can we do it as a board?
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Yeah, I send it to the county commission. So, all in favor say I. I opposed. Eyes have it.
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Commissioner Nash have Randy. So, are are you needing a resolution that says we approve of this?
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Yes. Okay. Are are you uh who who's going to ramrod that getting that resolution together?
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I can. Okay. So, we need a resolution that we approve of this need to be on the agenda
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in at the end of the month. Cool.
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All right. Next up is financing lease for heart monitors and CPR devices. So, I don't know if this
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let it work hard.
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you. So, EMS um we had put out this has been
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what five years in the making. Um to bring and and buy purchase new
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Striker Life Pack 35s and Lucas CPR devices. Um
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we enclose I did you yeah you all got the information. Um
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with that being said um we have had an opportunity to evaluate both of these
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items go through them. Um we would like to
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purchase the striker the light pike 35s. I know in the committee meeting the other night it was said that the overall
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bid was more expensive for those than for the um ZO devices.
34:53
With that being said, if you look at the breakdown on those, I hope I was able to explain
35:01
Striker actually with their product came in cheaper. Um, where we're looking at the
35:07
differences is when we broke the beds down, ZO did not include the battery
35:13
chargers, nor did they include the mounting devices for their product in
35:19
our trucks. So, the nearly $40,000 extra cost is for
35:26
mounting devices to put these in our trucks so they're secured and also for the battery chargers that would be in
35:32
our stations to charge the extra batteries. Um,
35:37
with that being said, they also include eight years of total warranty on their product.
35:43
Um, if in eight years there's no new units
35:51
um that they have come out with, we can continue to use this platform and
35:56
those units for as long as Striker has them. We'll just be paying for the warranties on them. Um,
36:04
both devices offer the leases with the option to purchase them at the end of
36:09
the lease or to turn them in and purchase new equipment.
36:16
Um, so that's kind of where we're at. We're looking at a total cost
36:22
for the Striker devices at 555,62504.
36:28
And there were two options for financing on those with leases at three years, 0%
36:34
interest, and then a six-year annual payment with a 2% interest rate on those. And Crystal's done all of the
36:42
homework as far as the financing and options there. So, I would defer any
36:47
questions on that to her.
36:55
This can get us in the pipeline for making an annual payment, put it in in
37:01
the budget line perpetually. Is that right, Crystal? If you if you continue the lease,
37:08
so so that would that would keep us from having to come back and revisit this in 10 years.
37:14
We can just kind of work it in there.
37:20
Crystal, did you want to explain the financing or Well, when I was approached there, I was
37:25
trying to find a way that um we could split it up a little bit. 500, you know, half a million dollars is a lot of money
37:32
for us right now. Um the the lease option
37:37
was the only way that I knew to do that right now. Um any capital outlay loan to buy it straight out, it's going to be at
37:43
least 5%. Uh, so if you're opting to do all of the monitors at one time, this was the way
37:51
that um we could do it. We would, if the county commission is considering doing
37:58
this, we would have to uh reach out to the state controllers's office and ask
38:03
permission to do this. Uh, and the budget committee would need to recommend a term of how you wanted to go forward.
38:11
Um, if they approve that, then it would come back to the county commission as a resolution to actually move forward with
38:18
the lease.
38:23
It can also be taken out of debt service or county general is my understanding
38:28
because it is a financing lease.
38:35
Does this decision need to be made tonight? We need a decision to send it
38:41
to full commission to send it to the controllers's office for approval.
38:47
It would still have to come back through our committee and then through the full court for final approval of the
38:52
purchasing question. So if we if we agreed to run
38:59
this this leasing option, the the the method in which we would use
39:05
to fund that leasing option would still be up in up in the air. I
39:10
mean it could come from debt service. It could come from fund balance. It but what about uh you know getting opioid
39:18
fund uh what about the hospital foundation? Could those do an annual
39:24
transfer? handle that annual lease. Um I don't think that there could be an
39:30
actual transfer for those, but you could ask them to purchase the heart monitor.
39:36
Um I I know Mr. Post had mentioned opioid. Um Allan has made a presentation
39:41
to our opioid committee and I think uh they they are very willing to consider that. I think they were just trying to
39:48
clean up some of the other contracts that we have going on right now. Um I don't think that we could fund all of
39:54
them. There's about $26,000 left in the opioid right now. But I think talking to
40:00
UT Smart, it is an allowable expense, but it would be uh you would they would
40:06
need to decide if they wanted to purchase one heart monitor or a percentage of the heart monitors um to
40:12
justify because we do use it for other things. Uh the health foundation, I don't think that they've approached the
40:17
health foundation for any funding. Haven't yet, but I think that that is an option. Um,
40:24
but if you're going to buy it straight out, then I think you can probably get a cheaper quote from this because at least
40:31
an option is always going to be a little bit more expensive than buying something straight out.
40:38
So, what do we I mean, but but what you're specifically asking tonight for is to move forward with the leasing
40:45
option so you can go to the state and that's really all that that we're talking about tonight. So what happens
40:52
if we say yeah we want to do the leasing option but then we want to concurrently
40:58
go and talk to the opening door to the hospital and get some some capital dollars from them. How would that affect
41:04
any of that leasing decision that leasing decision? Um this leasing decision I mean you're asking for approval from the state but
41:10
if the county commission doesn't do that resolution they're still going to be asked again in the resolution do you
41:16
want to proceed with this? So until it goes through county commission, I think I mean you wouldn't have to necessarily
41:21
go through with it. Um but if you do move forward with it
41:27
tonight to go to the controller's office, you will have to choose a term because I have to submit all of that to
41:33
them. Uh where it's coming from and also are you going to go with the threeyear,
41:39
sixyear, but it's not set in stone until that
41:44
resolution is passed. But you have to go to the controller's office with specific then and
41:50
specifically that is an amount the term and the and the and well that's the
41:57
amount and the term submit a full proposal to them. But that amount and the term can change.
42:04
Well, I'm submitting it to the state. So I think if you change the term once you get in there uh we would probably have
42:10
to resubmit it. Um but I think it could be done.
42:21
and the the three year and five year I see two proposals. So one's at a total payment
42:27
of 155,000. Is that what I what I see there? And then
42:33
u one is for the three year is for 18520834
42:38
and then for the six year it brings the payments down to 97,45352.
42:46
It needs a warranty for eight years. Is that what
42:53
And that would be uh so if we chose the second option for
43:00
six years is that what I heard you say six years. Yes. That's 97,000 that will
43:07
new money that would hit because we are currently not paying. Correct. Like
43:12
that's nearly 100,000. So that's two pennies based off of last year
43:19
or this year's budget that we're in. I do have a $30,000 uh grant that's
43:26
coming to us. Uh we're in the process of getting contracts and stuff like that right now that that we will put toward
43:33
the the payment. Um and then we're also in conversation with opioid board.
43:40
Yeah. And so so possibly we can you know, put together a payment there.
43:46
That's year one. Your one,000
43:58
you had mentioned that the if they don't change then we can stay
44:04
with the video forever as long as they support it. Now we've got the old correct.
44:10
Now it seems like they have Are these the second set
44:15
of Z? This is the second set of Z monitors.
44:21
They they seem to have been uh have changed theirs every time.
44:27
Every time we've had to get new ones now. We've got a lot of Striker equipment, but we don't have with these units.
44:36
Does Striker have a rep to change it? I mean, I know technology changed, but is it something that they say consistent on
44:43
theirs or uh Striker Al I mean they all change. Striker has been more consistent. They
44:49
have had they had the Z excuse me the Striker the
44:55
Life Pack 15s for 12 13 years. Um both of these are the
45:03
newest technology that either one of them have. So, with that being said,
45:09
ZO won't even offer us some of the same stuff because they're like, "Oh, well,
45:14
this is the newest we have. You're not going to need anything else."
45:20
Until they need to update it. Right. Right. And that's the reason Striker offers on their platform, they
45:27
send a service tech out to do all the updates in house. Like, they'll just send it to us and be like, you know,
45:33
here it is. and they push it through the computer system and it updates at 2 am every morning.
45:39
So, anything that they're updating is coming directly to us. Um, with that
45:45
being said, I mean, in 8 years, if they say, "Hey, we've come out with a whole
45:50
new line. We could, you know, trade all of our stuff back in and just continue our
45:56
leases if approved, you know, through you guys for as long as we needed to.
46:01
But if not, then the life is the newest thing they've got and we've got all the updates, then we just keep moving with
46:08
it. And Zo in the past hasn't offered that kind of No. And they're not even offering us, if
46:15
I remember correctly, they didn't offer us any kind of update at all because they just said, "Well, this is the
46:20
newest product we have. It's going to be good for as long as you need it, and we'll update you whenever the time
46:26
comes." Well, if that if that were so with what we currently have, we should we wouldn't be here right now. Exactly. Exactly. The monitors that we
46:34
currently have are three years outside of their window to do any updates with whatsoever without upgrading to at least
46:40
a three-year newer monitor than what we have.
46:46
Thank you. Uhhuh.
46:54
So a question for Crystal. So if we went with the the payment plan, are you
47:02
saying that asking like the opioid board for that amount of money to make that payment annually is not an option? It's
47:09
only option if we purchase it all at once or did I misunderstand?
47:14
Because of the uh reporting to the state because it's it's state money. Uh I
47:20
would say it would be better just to purchase the heart monitors. Um, I don't
47:25
know that it would be a good idea to do a lease payment. I mean, I could check on it, but I I feel like it would be
47:31
better to specifically say we bought one heart monitor or one heart monitor and one CPR device or
47:46
so we would we would own one if we did it that way. we would own one and still
47:52
be leasing the rest. Is that and and I could check to see if the OA
47:57
funding could do partial lease payments. I mean they if you were going to do it
48:03
like that I would say they would fund part uh part of the first year. Uh I
48:09
don't think it would something that they would say okay I'm going to put 50,000 every year towards this. Um I think it
48:16
would have to be something that would be voted on per year.
48:28
At the purchase of one, we've dropped that no that lease payment for
48:38
and again we haven't approached the hospital foundation. So with healthy foundation health foundation uh sorry the so the
48:46
the uh uh the purchase of two would help lower that that lease cost
48:54
but right now what you want is approval of a lease and and and while the amount probably can we can do some adjustment
49:00
on that but the term is what you're going to have to get set um I have to send the full proposal to
49:06
them what we plan on doing um the term the amount that I'll have to send the
49:11
amount as well. So if we went subsequent to this meeting, we came back and we said, "Okay, we want to we want to purchase
49:18
one through X revenue stream." That would change that amount. So we'd have
49:24
to start over from scratch. I I think you would have to send another proposal to the state.
49:30
What about if we just sent the proposal for four to state and then we bought two? We couldn't get no money, could we
49:36
not pull it out of the general fund or something to buy two and then that way our state proposal stays the same for
49:42
four of them. Or don't say that again. Like if you just lease four of them to
49:49
send it to the state and then we just if we couldn't if the oper board and the hospital board, we couldn't get the full funding for two, couldn't we pull the
49:55
rest of the money out of the general fund to pay for it? I mean, to make up the difference, I mean, you could do any of those
50:02
options. Um, Again, the general fund, we're kind of
50:07
mid year. Our taxes are just now coming in. I'm not sure exactly where we're going to be at this end of this budget.
50:13
So, I'm always careful on
50:22
I'm hearing all this, but what we're looking for tonight is a recommendation from the budget committee to recommend
50:28
to the county court and that's going to give us two weeks for to
50:33
work out some of the details. But a yes tonight is not going to handcuff us handcuff us in any way.
50:41
if I'm seeing this right on what we do and we'd have two weeks to talk about what Matthew's talking about some other
50:47
options to I'm rolling two or three different things around in my head but
50:53
the more we talk about it the more confused we're all going to get
50:58
but am I not am I seeing that wrong right now is there a motion on the floor there's not
51:04
no sir but but if we can craft a motion simply to recommend to the full body to pursue
51:10
this nothing's really going to happen until we meet the fourth Monday of the month.
51:15
But I think the recommendation would be to get a specific leasing option. The recommendation is to be able to
51:22
proceed by asking the state controller if this is an option because we would have to get approval from them before we
51:28
bring it back to commission. So if if they didn't get back to me before commission met, then it would be the
51:35
following month. uh just depends. Sometimes they're really quick, sometimes they're not.
51:41
Well, my question is some kind of some kind of affirmative action tonight to go to the full body that we can we're not
51:50
hurting ourselves on exploring these other options. And if I understand you right, it'll go to the full body, then
51:56
it'll go to the state. So, we could have as much as a month to six, eight weeks to to look at this. At no point in there
52:03
are we tied to a specific No, we're not. We're not tied, but it will go to the state before it comes to
52:08
county commission. It it it leaves tonight, then goes to the state controller, then comes back to
52:15
county full court. And if we make adjust when it lands back in the county commission at that point in time, if we make adjustments on it,
52:22
we're not going to make the state of Tennessee mad or anything. No, but I think it if you if you change
52:27
the proposal that was sent, I think it'll have to go back to the controller's office for approval. You go back to ground zero.
52:33
Yes. you'd have to read. My understanding, I'm sorry. My
52:40
understanding talking to the controllers's office when they uh approve these financing, they want to
52:46
know exactly what you're planning to do. They're looking at your terms. We're we're purchasing from a Savoc
52:52
cooperative. So, they're they're looking at the Savoc contract. They're making sure that we're in full compliance
52:57
before they approve it. And once we approve it, that resolution that we're bringing forth is going to mimic the
53:03
proposal to the state controllers's office. Now, you can change it, but I think it will go back to the
53:08
controllers's office to approve the changes, then we would move forward again. But it would seem to be reasonable to
53:15
state that if if we they approved seven and we come back and say, you know what, we're just going to finance five,
53:21
right? They would likely approve that. But it's going to go down if we're not
53:29
going to devise a way for it to go up.
53:35
Well, Chrisch,
53:40
right? Um, I believe the proposal that he sent me said March 16th. March 16th.
53:50
I I just don't want to do anything that's going to prevent us from tapping in to those other revenue streams like
53:55
the opioid board or the health foundation. So, if there's anything that we're doing
54:02
that's going to handcuff us on that, that's just what I want to make sure we don't do. I don't think anything uh will
54:08
prevent you from asking for that because like I said until county commission approves that full resolution to move
54:14
forward. This is just asking the state if it's okay to do this. So we can't
54:19
move forward until county commission tells us to move. Commissioner,
54:25
I know when the health foundation meets because I'm on that one, but when does the opioid board meet?
54:30
It's usually second Tuesday of every month. That'd be tomorrow. Well, we met early
54:35
this month, so it be next month. That would have been too easy. Sorry. Sorry.
54:41
Yeah. Be after the budget meeting next month. It's usually the day after
54:49
that schedule for next month's meeting modified. It could be tweaked a little
54:55
because if someone was to come to the health foundation at the meeting before
55:02
full court with request might have a answer about some of that. Then
55:22
just looking for a motion of what what do commission I'm going to go ahead and make a motion
55:28
and and again this is a caveat because we all know that we're trying to do some other things but at this point in time
55:33
we need to go ahead and prepare the documentation to purchase to to lease the
55:38
And the term, what term would you prefer? Three or six? Um, I would go with the six for
55:44
six. So the the to mean at least the seven for the six-year term, realizing
55:50
that our intention is between now and the time this thing gets the trigger pulled is for it to get to drop down
55:57
based on the ability to purchase outright from other revenue. Got a motion by Commissioner Nash,
56:03
second by Commissioner Mberry. Any discussion on the motion or any questions about the motion?
56:17
Should we roll call, I guess? Yeah. Steve Janis, yes. Jim Herren,
56:23
yes. Dusty Jordan, yes. Ron Mayberry, yes. Ricky Murray,
56:29
yes. Keith Nash, yes. Devin Pickard, yes. Ron Pucket, yes. Wayne Thomasson,
56:35
yes. Matthew Barnhill, yes. Bob Calcott, yes. Play Chester, yes. And Danny Clark,
56:41
yes. All present, voting, yes. Motion passes.
56:47
Next up, OPO funding update presentation.
56:53
So, um, I just wanted to kind of brief y'all on what was going on on the opioid
56:59
committee. Um, this past year, the county organizations
57:05
to help prevent, treat, and aid and recovery from opioid abuse in our county. Um $460,700
57:12
was dispersed to these organizations for multiple programs. Um some of the
57:19
programs that we ran was uh some just justice based programs that supported
57:25
adults and juveniles uh in our jail and justice systems, school-based programs
57:30
to help provide education and prevent drug use in our youth. uh community
57:35
based programs that increase awareness and community engagement and recovery to
57:41
support the needs and health of people in the recovery process that needs help
57:46
doesn't know where to go. Um we have ran into some challenges. Uh all of the
57:54
organizations uh have ha have did really well had good
58:00
intentions. There was um a audit done by the OBU board just to make sure that all
58:06
the spending was in the approved parameter. There's a few organizations that we're working with to pay back some
58:13
some of the funding, not because they had missed intentions, just because um
58:18
they just had other ideals and it just didn't fall what we thought the state
58:23
would allow. um because we had some of these challenges, the board was trying
58:29
to come up with a way that um we could better manage the money and still help
58:35
all the agencies in the county. Uh the what they uh recommendation from UT
58:42
Smart Initiative was a navigator, whether it be a contracted service or part-time position. And then I'm going
58:48
to let the county mayor talk to you a little bit about that.
58:56
I'm awake. I just cleared my throat. Sorry. Um, as you know, u Crystal and I are are
59:04
advisors on the opioid board. We don't have any voting rights on there.
59:09
However, um, the last time we met, actually, they've been talking about it for a couple of months now, was was
59:15
using a central navigator to kind of oversee the funds.
59:21
um but have no authority issuing them out. They would still have to come to the meetings and things like that. Um
59:28
but what they are is they they're a navigator would ensure the effective, transparent, compliant use of all the
59:35
opioid settlements funds. Um they'll coordinate, plan, and
59:40
implement and report with community collaboration related to
59:46
the opioid response initiative. Um, they're going to serve they would
59:52
serve as a central point of contact pretty much instead of instead of seven
59:58
people on this board trying to contact everybody, there would just be one person and then that person would would
1:00:05
go to the board and explain what was going on. Um, they they would work
1:00:11
between the healthc care providers, law enforcement, behavioral health organizations, and all the community partners.
1:00:17
Um the responsibilities will be identifying evidence-based programs
1:00:23
while assisting with funding recommendations and tracking all the expenditures and ensuring compliance
1:00:28
with settlement guidelines and preparing all the required reports. Now I said that to say this. Crystal's been keeping
1:00:35
up with that. I've been in there several days and Crystal's been banging her head on the desk. Um she's usually got a red
1:00:43
mark about right here. Um, so it's a lot for her to keep up with.
1:00:49
That's why the uh opioid board recommended we go to a navigator. Now, this navigator they would like to be
1:00:57
maybe a part-time position. Um, a contracted position is funded solely
1:01:03
through the opioid settlement proceeds. It's no impact on the county's general
1:01:09
fund whatsoever. Um,
1:01:14
I kind of want to back up and and and and kind of speak to Mr. Nash because he asked a question a while ago about the
1:01:20
the the funding of the cardiac monitors um even through opioid um
1:01:28
according to the state we can probably purchase a monitor
1:01:34
um because there's a certain percentage that we can use for that. So, so I agree
1:01:40
with with what county commission is trying to do. I agree wholeheartedly.
1:01:45
Um, so that's pretty much it. That's that's
1:01:51
if you got any questions, I'll be I'll be glad to answer them for you. Crystal can answer some questions either
1:01:58
way. How many people's own board? There are seven. Uh, there's seven board
1:02:05
members and Crystal and myself are adviserss. Okay. When when you picked out these 10
1:02:11
uh groups, organizations, h how were they selected? There was a
1:02:19
there was Chris, you might have to help me out because there there's a lot. They had an application process they had to
1:02:25
go through. Um they had to request funding. They had to tell what the funding was for.
1:02:32
Um we had to have contracts drew up. Am I on the right track? had to have contracts drew up u through the county
1:02:40
attorney for them to sign to make sure that was following under the state guidelines of of the the paragraph E I'm
1:02:47
going to use it's it's what can it's what the state says that the opioid funding can be used for so that it it's
1:02:55
a long process actually and when when these groups
1:03:03
of the board or whatever I assume the board that you know these funds are only
1:03:08
useful for these certain things and can't be used for any other stuff that I'm just looking here on
1:03:15
here. I don't why what what was um I
1:03:20
have no idea what was some of this uh you know you we're getting some of the money back. Uh it says no misuse was
1:03:28
funds intended. What what were some of them used for? I don't have any idea what what caused some of the problems.
1:03:36
This is just of Pearl Town housing fully refunded.
1:03:41
We were going to do a the opioid committee did a audit and when uh Pearl
1:03:47
Town Housing was contacted, they chose to give the money back instead of go through the audit.
1:03:54
They refunded the some of this partial uh funding. Bernard
1:03:59
uh community what what was some of the funding used for?
1:04:05
Okay, so the Bernard Community Center uh they thought they were in compliance based on u they did their bathrooms to
1:04:14
be ADA compliant to run some of the programs, but uh the state says that that was not part of what it could be
1:04:21
used for. So we're working up a payment plan for them to pay that back. Um, and
1:04:28
they're also presenting an incon proposal to the opioid board to look
1:04:34
over. Some of the other ones were minor things. Um, I mean, I like I'd like to know. I mean,
1:04:40
like United Way. Is there a United Way in Hickman County? There is a United Way.
1:04:45
Where are they located, Jim? I don't know. Uh, they have no they have no building
1:04:51
here as per se, but they are they are they do a lot of work anyway. They're
1:04:56
very active. They are. Okay. I I I just I didn't know if any who who who was in charge of
1:05:01
United Way here. Is anybody? Debbie Rainey. Debbie Rainey. And then I think they've got Katie
1:05:08
Harrington um is actually working under her. She's the one that goes out to the schools and does education and things
1:05:15
like that. Okay. Hope and recovery.
1:05:21
Um hope and recovery. Uh there is some uh charges um that the opio board didn't
1:05:28
think that would fall under the state uh like rip some religious materials and things like things like that. There was
1:05:35
also some um dental charges and eyeglass charges that the um UT smart said that
1:05:42
they thought that we could utilize that if they u did like a vetting program where they um went through and made sure
1:05:50
that it was from opioid addiction like the dental work and things like that but they didn't have
1:05:56
that at them to pay that back. Um, and then there was another one,
1:06:03
Booker D. I think uh there was some marketing that they're paying back, but they marketing does fall under that. Uh,
1:06:12
but they they volunteered to pay the marketing back, but they also have some eyeglass charges and maybe some dental
1:06:18
charges that they're paying back as well. So, these are going to people that are
1:06:24
are addicted to Yes. They're they're trying to help. I mean, their heart is in a good place.
1:06:30
Anybody validate that or is that just Well, well, that's why they're paying back some of that is because they didn't
1:06:37
um document some of that some of the things that needed to be documented.
1:06:45
We didn't get the Tim Waltz down here to run this. Did they
1:06:53
commission on the navigator? Mayor, what what are some of the other counties that are
1:06:59
doing? Are they having some of the similar problems? Well, actually, yes, they are having similar problems. However, um when Mr.
1:07:07
um Trevor was here, um Hickman County is kind of leading
1:07:13
this pack, if that makes any sense. We're we're right where we need to be according to the state as far as um the
1:07:20
way we're doing things. Um when we sat down with him and and we we talked
1:07:26
extensively about a navigator, um the state seems to think it's a great idea.
1:07:32
He said there was correctly if I'm wrong, there was a couple of counties that have navigators. Is that right?
1:07:40
Um and I haven't had a chance to talk to those counties, but um he said that's pretty much the way to
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go because it centralizes everything into one person.
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Sure. that one person comes before the board and explains whatever they need to explain and then and then they vote on
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it and then they just go in the process from there. But they're keeping up with all the paperwork basically not to keep
1:08:04
it out of the finance office because obviously Crystal has to know where those funds are going. Um and a
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navigator can't just issue money like say the sheriff's department needed something. They can't just go okay
1:08:16
here's a check. They can't do that. It has to go completely through the opioid board.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and it's been a learning process for all of us. This is it's something new that's
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across the state and we're just trying to work the bugs out.
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I got Commissioner Nash, Commissioner Thomasson, Commissioner Clark, and then Commissioner Mayberry.
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Commissioner N. Um, we have seven members of that board, and we have
1:08:48
the mayor and Crystal as advisor. Y'all don't y'all don't vote. Y'all just kind of facilitate that. Um, you're talking
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about a navigator that's job is to not vote, but to facilitate. Uh, and I kind
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of have an issue with hiring somebody to tell me how to spend money when I really
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think I mean, as much as I I love both of you, that's y'all's job. Y'all need to go do your job. Mayor, this is your
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job. I I have a I mean I have a real difficult time hiring somebody to go do
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what it seems to me is it's a shortterm problem and
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you know you got a a woman a lady that works in your office you that's your staff you need to go do that I just
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don't think that we need to be trying to spend money to learn how to spend money
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that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me now you know I'm that's my that's my position And you know, I can be, you
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know, conjol to be maybe something different, but my my step one is now I'm
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sorry, but you have to buckle down, go do your job. So I
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Commissioner Thompson, I was going to ask the mayor whether not
1:10:09
he thought the full the fulltime or part-time or contracted, but based on
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Commissioner Nash's comments, you know, I don't know that that's necessary.
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Mr. Clark, well, Keith read my mind.
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on on how we can handle it. I'm also thinking
1:10:35
you've got a seven member board. U I get I get the boards and everything. Are
1:10:41
there any rules in place that we couldn't streamline that board? Seven. if that were three people and
1:10:49
there's a lot of passion for uh this whole opioid thing and could we find
1:10:56
three good people that would really be on top of it and that way the workload wouldn't fall totally on Jim and Crystal
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because I've got a real problem with paying somebody to give the money away be because of the need for the money
1:11:09
within the opioid thing and what Mr. Post was saying the need for the monitors is there uh I don't think we
1:11:15
got any any payroll money in it. Could Could we And I'm not I'm not knocking
1:11:20
the board that's in place now because I'm I'm not on it, but you would think you could find a more work brickle board
1:11:28
to do this too and and handle their part of it. I I really it it's going to take
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a lot of cajoling for me to vote to pay somebody to give away money
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because I can't vote for it and apply for the job. is part of my problem. That'd be that'd
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be a pretty good job to have getting a paycheck to give money away as a paid Santa Claus
1:11:52
is what it is. I may have said too much, but the we need to look at some other
1:11:57
aspects. Can how much of this can we handle? And would it be any easier if the if the board wasn't as bulky? I I
1:12:05
heard rumors of a a county that had 21 county commissioners and went to 14 and
1:12:11
the world got better from what I understand.
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Anything else, Commissioner Clark? That's it. Commissioner, I I I agree with Commissioner Clark,
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Commissioner Nash said. I mean, I guess I'm talking to the mayor. Do you think
1:12:29
that committee's kind of learn I mean, it was new. The committees kind of learned from their mistakes. one would one would think uh and if they hadn't
1:12:37
streamlined it till they till they get it figured out but even if we hired this person all this stuff has got to come in
1:12:44
front of that same committee to get rubber stamped yes or no so I I I think
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we we're on the right track of maybe naring narrowing that down
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uh if I'm not wrong that committee is fixing to change as well some coming off that board.
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I will say I believe Commissioner Well,
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Carla was on on that board, but we have not replaced her on that board. And I
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think it would probably be wise if we did reply. And I'm not applying for that
1:13:26
job. I think that it would behoove us to to
1:13:31
have a commissioner on that board because obviously if we're approving some of this, it it does help to have
1:13:37
one of us talking to it at least in the end in the know.
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You stand in your place with the commission. That's correct. Right. Okay. The commissioner that used to sit right
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here used to be on the board. So Ryan sitting
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another one in the office. Commissioner Boss,
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I nominate David Pickard for the spot.
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I I honestly would be happy to do it, but I have a conflict because I'm a pastor of hope, the church, hope and
1:14:14
recovery that is a part of it. So, I'd be delighted to do it, but I don't know that I
1:14:20
would be to do it. Well, I thank you, though. I think it's something we need to think
1:14:25
about. If there's somebody that can that can serve on the board, I think it'd be good. And I'm not Well, that's not budget. That's not budget business.
1:14:31
That's correct. On Mr. Thompson's motion. That's not budget business. We can do that in a
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couple of weeks. Yeah. I think that'd be good. I I
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I believe there's people wanting to offer that board too and we could just not we could just not replace them in
1:14:48
the in the pairing down unless there's a rule somewhere it says these entities have to be represented and it takes
1:14:54
seven people but I'm I'm other than us I don't think there is any of that that
1:15:00
stipulation is the sheriff's department law enforcement required is is uh is the
1:15:05
hospital are medical people required to be on it There was no requirements according to
1:15:12
the state. However, I did call around every county, especially in South Central region, and we're the smallest
1:15:19
one. We're the smallest board.
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Um, when I had a mayor in Marshall County tell me there was 22 people on his, all
1:15:33
I could think about was former county commissioner. And I don't mean no pun in that. I just
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So I I chose took it upon myself to do seven.
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Mr. Kai, did you have something? I'm sorry. I've changed my mind on the way to ask
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my question. So I'm good. Okay. Any other discussion on this or any
1:16:01
motion that anybody would like to make? Anyway, we could see that like where the funding
1:16:08
went to or whatever some of the ones were used for that they're sending back or the audit result in-depth audit results
1:16:15
is what it sounds like. And there's also uh the minutes that's going to be in your packets. They're very detailed on all of the audits. So
1:16:21
there's a lot of information in there if y'all would read over those when y'all get them. And if not, uh there's all the
1:16:29
information in my office if anybody wants to stop by and look at it. Commissioner Herren, I I do remember
1:16:35
when they had the applications, if I'm not mistaken, there was more there were some that were denied based off of what
1:16:42
the request was and there was a pretty structured process to award and to rate
1:16:49
those um particular it.
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All right. Anything else on that? And then if not, the last thing is the
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um what is the last thing? Budget schedule. Budget schedule. So you should have
1:17:12
received a copy of that in your packet. Any questions or adjustments to that and
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I I requested Crystal to send that over to the school as well because that was one that last year when we moved it up
1:17:25
because we did have in June we moved it up a month earlier. um the school they b
1:17:32
they find out some of their funding a little later so that's kind of the last one to roll in. Um but any any uh
1:17:39
feedback on that?
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Do we need a motion for that? Um usually we approve it before I send it out to the committees. I mean not to
1:17:54
the committees but to the department heads. Make motion to approve. Got a motion by Commissioner Nash. Second by
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Commissioner Her. Any discussion on that? All in favor say I. I. Oppos. Eyes have it.
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Any other Commissioner Nash? Uh I know we've been here a long time and I apologize. I won't take very much
1:18:13
of your time. Um everything I'm about to get you tell
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you, I'm going to uh PDF up and I'll send it out to everybody tomorrow in a
1:18:24
PDF in the email. Um, I get asked these questions and one of those one or a
1:18:29
statement and that is taxes are too high
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and all I can say is yes, I think they always aren't too high, but
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there seems to have been several months ago some sort of thought process in
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the community that Hitman County was the tax too high are out of control. You
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know, tax rates are exploding. I don't I don't even know all the comments I
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remember hearing. Um, and I really didn't know how to answer that question. I mean, I'll be the first
1:19:07
person to tell you I didn't. So, I had to do some investigative work to look at
1:19:13
this. Uh, you know, I tried to look at other communities around us, uh, and see
1:19:19
how to do that. It was really kind of challenging because, you know, in Hitman County, you know, if you look at
1:19:25
property taxes and services that are paid out of property taxes, you know, there's two entities. There's actually
1:19:31
the city has a component of it in property tax. The county has got a component. Other other counties have
1:19:38
multiple cities. I mean, you look at Dixon, they've got how many police departments and a sheriff's department
1:19:45
to handle public safety. So, but I really couldn't really look at I just had to just look at what we were doing
1:19:50
on the county level. And then I thought, how how can how can we, you know, categorize, how can we measure this
1:19:59
as opposed to what other communities are doing, what other counties are doing. And only way I knew to do it is you take
1:20:04
that that the county collection and you know that's what's running those county
1:20:10
services and you divide it by the number of people in the county. that tells you, okay, here's how much money each person
1:20:16
in that county essentially is paying in property tax. And those property taxes
1:20:22
are, as we all know, it's it's the it's the cornerstone of
1:20:27
how all of the services are funded. So, I went and did that. And again, I I'll
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send every bit of this to you guys uh with a couple other pieces of information, but so I went through it,
1:20:40
looked at property tax. Um you know, Williams County's got a lot of people,
1:20:45
several municipalities, plus they've got a huge funding stream called sales tax that we don't have, but their property
1:20:51
tax collection per person is $1396 a person. Now, don't quote me on every one
1:20:57
of these numbers. I had to kind of bounce around and look at the latest data, the latest census data, and and
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some of it could be a little change. Murray County, $759
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per person. Again, Spring Hill, Colombia, uh there's one other Mount Pleasant is a
1:21:16
municipality. So, this is very watered down numbers. Dixon
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County, $720 per person. Humphre County, $772
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per person. Lewis County, $371 per person.
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Hickman County, $590 per person.
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We're a little more. We're more than Lewis, but we're less than everybody else in the county. Property taxes are
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being paid. Then the will tax and again our will tax
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is at 3550. Whips County is 2570. Uh Murray's 25.
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Dixon is 60. Lewis County 65. Humphre County is is zero. I'm not sure how they
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get away with that, but that's cool. Um so to me, when I look at this, I go,
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well, anybody who wants to represent that Hickman County is overt taxed for that's that's that's hard for me to make
1:22:22
that argument. Hard for me to make that argument. But then I thought also, well, goodness gracious, you know, part of the
1:22:28
if you're running a business, you know, how much debt are you are you covering? How much debt are you holding? Again, same thing, debt per person.
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Williamson County has is carrying $4,400 and some change per person in debt.
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Murray County, $2,900 per person and some change in debt. Dixon County almost
1:22:52
$1,300 per person in debt. Humphre County 2,000 and some change. I believe
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H County got themselves in a pickle because they had some floods and some schools had to get paid for and they had
1:23:04
no way of doing it other than to go all our money. Lewis County, $553
1:23:10
per person. Hikman County, $586 per person. When I
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got on this a bunch of years ago in 2007, again, I asked Crystal this the other day that we were at $1,500 per
1:23:25
person. And so again, whether it's the debt that we're carrying or the amount of property tax that's being used to go
1:23:33
do the services that we've all agreed to, it it's challenging for me to sit there and say anything. But if somebody
1:23:40
says if property taxes are too high, I'm still going to say yeah,
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but I'm going say but not compared to everybody else. And the other thing that that came out of this study when I did
1:23:52
this, and I'm going to send all this to you guys, is that
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growth doesn't equal lower taxes.
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None of this shows us that growth leads to lower taxes. In fact, the right
1:24:13
growth, the wrong growth rather leads to higher taxes.
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And so as we're going to start looking at the new budget and and the and the will and the land use t the land use
1:24:25
plan we need to consider that because that does not you there's it's a myth
1:24:33
that somehow you can you know have this exploding growth and somehow that's not
1:24:38
going to impact the services that are required and the services are required
1:24:43
are are you know got to be paid for property tax. That's how we do it. You
1:24:48
know, somebody did say something the other night and I want to make sure I made this clear that, you know, the last
1:24:54
couple years, you know, Hitman County spent a lot of money and we have um we made, I think, an unprecedented
1:25:03
investment in public safety in the last four years in this county.
1:25:08
Unprecedented. I don't think I've been on this co for almost 20 years. have never seen us do what we did in the last
1:25:15
four years because we have a a partner right over there that we felt that he
1:25:20
had our confidence and he has shown us to be confident of our trust and we've
1:25:26
invested money that we've never invested before ever in public safety. But you
1:25:32
know what? As much money as we gave that guy, there's unintended consequences.
1:25:38
Sheriff, we see that in the jail budget now, don't we? We took them off the streets and it's cost us more money. We
1:25:45
got more people in jail. So, there's still unintended consequences, but we did the right thing. Our streets are
1:25:50
safer. But but what we did, we didn't do spend a bunch of money flippantly. And I'm looking at all all y'all all of us
1:25:57
did it. We we made an unprecedented investment in public safety. And yeah,
1:26:03
that that that hurt us. That cost us some money. But it seems to me at this point in time, it's it's well worth it.
1:26:10
But we're still going to have to have some struggles because again, all we've done is took the bad guys off the street
1:26:15
and now we're paying for their healthcare in some cases and we need to work on that as well. And and Judge Lane
1:26:22
is doing a good job of helping us, you know, get that population count down. But you guys, y'all need to y'all needed
1:26:29
to have this information in front of you. If somebody comes in and says, "Hey, Pickman County's taxes
1:26:36
are too high." Well, say yeah, but not compared to everybody else. And we're not going to sit there and you can't
1:26:44
look at this at any of these numbers and say that somehow unmanaged growth is going to help us.
1:26:51
Unmanaged growth is going to kill us if we're not careful. So, I will I'll bundle this up and send that all out to
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you and I there'll be a couple other studies that you'll have with it and but I just wanted to give you guys this. I I
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said the other night that I'd bring it. There it is.
1:27:09
One other thing about new business. Next budget meeting we have talk with Casey
1:27:15
and we are going to play around a little bit with the voting
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so everybody can be comfortable with it before we have the full meeting in
1:27:26
February. Is that right, Casey? So we'll be able to at least test it, do some
1:27:32
mock uh voting, that sort of thing. We may um you know I don't know we vote on
1:27:38
Casey's hair color or something. So we look we're looking forward to that.
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Any other new business? I look forward to that motion. I got all
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the cops. Second by commissioner. Oh, Mayberry.
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