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Health, Safety & Properties · Meeting · Mar 2, 2026
Mar 2, 2026
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Number 01.
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I've been there. Wow.
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I got tips for him.
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conversation. How are you, sir? Good.
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Yeah, you're already ready. You want me? Look here. Look at my
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battle. Two mascot, one heart.
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You believe that? Yeah. So, all I can do is sit by Barnhill over there. He'll be throwing
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elbow.
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I'll explain rudder not
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whoever
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will
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soon bail again.
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edition of the public safety meeting to order.
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Ricky Murray here let me know he'll be about five minutes
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late here. Thank you. Barnhill here.
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Danny Clark here
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Jim Haring here. Jordan here. Ron Mayberry here. Ron P.
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We have
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You can bring it to me. First order of business is to approve the agenda to approve.
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Second motion by Ron Mayberry. Second by Todd.
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Any discussion on the agenda?
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All those in favor say I. The agenda approved. Becky, you're the
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only name on this. Usually the only one. I'm here to just
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speak about the HCA proposal, the Hickman County attractions. Um, just my
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personal opinion that it's setting a dangerous precedent. Uh, you have volunteers that run all of the county
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facilities. The ballparks bring in state championships that up the revenue uh by
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um bringing in all these teams that pay for five days of hotel and gas and food.
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Um and you're not paying anybody to run that. Um personally, I feel like the
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best thing to do would be to reestablish the parks and wreck department and pay somebody to do that that can cover all
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your ball fields, your a pavilion. Um, expanding on that, I think that's a a
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better way to spend county money on a specific parks and rights issue.
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Take a motion to seen the minutes. They were all emailed out just like they always are. I'll take
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a motion to approve those. Motion to approve. Motion
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Jordan, seconded by Matthew Barnhill. All those in favor say I. Oppos.
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Motion carries. We're at the monthly reports.
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You're sitting on the other side. I said you didn't
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EMS we ran 321 calls in the month of January. Our collections were $59,118.96.
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Uh charges were $275,772. Um
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we accept financial report.
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Motion by Commissioner Collins, second by Commissioner Mayberry to accept the financial report.
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Go ahead and vote on that. Ricky Murray, yes.
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Keith Nash. Deon Picker, yes.
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Matthew Barnhill, yes. Calut, yes. Clark, yes. Todd Collins,
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yes. Wayne Thomasson, yes. Yes.
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Jordan, yes. Ron, yes. I miss anybody that's here.
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All presc
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three times for for region six. Um on uh
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September 10th, 2025, one of our crews were dispatched to uh track trailer
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accident on Highway 50 and 100. Uh it was an 18 versus the cliff down here
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below Kos. On arrival, they found an 18-wheeler with major intrusion to the
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passenger compartment. The intrusion was so significant the crew did not locate the driver. At first uh the motor had
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come to rest in the passenger compartment. Uh me cable fire arrived on the scene and began to extricate the
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patient. Lifellight was called and they arrived on scene before the patient was extricated. Uh once uh the technical u
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uh rescue was completed by simple fire. Our crew along with life were able to
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access the and treat the severely injured patient providing uh life saving
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interventions uh for the outstanding response and treatment of this patient. H county MS
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central fire county central dispatch were nominated for uh the star of life
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award. This is a prestigious award that is given for excellence in EMS technical
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skills. Um there are eight of these awards given out each year across the
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state and we are honored uh to receive the region six star of life award. I'd
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like to recognize um Senator Hen County Central Dispatch and our crew
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I don't know if any of them made it or not. We had them lined up to be here but the 911 had different ideas I think.
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Sue Fiser Tony Estri paramedic Patterson Huterson and AMT Dawson service. On May
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13th, these individuals will will attend a ceremony in Murphy'sboro and receive
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their uh reward. I just like to thank them for their service to our county.
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Uh we've uh been sweating the the budget with our overtime and and part-time
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individuals uh with the um AES and and Wintertorm Firm. Uh it it looks like
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we're going to sweep by uh without having to to dip into uh coffers uh any
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deeper. We're at six.23% 3% of the budget year and our parttime
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is at 67.61 and our overtime is at 58.08.
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So um hopefully if nothing else happens we'll we'll be good. U I do want to
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report on staffing. Um for about eight months we were we were fully staffed. Um
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and that uh that has come to an end. Metro Grantwood and other larger departments are hiring and losing
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employees. We currently have two paramedic slots open and no applicants um to even interview to fill those
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spots. Um I've had one paramedic come to me and tell me he just can't afford to
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buy a house in Pippen County and raise his family uh on on on what he's making
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and he's started the process of applying elsewhere uh to
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go for higher pay. Uh if he leaves, I'll make three paramedics that we've that we've lost uh the last 90 days. Um we we
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just continually find ourselves in a cycle of hiring training and those we
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get to a point of being season they move off somewhere else and we have to start
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that that cycle over again. Um I hope I hope we can think about this issue as
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we're coming into the the budget process. Our our employees have proven
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themselves time and time again. They've proven themselves daily. They have proven their dedication and
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professionalism uh as they responded to the AES closure
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and um and also to winter storm burn uh as our employees along with the
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sheriff's department employees uh spent multiple multiple overtime shifts in a
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row some up to 72 hours u helping with those uh with those events. Um, we get
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calls from patients all the time thanking our employees for what they do, for their professionalism. Uh, we have
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uh couple that called and just a few days ago and wanted to thank their angels uh
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for saving their lives out of a traffic accident and they and they truly did save their lives. Um,
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you know, we we've cut back some of the spinning that that we've been doing on our employees. We no longer uh offer to
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send them to paramedic school because we just had a hard time guaranteeing the recruitment on on that. We'd ask them to
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stay 24 months and if they stay 24 months, you know, county cover that and
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and we were just having them leave and we were having to pay um having to pay
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um attorney fees and stuff like that to money. feel like that was a smart move and and so we're not we're not boosting
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our own paramedics any longer. Um if you think about what our our free do um you
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think well they should get the pay that that uh the bigger departments get but what what we don't consider is um our
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employees have critical patients for longer transport time than any other
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county around here u longer than Dixon u longer than um than than Williamson
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County much much longer than what Metro does. Metro if they have a patient for 20 minutes that's long transport for
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them. Sometimes our paramedics are working with critical patients for over an hour trying to get them to a um a
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level one trauma center or up to a higher level of care than what's
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provided. Um what we're paying right now we're just not attracting quality
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talent. As I said, we don't have any paramedic um uh applications.
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Um and when we do hire, we have to really sift who we hire because at the rate we're paying, you know, what we
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get, we get the ones who who can't work anywhere else. We have to be really
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careful because I don't want to turn just anyone loose. Um treat the the
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citizens of of our county. Uh so so we have to be very very careful in in what
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we do. Uh so so we sit through and hope uh that that we can find the ones that
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uh will be able to uh to do the job that's required of them and to have the
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same standards as as the rest of them as we've been uh given this far of life
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award. Um, right right now we're asking our advanced uh emergency medical
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technicians to u uh to do more than they've ever done before. The state has up their scope of practice to where
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they're able to um give firstline cardiac drugs and also transmitted an
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EKG over the the airways to a doctor.
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That that's new that's a new skill for them. They're also given pain meds.
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That's a new skill for them. And reason these things are happening because people have a hard time finding paramedics and they're having enough
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skills of of the lower levels so that the treatment can be given and there's a
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few other meds that they can give uh that they weren't able to give. So we're asking more of them uh and and they're
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they're earning less. So so I hope as we come into the time budget planning and preparation that we can consider not
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only EMS but other county employees that perform vital services uh for our
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citizens. Does anybody have any questions for Mr.
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I have a comment. I would like to have make the suggestion that what you read about the award be
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read again on our monthly meeting. Get those in notes and out
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too this meeting.
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I would like to say this while we're at this point. I've been here 16 years, going on 16 years. It's been a problem
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since day one. All of you
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should take this probably the most serious that the things that we do. There's nothing like getting a phone
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call from a pleading loved one. There's not ambulance available. Please find me.
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They're dying. I cannot get them in. There is no answer.
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So when we do consider our budget time, our paramedics are those that do things
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that others can't do. We pay that high cost insurance and everything else.
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We're fixing to have a huge turnover here in this room. Took me two, three
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years to figure that out and have gotten from it. I never would have realized what all this entails because if you cut
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that set back and we don't fix the problem it could be
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a while before we do ladies and gentlemen look around the room we're not getting any younger
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and we're the ones depend on him anytime so I would I would echo what good has
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said consider this look for where that money can come from figure out how we
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can do that make sure that this Anybody
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else? That brings us to you.
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Apologies again for being late. I did get information in your packet today.
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We've been in response recovery since the 24th of January.
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I would like to just hit some highlights. January 19th
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when we started our preparation for this storm to hit, we had already set up
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shelter planning, equipment, staging, and coordinating with other agencies to get everything in
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line for this. I want to just again I'm just going to hit some highlights.
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Our initial contractor strike team
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to begin with look like about and this is all
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approximate we're looking at about $41,000 there material operational
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supplies at about 10,000 our MS disaster coordination piece of
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that was about 35,000 this brought us to approximately $60,000 that was spent in
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January and this does not include force account labor, our overtime or
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additional for other departments and fuel needs. All that be coming from
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our finance department. Looking into
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the metrics going into February, you know, looking at numbers, we had
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approximately 118 work orders set up.
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throughout all of those the last seven days closure rate was about four per day
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trying to get those knocked down and done survey sites we a total of 224 of those
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in the county looking at
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additional operational cost going into February we're at approximately uh
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$53,000 for contract services rental equipment We're looking at about $22,000.
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Additional materials was another $3,000.
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Grand total looking at it just this is approximate number. We're looked at $157,100.
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That does not count over time or additional fuel costs for other agencies that were brought in under emergency.
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I would like to say all of this should be recoupable through our PA. We did get
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both mayor sign. We should be able to recoup that money back into
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the county. And the only other thing that I'd like to bring up is lessons learned through
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this uh the mitigation piece of this is we started the grant process for
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generators for EMS stations and our fire station looking at
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approximate estimated cost right now is going to be for three generators is going to be $120,000
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will be hooked up to the gas that's already there. work with that. The grant shows 12%
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match. I'm still working with the city. City still under the agreement that
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they'll do 6% of that. So, we're looking at county's responsible piece of that will
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be around $7,200 and we should hopefully be able to work toward generators for
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biggest motivator through that. There's still a lot of challenges going through
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this last phase. I would like to say this, the fire departments out of five fire departments, they average 700 hours
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of volunteer time during this storm that averaged about 3500 hours. Uh team
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Rubicon that came in, they stayed three weeks, they averaged about 210 hours,
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man hours per week. So that brought it up to 630 hours. That's a total of 4,100
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hours that we use to the inind to pay the 25% match that it's going to take
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for that PA money to come back in. So, I'm really thinking that we do all of
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our documentation the way that it's been going that it shouldn't cost us anything. We should get return all this
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money back to us. Uh PA right now, like I said, we're looking at 150,000
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not counting the that has been rolled over into finance due to overtime and
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fuel. The IIA piece of this individual assistance part in averages is about
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$4.75 a person which brings us to about $120,000 that we have to meet in the
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county. They told us we met that we have that number. Now the issue is we still
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do not have an answer the assistance. So, we're still waiting on
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the federal government to give us that answer. And everything else is in your packet.
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Quick down. You can read overbody
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question. Did you say three generators?
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Yes, sir. I'm looking at generator for EMS station one. City Fire Station one
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and also MS station two. Those are the three that I feel like the
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grant that we have that'll match that'll fit the criter
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and and I know you No, that's fine. Whatever you
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I can understandbody else.
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I just want to say we of all we got a lot of thank yous to give out to a lot of people but certainly Pete Sarah so
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many people throughout this event. I know there's only so much only so many things you do to prepare. even if you
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know this huge ice storm is coming, you can't there's not a lot, you know, and so I just I for one just want to thank
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you guys and all your people for all you did. I know it was tough, a lot of long hours,
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not a lot of sleep, going hungry, all the things. But uh and I also think that we some of us were able to attend a
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meeting and and you acknowledged how that even the people in these respective portions of the
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county pleasant at LS whatever that they are really some of the true first
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responders that you couldn't have done what you did until they were able to get out and that ain't what they do for a living but they just did it because it
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was the right thing to do. So we we as bad as things can sometimes be, we are beyond blessed in this community for
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people who just want to serve and do the right thing. And so I appreciate what you guys did and facilitating all the
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things with all the different meals. Team Rubicon, what they did, those are
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just some real servants. Those folks are real servants. So we I know there's still a lot of work to be done, but
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thank you for all that you did. I think you deserve that.
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Do you have anything?
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Excuse me, Mr. Sheriff. Uh, I sorry I did not get the report out. We responded
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to we had 143 calls for service last month. Um, which
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is usually about our average. We stay between,00500. So through there, 1403 last month.
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Hard for people to cause trouble with road.
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Yeah, we're uh we uh we had Mike I think what two or three weeks uh kind of
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assigned him to him and Johnny both assigned him to Pete cutting trees and he's actually running Mike was running
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one of the the highway department's moving trucks trying to remove stuff off side of the road. So we was trying to
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help out as much as we could with that. We had MA crews out working.
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We uh and I think I mentioned this here a few months ago. Um the Methodist church uh donated a bus to us
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that they were not going to be using anymore. So they donated to us we could use it. Uh we uh Pete actually come and
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got that and had his saw trailer hooked it. So we actually had the inmates in the bus going around cutting trees up
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and making clear some roadways out. So, it worked really good and I appreciate Pete
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working on that and getting that uh getting that done. He uh he called me one day and he said, "Where you at?" I
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said, "I'm pulling back up the office." He said, "Stay there. I'm pulling in." And he comes pulling in in the bus with the trailer behind him. It was It's a
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good setup. So, um our jail population, we're at 125. So,
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we're quite a bit down from where it was. We're making some progress.
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As soon as people are getting sentenced, we're trying to get them moved on to the state as fast as possible. That's
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helping out tremendously. So, we're a lot better from the 185 190 that we was
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at. Um, the courts have really been moving good
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here recently, so we're making some progress with that. Um, couple things. I
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know, uh, Commissioner Collins, you want to speak on this nuisance?
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Whenever you're ready. if you want to go ahead and start us off that I'll be glad to speak on it as
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well. Well, are you through with your support? Um, you think that's good to you? Well,
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tell you what, yeah, we got a couple things we want to discuss if it's all right. The only reason I say that, Jason, is we
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we've got those two resolutions on the agenda and we'll roll right into that finisher.
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Come back to
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I know nobody wants to talk about the jail and we try to push it off because right
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now we're we're kind of in the unknown. Um and we don't know if we we need to
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expand or what we got is going to work or we're going to have to build a facility or whatever the case is. And we
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have tried to push off our surveillance system in there as far as possible. So,
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we're currently facing a litigation issue uh in the courthouse and the
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camera system here according to our attorneys is not great. Uh these cameras
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actually will skip two or three seconds and they will not capture things. U the
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same thing is going on in the jail. We had a allegation of potential uh there
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was an allegation of use of force. So when we watch the camera system in
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the jail, it doesn't capture the guy trying to attack the deputy. It captures
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the deputy uh you know have to take the guy to the ground. Luckily that deputy
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had a body camera on and that portion captured where he tried to attack him.
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So, these are some of the things that we're going to face in the future and litigation and things like that. So, we
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asked the company to come in and give us a quote on changing these camera systems
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out. So, he gave us a quote for the actual sheriff's office, which we can
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suspend. We don't need to change that one out at this current time, but he gave us a quote for the U
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courthouse, which you'll see on there. The courthouse is 875. And what that'll
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do is change out the retention date. So as of right now in this courthouse, we have a fiveday retention. So if
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something happens today and we don't hear about it two weeks from now, it's gone. Uh we can't go back and get it.
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And y'all know in litigation, cameras can mean everything. So I believe that
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this expense right here will save us millions in the future. it will combat any allegation. Um like I said the jail
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to change that out the jail alone is 120,000 and then
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basically right now our retention period for the jail is about 3 weeks. So if we
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don't hear about something within that 3 week period, we can't go in and capture and save it. This is going to move our
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retention period up closer to six months. And then we also will have the ability to start adding cameras in if we
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want to expand out at a later date. So they will have u different plugins for
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us. So we won't have to change that system back out. Also, it gives us the ability to remote access where if I need
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to log in, he needs to log in, we can do it from home. We can log into facility
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and see what's going on. See what's happen. Just like he said. So if for some strange odd reason our jail was to be
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taken over, we don't know what's going on inside there. We have to get inside the jail to view the camera to be able
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to come up with a plan to try to take the jail back. That's also with the courthouse. The
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camera system is right over in there. So if for some strange odd reason they're having to court and the judge is taken
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hostage or some strange reason, we we can't see what's going on in there unless we access this room. That is
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going to combat that as well. So we will be able and they will be viewed uh
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through our towers. So if there's ever an issue in court, it' be immediate responses from that point in time. As it
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stands right now, something happens, they have whatever a break out or
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something, somebody's going to have to call 911 or notify one of the deputies up front. And you know, God forbid if
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something happened to one of the deputies up front, we're not going to know about it until that 911 call comes in. Uh so we'll that's also going to
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make immediate response, but just for litigation purposes alone, this will
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save us in the future and it will combat any allegation quickly.
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So, the ones that um if y'all remember here a few months ago, I came to y'all and spoke about uh the camera issues
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that we're having and then also that there's a a really good chance because we re completely redone our inmate
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medical this year that there's a possibility we'll have money left over in that line item that we could possibly
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move to take care and fix all this. So, I just want to throw that back out there is we may have the money there. It's
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already budgeted. when our next budget comes out, we'll be redoing it and that line will come down
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because we're not going to need as much. But that money's there. This is a great opportunity where we can use that and
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fix our problems that we have. And we currently have seven um I think that are
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not operational at this time. They're not covered under warranty. We had an incident uh about two years ago where
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one of the inmates just leaped off the top u on his own. He thought he could go
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to the hospital and get out of jail. Um, but the allegation that came out, the camera that faces over there, the
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allegation that came out was the sheriff threw him off the top. Luckily, the far camera captured it. But
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again, we would be having to combat that if we didn't have it over there. So, uh,
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these are just some things to think about as we push forward. We want to get these numbers to y'all as quickly as possible. And I apologize that I didn't
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have it together. I'm the reason why the sheriff didn't give us package in.
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Y'all have any questions in regards to that camera system? 190,000 total.
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Yes, sir. Does that cover the tower and all? We've had problems in the past. This is going
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to take care of all that. Yes, sir. It it will it will take care of every bit of it. This feed will actually go into the tower as well. So
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our tower operator will be monitoring those. They will fall in line with that.
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So they will monitor this during the day as well. So as people are coming and going, they see a problem, they can
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automatically hit the button and we can start moving. We got a grant not long ago right after
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I don't know. There was a lot done here, was there not?
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I'm not saying don't do it. If we're at that point, we don't want the same company coming in.
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Correct. And and that's one thing that we're we're on the verge of is because
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the the camera system we have now is not great. Uh and like I said, when it skips two or three seconds, those are very
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vital. Um because again you can make an allegation that a deputy, you know, used
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unwarranted force against you when in reality someone was trying to strike him with that camera was on that two or
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three second skip at that point in time. We've had in trying to download
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sorry where we've had instance where we've tried to save and download a portion of
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a video. So we do have it saved in a
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Five minute video may take 45 minutes to download it and save it.
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Your question was how old it is? It's roughly 20 years old. 20 years old.
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Been a problem for a while. Yes. Passed it several times. And like I said, we've been trying to push this off
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and push this off u until we can get just a little bit of clarification of
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what the future's going to look like. Uh but I think we we've reached that point to where we've we pushed it so much that
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it's time for us to get some type of corrective action. Right. This is cheaper than what we
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looked at when this was the reason we didn't get it price.
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And one of the big things that's going to be a huge help for the entire department is it gets both camera
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systems working together. So right now we're operating on three completely different camera systems. The courthouse
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has its own camera system, the jail has its own camera system, and the sheriff's office had its own camera system. So
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we're getting everything everything the jail and courthouse on the same system our offices we're not
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concerned about that we still roll with what we have on it for a while but at least it gets everything I guess the
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most important stuff in my opinion taken care of in on one system
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if there's not an objection maintenance director like put something in
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like they have in the jail right now currents
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we cameras. We're spending every two to three months,000
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be under warranty for a little while. Yes, sir. And then they change uh
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Yes. So, the DVR goes out. Currently, we're looking at about six grand to get it replaced out, but the new cameras
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they're going to bring in, um, Matt, correct me if I'm wrong, the old ones are hardwired in, and it it's something
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I wish I could tell you exactly, but these are more up to date and better.
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Yes, it's pretty much unlimited instead of
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whatever the timeline is now. that cloud.
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Well, we we've opted out of the cloud. Uh I didn't have them put that in there. Just for the fact is that would be a
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reoccurring fee. And we're looking right now. Uh we got a two-year left on our
38:35
contract with Axon, who currently does our body cameras. U we asked for a quote
38:40
for our dash cameras to put dash cameras in all of our cars. Um because they're
38:46
we're unable right now to capture if someone has an infraction if we didn't have a dash cam. If we were stopping
38:52
somebody for DUI when we're in court like yeah their failure to maintain lane if we just had that body cam it's just
38:58
going to show the dash of our car. So we're not capturing that infraction. So we asked Axon what would it cost us to
39:07
put dash cams in our vehicles and it was $50,000 a year for 20 vehicles. And
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that's that we will have to pay 50,000. So, we went to a private company that
39:20
was trying to get into the field and said, "Hey, if you will work with us, we'll work with you, tell you what you
39:25
need to do to fit public safety, and maybe that'll increase your business." Uh, unfortunately, that partnership just
39:31
is has not worked out. Uh, their developers, I think they think it's too expensive to move things and ships ship
39:38
stuff around. So, we're currently looking at other companies that what we currently for Axon. Right now, we can
39:46
house inhouse and we can get a body camera and a dash camera cheaper than
39:52
what we're currently paying Axon. So, we're going to start hopefully next
39:57
year, start pulling those off of those contracts as they expire, not renew them, and then go to in-house. And I
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think that's going to save us some money in the long run as well. Axon is fantastic with what we do. Uh
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the problem is there's no way we can afford it. We we can't afford know the
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storage space that they're charging us. I I remember what the storage was
40:20
completely if we upgraded everything. It was know $100,000 a year just for
40:25
storage and we we just can't do that. So we're looking at other options what we can do where we can house that stuff
40:34
we can what we got.
40:39
We've had conversations. You were hesitant to upgrade camera system in the jail because we don't know what we're
40:45
going to do as far as enlarging the jail. That's inevitable.
40:53
Is there any consideration for that in what you're presenting tonight? We will
40:59
be able to Is there any flexibility on what they put in? If we change the jail
41:05
a little bit, will they be able to? Yes. So, the cameras that they're going to install are not higher are hardwired.
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So, even if I'm looking into the future, I'm I'm thinking of more of an expansion now
41:20
that our courts are starting to move fairly well. Um, we'll know more as we
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hit late spring because that's when people are going to be out and then we'll be able to see that population and
41:32
see if we've curved it or not. So, I'm thinking more of a expansion would
41:37
potentially uh take care of us and get us out of that plan of action zone with TCI uh
41:44
because that's the only reason why we're in it is because they overcrowded. So,
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this camera system will be set up to If it is an expansion, it's just plug and
41:55
play. So, we won't have to come back and go, "Well, we got to put another 200,000 in
42:01
because we got to do a new camera system." Uh, it'll be plug and play. And I think, if I'm correct on the I think
42:10
we have a spot left for 24 more cameras just on this system alone. So once
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they're done with their completion, we have enough to plug in 24 more additional cameras and then if we do
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have to add in past that 24, we just get another DVR.
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Are you looking for action on this tonight? No, we we're just trying to just bring
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it aware and and let let you guys know that this is a need and and we need to
42:41
start tackling this problem within the next couple months. And yeah, and that's We were wanting to
42:46
again bring it back up, make you fully aware of where we're at because I know I was very brief when I spoke about it earlier a few months ago, but if we
42:54
continue on the same trajectory we're looking at with the
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not have to use all that medical money, that could be a great opportunity for us to lose some money and fix this and not
43:05
have to ask for more money. Y'all know I hate to ask y'all, but
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one thing y'all said was one retention rate was six months. The other one was different. Can you differentiate those
43:17
two again? Was the was and one of them might have been the dash cams that we're not even talking about. But
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so right now, like you said, we're on three separate systems. So the retention rate for the jail is is three weeks. The
43:30
retention rate for the courthouse is 5 days. And then the retention rate for
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our office is 14 days. But with this new with this new system, the the courthouse
43:42
and the jail will be on a sixmon retention. So that's usually about the
43:48
time if somebody's filing a complaint or a lawsuit or anything to that nature, we
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will get that information before that time expires. Thank you.
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Um loaded question. may not know the answer, but I hope you have figured it out.
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How much is currently in the courthouse security fund that we have dollars?
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I think it was right around 30,000. That's the first question. Second question is you said earlier chair that
44:19
we were down to 25ish uh from a high of
44:25
180 185 180. Um, I think that you attribute a lot of that
44:30
to a better flow through the court through the court system. Do you see that declining that decline to continue
44:38
or do you think we kind of hit where we're at? I mean, what's what's your bet? I think we're going to have to look at see because
44:45
when a lot of things happen at one time is one the winter months hit that slows down a lot of stuff. What's going on? So
44:52
as spring we start going into spring those numbers probably come up and then we'll just be
44:58
like I mean the judges are doing a great job but I know it's only so much they can do
45:04
I don't know what the first circuit court day I think was here from 9 to 9
45:10
so he's doing everything he can to move stuff a lot quicker so it'll just we'll just have to see where we're at in the
45:16
spring and summer. So, it's kind of difficult at this point in time to see if it's a trend.
45:21
Yes, sir. But is there anything that we can do other than encouraging uh
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the judges to work longer and harder? Did everybody else obey the law? Well, there we go.
45:33
And Judge Lane has extended courts. Well, he w he walked in with me tonight, so I don't think he's in here. I think
45:41
he went the other way. Uh yeah, Judge Lane has extended courts. I mean, there's no longer just one circuit. uh if his calendar empty or
45:49
something cancels there's circuit court over in Hickman County u I think last month or not the storm but before that
45:57
it was like 10 or 11 days he was over here which was probably a record
46:03
I don't know if there's ever been that much floor going on so uh the change up of of that and not having one day is is
46:11
starting to catch up but again like the sheriff said once we hit spring, we'll be able to say, "Hey, this
46:20
is going to be our our new trend." And I think that will help out a whole lot, too. And and what is the the
46:30
permitted capacity? 110 is capacity, but they say we are at
46:36
capacity at 100. Thank you guys.
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Any more questions on the camera?
46:51
Did you have something for the sheriff? Yeah, we've got with us tonight commission. He's the candidate for
46:58
council district 7. And what I would like to do since he's the only candidate
47:05
is get him appointed a little early so maybe he could do some of his rides and
47:11
get prepared for that position. I think he's probably about the best man we could ask for and I would like to have
47:18
the sheriff's input on it and see what he thinks. Yes sir. Like it said my understanding
47:23
he's running unopposed. So, um, he'll be our console here in a few months and
47:29
he's already completed all requirements to fill that position. So, I have I have
47:34
no complaints whatsoever. If the body would want to consider doing that, I think it'd be be great. Uh, I spoke with
47:42
him a little bit yesterday about, but we'll help him out as much as he we can
47:47
with once we start training and if he start doing some ride along and stuff, we can kind of get with some people that
47:53
work on getting his hours. I'd like for him to stand up just give a
47:58
little bit of his background.
48:04
My name is Sean Kish. Uh 21 years retired from the army in 2000
48:11
2020 or sorry 2020 2021 moved here to Hickman County. One of the things that I
48:18
wanted to do in retirement is give back to the community when I was active in the army. That was hard to do. you move
48:23
every couple of years and the army keeps you busy. Um, so a few of the things that I've done in the county so far had
48:30
the privilege to do is be on the Pleasantville Fire Department. I've done that since 2021. I'm on the industrial
48:37
development board for the county. Been doing that for a few years. My term ends in June. I'm also the head of security
48:44
for Hope Church and uh registered armed guard for the state of Tennessee. And I
48:51
was asked if I would be interested in running for constable and thought about it for a little bit. I think that it's a
48:58
needed position. I talked with Wayne a good amount when he was constable at car
49:03
accidents, things like that. But I I think it's just another that hopefully I can help serve the citizens and be of
49:11
use to the county. Any questions? I'll just reiterate as as the military
49:18
folks say, squaring away individual. U I've had the opportunity to get to know Shawn and he is also works with security
49:26
at our tutorial school. Um he he has a great mind of organization and dotting
49:34
all the eyes and crossing all the tees. So I can't think of a better person to fill this slot to assist you guys and
49:41
all that you do than than Sean. So I I certainly encourage you guys to to give him a thumbs up as well.
49:49
Mr. Chairman, do you want me to make a motion to do the appointment tonight or put it on?
49:54
We can't. This committee can appoint can appoint. We can't. We can't. We can. That'll
50:01
that'll have to be done. That's what I would like to have it put on the agenda for the court meeting.
50:10
In our conversation earlier, you said that the other commissioner, Mr. Chester from your district. I talked to him at the last meeting and
50:18
so far I mean he is he acted like he was in favor but he's not here tonight.
50:26
Yes. Comment on if we could do that the ballot will not be set until March 5th.
50:33
So don't get in the same situation the city got in on early. I have no problem
50:39
with it. support the commission district 7 but I think moving it to a county commission meeting is probably the smart
50:45
thing to do. Well my my motion would be for him to continue
50:50
Mr. I got you. So he is going to uh
50:58
complete the current term the current term. So we're going to appoint that to fill that vacancy. I'm not trying to interfere with
51:04
election. I just want fill the vac. Yeah. Fill the vac. I want him to get his training in. So
51:09
he'll be ready to hit the ground whenever his time comes. If it if it comes
51:18
anybody else I'm not aware that that brings us that's
51:25
completed the sheriff's report. That brings us to old business. I'm not aware of any old business. Is anybody aware of
51:31
old business? And right after old business new business the first thing on new business
51:38
is the the resolution
51:43
2609 regarding the nuance law.
51:49
We're where we were a while ago. Now, this nuisance law was brought up
51:55
sheriff's department to help with and and you've got it in front of you. I'm not going to take a
52:00
lot of time. Uh both gentlemen went over it, looked at it. It was kind of put together with their guidance. This allow
52:10
and I'll start over houses. It covers a lot of things. Went through all this is TCA or TCA coded. If you have a house in
52:19
a neighborhood that keeps getting call back after call back after call back after call back, it gets the sheriff's
52:24
department to stand over that. They can step in and take it puts the responsibility back
52:32
on the land owner. Pretty much if they want to keep their property and don't want to pay the money, they about who
52:38
they put in. It not only deals with it says in your drug houses, it's a
52:44
business. If there's an issue with a business, uh if if if I collect leads
52:49
for a living and I keep bagging them up and trashing up the neighborhood and you
52:54
don't want to play the game that we tell them that you got to clean your property up, they become a nuisance, a nuisance,
53:01
a nuisance, and then it falls in his department. So that is what this is for.
53:07
all of the things in here. I think it will help him get rid of some things that our camp community has asked to
53:13
help get rid of. So, read it. And that's
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that's pretty much it on Yeah, I'll touch on that a little bit.
53:24
It's And we have residences in our county. Um, I think
53:30
there's one resident within a I would say pretty comfort comfortably
53:36
that most everybody in here if they've had to call the sheriff's office maybe once or twice
53:43
probably a lot of people have never called the sheriff's office. Um, we had one residence that I in a sixmonth
53:50
period we had been there about 60 times. This was drug calls, uh disorderly
53:58
calls, fight calls, um pretty much anything you could think of and we were responding constantly.
54:04
So, uh I appreciate Mr. Collins when we first spoke about this
54:11
is getting some things put together so we have a little bit more we can do when we encounter issues like that.
54:18
But I'll be glad to answer any questions anybody's got. We voted on this, right? Next meeting.
54:33
on the section two where it it specifically excludes the Girl Scouts
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and I'm not putting them on the spot.
54:48
I was going to tell you had the number wrong. What's going on?
54:54
Girl Scouts are a nuisance.
54:59
When he picks up the girl, I might need to take a break.
55:05
That's not going to be your campaign.
55:14
I've got a question. I'm not jumping in front of anybody. You mentioned that you had a residence that you had numerous
55:20
talks to. I'm all for this and I and I've seen it
55:26
used on on businesses. What's what's your remedy on on that res? I'm assuming
55:32
you're you're going to bring the the actual property owner into you're dealing with the renter.
55:38
Uh so the actual property owner is going to be
55:44
who will be coming to see us and we can with the county attorney getting them in
55:49
court, get them in front of a judge. Hey, this is what's going on. It may be some bad renters. There's people in here
55:55
that got rental properties. Um, but we're going to reach out and talk to the property owner and say, "Hey, this
56:01
is a problem. Either you can get it fixed or we'll get it fixed or help or we will help you get
56:07
it fixed." Um because it it is the the one resident
56:14
I I spoke with the u property owners and they're 100% they're not bad people at
56:20
all. They're trying to take care of people and they're
56:26
not understanding the the uh some of the on their property and I told us we're
56:33
looking at something that you may end up being cited in court if this
56:38
And actually since we had that conversation that that has stopped a big part of that. So it gives us something
56:45
that we can use get it cleaned up or or you will be dealing
56:59
anything else on this resolution because like Todd said
57:05
three or no
57:13
You don't have a question now. Look at that before we vote on it.
57:20
Then the next one on the agenda is 2611.
57:25
The girls got
57:30
this this one. It was handed out to you.
57:35
It was not in the package with the new. This one pertains to the
57:43
The main thing is that there's there's a reoccurrence of roadblocks at the 467100
57:49
intersection up there that people are just coming into town and misrepresenting themselves and taking up
57:54
money. I'll not say anything else about it because it's the sheriff resolution.
58:00
He's as we're doing it we're doing it for him. So I'll let
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I think if you want to start off with that. Yeah. This was looked at because of that. Just
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a few weeks ago, I went through driving school bus and they stopped me. They were there with blue buckets with the
58:17
Eagles on them. Looks like they're a school group and they come up and said, "You want to donate?" I said, "What we
58:22
donating for?" They said, "It's for a family." I said, "What family is it?" I said, "I know everybody here." Guy couldn't tell me and walked off. So,
58:29
called sheriff and about all we can do is run up there with a a rag, squish it at them. This will address
58:36
that. There are some things in here that might need to be as we go along. Uh my
58:42
suggestion is for though is we get this passed. Now it it does go a little bit deeper and it goes down to the third
58:49
whereas and it says the board further finds that doortodoor solicitation. I had a
58:56
gentleman tell me the other day that somebody come by and charge his dad $6,000 to cut a tree and then what he
59:03
thought was finished was another7,000 to get the other one. And before he stopped
59:09
staff from paying. They were up to another $21,000 hit that was fixed to be paid. This
59:16
addressed the fact that we can permit anybody that comes in here and has to see the sheriff before they go
59:22
doortodoor selling things. Storm recovery, all of this stuff that the
59:27
mayor had had problems with that these people are not with us. The things that
59:33
we may add later to this once we get it passed is those permits, those fees that would help pay
59:41
for some of these cameras and different things. And the sheriff is going to handle this. They have to see him to do
59:47
this. It's not going to put a burden on any other office. He knows who's standing there and can make the call and
59:53
have it done. I suggest that you read this and look this over. It does exclude the Girl Scouts and there could be
59:59
selling. The school system really doesn't send kids out door anymore. It's a word of mouth through family and
1:00:06
Facebook. We're not getting into that. Uh, so this this is pretty much protecting our citizens of the county
1:00:13
from some things that have just been run up for a while. And I would encourage sheriff to add a stiff feed for those
1:00:20
that come in and selling windows and vinyl siding and redoing your driveway
1:00:25
eventually. But anyway, that's what we're still trying to get all this
1:00:31
worked out. But but I think it's, you know, we have so many people coming in and there's not a process right now to
1:00:38
that way we can vet these people to make sure who we're dealing with, who they are.
1:00:44
I can tell you at Williamson, we deal with this all the time and you know, if you didn't have it filed with the county
1:00:50
and you didn't have a permit, then they went on about their business.
1:00:56
I think it's as as many complaints as we're getting with the trees or people
1:01:02
taking up money. Uh do you have a permit? Nope.
1:01:08
Sorry. Can't be can't be going to a door. So just protect our community.
1:01:13
Well, I I would think that it's known that we do not
1:01:20
just the fact we do. I like I like the
1:01:25
at all through through your office. Mr. Nash, you have something
1:01:32
um um Todd, this is this is the one that that Dan did.
1:01:37
He he had his hands on. Yeah. Um and so I I kind of see his
1:01:42
writing in this. So, uh if everybody wants to to go forward with this, we can go back. We need to try to put this in a
1:01:49
little bit more of the Hickman County format and uh trying to correct just a
1:01:55
few grammatical things in here, but I I was I was hoping that I think this is the one that the county attorney said
1:02:01
that he had. Yes. So he'll actually in a hurry the other day so get this.
1:02:08
Yeah, he did. He's had this. Yeah. So he's had So he'll have this in the doc that we can
1:02:18
I think from what Todd said, Todd and I talked about this some time ago door
1:02:23
couple months we're going to see a lot of the Irish travelers coming in. You go and
1:02:29
look at your tags and they're from North August, Georgia and they come in with you're going to ask your seal your
1:02:35
driveway. They made up too much. People used to call Egyptian but they're out of
1:02:41
Georgia and they will rip you off in a heartbeat is what the tag but according
1:02:47
to what I'm understanding from this it's called dispatch will take care of somebody to get them out of there get
1:02:53
get make sure they got permit
1:03:04
I was just what I was about North Augusta in South
1:03:10
It's right up from Orange.
1:03:22
It's in Georgia North. South Carolina. You're right. I'm sorry. I don't know, but I know it's not a
1:03:29
girl.
1:03:34
Take a break. Does anybody else have Rick?
1:03:39
What about the school kids? I mean this question selling oranges like
1:03:44
agriculture that it won't affect any of them. We're tied in with a girl.
1:03:52
You guys are
1:03:57
going to Nobody's encouraged to do the sale like they were past.
1:04:05
There is that we have an opportunity to sell through in my organization. They do
1:04:12
if if if my son or daughter was still in school, and I think I think this is a little bit
1:04:18
different, but it it it might not be. They would walk through the neighborhood and see if you wanted to buy some just
1:04:24
like they walk down the hall in in the school. I I wondered, and it's just a
1:04:31
wonder, u there's paper we have to do and it has
1:04:38
to be a school approved fundraiser. It has to go through the board this that and the other. I didn't know and and
1:04:43
I'll get you to look at it and Dan will have to okay it too but school board approved fundraisers be exempt just like
1:04:52
this other organization that I'm not going to mention anymore. Yes, that would be my opinion would be
1:04:58
100%. So I mean we're we're not trying to finish the school or our kids or anything like that but we're trying to
1:05:04
get a handle on the people especially the people that's coming from outside the county that we have no idea who they
1:05:09
are. Yes. And and that was my deal with the school approved fundraiser. It it is it is for an identity in the county which
1:05:17
is different from some of these others that's going on. Yes.
1:05:25
I I think it's long overdue and I remember I don't know 27 years ago maybe
1:05:31
they had the stop down here and buckets out.
1:05:37
They were collecting somebody for go to a beauty pageant. They live in Columbia
1:05:42
and I'm like stop every car hit county don't even live here. So I just think
1:05:49
it's just it was a safety reason too. It just uh it just provides peace and calm
1:05:56
for people in the county so they know they call somewhere somebody legit.
1:06:04
Anybody else?
1:06:11
Mr. Chairman, you mentioned that it ought to be formatted in in uh the way
1:06:17
that we usually do it. Who's going to take care of that? I I'll take care of that. But as long
1:06:22
trying to put it on you. No, I'm just looking around the room and just making sure everybody's okay with what we're doing. I'll take this and
1:06:28
we'll fix it and we'll move forward. And if you want to if you feel like Let me ask a question. Does everybody want to
1:06:35
put in a caveat in there for the school system? If it is, we'll add it in. I think it's a good idea.
1:06:40
Okay, that's fine. I mean, I
1:06:47
I'll be happy. I just rather not retype this. And if Dan If Dan's got it, it means he's got
1:06:52
it in a an editable form. He should have. I didn't have his version, so I had what
1:06:58
I had. Okay. the why the sheriff's up there. I don't
1:07:06
have anything to look at because they're not written yet.
1:07:11
He is desirous of a couple more resolutions
1:07:17
to put some clarity on a few issues he had. One of them is over smokeless tobacco.
1:07:26
Smoker tobacco is now available in the jail through the commissary.
1:07:33
The sheriff would like to put the profit from the smoke of tobacco into a fund
1:07:38
much like his drug fund and use that money just the profit not not any of the
1:07:44
the cost of it into a fund and use that for maintenance enhancements to the J.
1:07:51
That way it doesn't get burned up in the dayto-day maintenance of the J. already taken care of.
1:08:01
Does anybody have any thoughts on that? We don't have a resolution written to hand out yet. I figured I'd give you a heads up since we're all
1:08:09
We all agreed to this. I think it's something.
1:08:16
Well, this resolution will say you you speak on it if you want to.
1:08:23
I speak a little bit and chief speak on a little bit too. Um, so kind of my idea
1:08:29
in this is not to really tie our hands to just the jail, but put it as in the
1:08:36
jail and the justice center. So, if we have that money sitting there and we
1:08:41
need new carpet in here, we can use that money to buy new carpet if we need to replace something in I know we've had
1:08:48
some concerns about the benches and stuff in here. $190,000 worth of cameras.
1:08:54
Yeah, absolutely. Uh, so there's a lot of stuff that we can use that money for. U
1:09:01
there's a lot of stuff that needs some upgrades. I think if y'all remember when Bob Bass was here talking about the
1:09:07
jail, the jail is 20 years old. But a jail you cannot figure the same as you
1:09:14
do any other county building. You're looking at for every one year equals three years. So that jail is actually 60
1:09:20
years of pound. 24 hours a day, seven days a week is operating. Um, so this
1:09:26
will give us uh we don't have a capital outlay
1:09:32
budget that we do every year. This will kind of start padding some money back in
1:09:37
that situation where we can do upgrades as need be for there and for you.
1:09:43
Chief, this is a tool also used to bring
1:09:48
compliance into the jail as well. 125 people over there, all they got is
1:09:55
24 hours to figure out how to try to get out of jail. And a lot of time it's on the taxpayer dollar. So that is one
1:10:02
thing that we've incorporated. Since we've incorporated that, if we have to
1:10:08
do a small expansion on the jail, just say we have to build four or five isolation sales on there somewhere.
1:10:14
What's going to cost anywhere between four or $500,000 just for isolation sales? Why should the taxpayers have to
1:10:20
put that bill? It will fall back on the inmates. They're the ones who would be
1:10:27
paying that. But not only that, we also gain compliance where the county
1:10:32
taxpayers is no longer for any of their indigent packages. So, what happens is
1:10:38
put 40 people in a pod. Well, they'll make two people run everything off of their books and they'll make the county
1:10:46
foot the bill on everything else. So, it doesn't matter if they go to the hospital because it ain't costing them nothing. It doesn't matter if they go
1:10:53
over to the ER or they go there. It's not costing them anything. But with this program, your account has to be valid.
1:11:01
And the only way you can get it has to come through your account. Well, what we've seen since we incorporated it, the
1:11:08
hospital visits just straight down. Uh, and you can see that based off of where we were at last
1:11:16
year at this time on our medical where we are this year. So, it's a great
1:11:22
compliance tool, but also we can use it to help upgrade and fix what has fallen
1:11:28
down. I know Matt will probably tell us different. What do you spend maybe two days a year out over at the jail?
1:11:35
Uh and and he'll tell you like there's again 60 years old if you if you look at
1:11:42
their terms. You got to think of that like we got to start replacing fixtures. We're going to have to start replacing
1:11:48
other things. How much is is one of those combination toilets over there? We just installed two that were $4,000.
1:11:56
$4,000 a piece for one toilet, you know. And uh how many times in the last month
1:12:03
have you had clogs on the drainage?
1:12:09
Yeah. Has it cut down any over the last two months? So there for a while it was like it
1:12:16
seemed like it was every other day. Uh again, if that pod is acting rowdy, then
1:12:23
that privilege is suspended. So, do you think they're going to want to stuff things down the the pullets and clog up
1:12:30
the lines now? They don't want that suspended. So, it's helping with the compliance issues as well. But again, uh
1:12:38
we just feel if we can earmark that money to go to either the justice system and the jail and that way we can take
1:12:46
care of those needs when they come up and just like the camera system, 200 grand, it'll probably build 200,000 in
1:12:54
two and a half years. That's that's and it's a self-stated program, so it's going to pay for
1:13:00
itself. It's not going to cost the taxpayers anything. We Well, we started the money. You had
1:13:06
to move a little bit money around. $500. No. Uh, initially we u I think but we
1:13:12
moved it around in our budget. I think we moved like two 2,000 around in our budget to get it going. But from this
1:13:18
point forward, it's all going to pay for itself. Like the county doesn't have to pay a dime. The taxpayers are not a
1:13:25
dime. Uh, it's all selfunded.
1:13:31
But what we're talking about going into the account that will be set up because of the resolution that we don't have
1:13:37
written yet. Strictly profit. All profit. Yes. The costs are already
1:13:43
that's that's pure profit. And looking at your first two months, you and I were
1:13:48
being very conservative that it'll it'll make $80,000 in its first year. And that's being very very
1:13:55
that I've got no problem saying it. The other thing is when you're talking about your compliance, the uh
1:14:02
there's booking fees when somebody goes into your hotel, the booking fees are
1:14:07
applied to the uh their commissary account. Correct. So if
1:14:13
if they don't have the money to pay it, when grandma drops $50 off in the commissary account, it it never makes it
1:14:19
to the inmate because that comes out for the booking fees. That's so We're
1:14:24
talking 80 to $200,000 in two years in the profit. We'd have to go into Dana's
1:14:31
office to figure out what the true benefit was it because they're paying
1:14:37
book. A lot of times they get out of jail still owing booking fees. Yes. And
1:14:44
that's there's no real use. Just to put this on the table, we had probably about 15 to 20% 20% on the high
1:14:53
side of compliance with people whose accounts were active and good and not in
1:14:59
the negative. Since this program has came in, that has shot to 75 to 85%.
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Somewhere there are some numbers written down probably in Dana's office where the money is flowing in because of this.
1:15:15
Yes, that that was my point. I want to make sure everybody understood it. Anything
1:15:21
else on on that? Again, this resolution is not written yet, but it's possible you see it at the county commission.
1:15:30
And there there's one more and do them in separate resolutions because the the
1:15:35
the sheriff has hypnotic powers and he can convince people to just give him
1:15:44
the I don't know how aware the audience I'm sure is not aware of if all y'all are. I
1:15:51
mean he's had a tractor trailer given to him. The tractor by one outfit, the trailer by another outfit.
1:15:59
the what the other resolution would deal with is that after he keeps that stuff a
1:16:06
year, usually I mean you're you're loaning stuff to the highway department, to the DMA. You're loaning stuff to
1:16:12
solid waste, but after a year, if he chooses to, he
1:16:18
can sell that. We're going to try to get up a resolution for him to that that
1:16:24
money doesn't roll into the general fund. out and hypnotize these people and
1:16:30
got them to give him these assets. So when he sells them, he'll get the money
1:16:36
pretty much the way we do on the scenes. What what he'll do with it that that you can ask the sheriff, but I'll point
1:16:44
something out. The first year he was sheriff, he didn't have anything to do with the budget and there had money in
1:16:50
there for vehicles budget committee in the next two years and we won't this year put any money in
1:16:56
the sheriff's budget for vehicles. He handles that with sale of property and other
1:17:02
that's a pat on the back for him to let y'all know what's going on. Any any
1:17:08
questions or input on on on that?
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Just put a nice little bow on this, which I'm all fine for both of these. Who's going
1:17:18
to write all this? I didn't volunteer to write these. Oh, I thought you were.
1:17:24
I mean, are y'all going to take care of that? Getting getting these written up or what do y'all want to try to do? Um, if not, we can get the word right.
1:17:32
We we can write it or I'll get with Casey or somebody and we'll we'll get we
1:17:38
get a good draft. I'll I'll get with you this week and we can sit down at Casey's computer. You You've got the template,
1:17:45
don't you? Fill in a few. Are you Are you going to be at work this
1:17:50
week? Okay. As long as Long long as he's here this week, then yes.
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You gonna take off this week? No. You're gonna be here. You just got volunteer. I don't think I don't think the Freds
1:18:03
have any game, but Yes. What do you think?
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That's it on those two resolutions. The next Does anybody else have anything
1:18:20
for the sheriff before we get away from him? I don't want to jump backwards, but I I
1:18:25
want to say one thing on the resolution you guys are working on for the permits. U about 15 years ago, um we intercepted
1:18:35
a uh basically a theft ring and that's how they were operating was acting like
1:18:40
they were going around to solicit when basically they were pulling up scoping out people's property and what to steal.
1:18:47
And then so during the interview process when I ask them, hey, why did you choose this area? They said, "Oh, you you don't
1:18:52
have to have permit. You don't have to check in on anybody. We can go in any neighborhood." And when the police come up, all we do is say, "Yeah, we're
1:18:58
trying to fix a driveway or we're trying to sell somebody asphalt." So th those
1:19:03
are good tools to to keep in mind because people try to take advantage of folks.
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The next item on the agenda is discussion with the banana
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festival county attraction about the
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most y'all are almost as old as I am. We've been in here for an hour and 20 minutes.
1:19:34
I think we probably A short break after 7.
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Try to get back somewhere close to 7:30.
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Mr. Girl Scout.
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Oh, Lord. I did not say that. I know you did.
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I'm not sure who it was.
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Now, hey, for all y'all in here that are
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running for commission, I appreciate it. There's a lot to learn and it doesn't
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come easy and this stuff is not written down anywhere. Don't feel bad about asking questions.
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Hey, I could say that it really is a news. My wife 30
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supposed to make it more lively the house up on the kitchen.
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Oh, I bought them for the office. Oh. Oh, thanks. Out of your pocket.
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Yeah. Hey, we appreciate you.
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Oh,
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I got people take care of Jones
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before we get started
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while the floor just
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so stand up.
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He's our paramedic supervisor Tony Patrick
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our paramedic that was on the call our advanced ENT he has gone to work from
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metro so he's not he's not with us tonight so would like to appreciate
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these guys for receiving uh the star of life saving that truck's life that
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You were handed out a proposal
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for the management I'm sure you
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try to get it emailed to you some reason.
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Robert, you like to explain this? Robert's
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involved with the banana pudding county attraction
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group that puts on the banana pudding
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for a minute. Yes, sir. Mr. Mayor,
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chair, commissioners, I thank you all for the opportunity to present this proposal. Hopefully you got a chance to
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glance at it. Um, this is a proposal for strategic management of the A pavilion
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and unified tourism development. Um, I'm with the Hickman County Attractions. I'm
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the chair and also the chair of the National Banana Festival. 2022,
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Hikma County Tractions was formed as a 501c3 in the goal of transferring everything
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under the National Banana Pudding Festival as a true nonprofit, a 501c3.
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The National Banana Pudding Festival is a 501c4. So, we don't classify as grant writers
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or or can't get grants or can't get certain amenities that are afforded to the 501c3 status. So, we created this as
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an opportunity to expand a little bit of our scope, but also put on other events that are tied to the festival itself.
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Uh, last year, we were finally approved and awarded the 501c3 status. Uh, we've
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been approached or looked at as a possibility to take on or facilitate the
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management of the act pavilion. Uh in in the recent um months since our festival
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uh we have uh talked to the Agon Arts Foundation who put on the Agon Arts
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tour. Uh they are in the process of coming under the Pikmin County attractions umbrella and so we are
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former forming two um affiliates under
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HCA. So we'll have two different organizations with a parent
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organization county attraction. Uh so the proposal is to our mission is to
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transform the act pavilion into a a more regional venue that serves our residents, strengthens our local tourism
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and bolsters the econ economic vitality of Hickman County. um managing the
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festival itself, any of the agon tour, any of the other events that are taking place, our rodeo that's coming up. Uh
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and you unifying these efforts under the HCA umbrella provides a single point of
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contact for the commission and these different organizations to operate and a
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cohesive strategy for bringing visitor dollars into our community. So the key objectives of the proposal is a
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professional management group, economic reinvestment and asset protection and
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growth. Um we find that the act pavilion is a vital uh community asset. Our plan
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is to ensure it's uh no longer reliant solely on overextended volunteers, but
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instead managed in a year-round revenue generator uh capacity in honoring our county's
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physical assets and agricultural heritage. So, we we respectfully request
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that the Hickman County Legislative Body approve a five-year management agreement
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and the requested tax allocation to launch this initiative. Um there's the
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three strategic core goals is to unify county tourism uh by bringing the A
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pavilion board, the National Banana Pudding Festival, and the A and Arts Foundation under Pigman County
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attractions umbrella. Um this will provide a a uniform outfit.
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We have 30 around 30 folks that will be helping with overseeing different facets
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of uh the active itself. Uh and it'll also focus on bringing other events,
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agricultural events to the area, not just focusing on the National Festival
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and the Agon Arms Tour. Um, goal two is to reinvest in economic growth, uh,
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allocating 40% of the hotel motel tax to Higman County attractions to help us
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fund a full-time management event planner that will require a fee of what
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we estimate around 40 to 45,000 a year. Uh, that 40% does not cover that fee. We
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understand that the rest of the revenue would be generated through the events itself through commissions or bonus
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structure allocation. Um, and we've already had feedback that's out there that's giving some misinformation that
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the taxpayers would be funding this. This is strictly coming from a hotel
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motel tax which is designed to generate revenue back to tourism events uh and
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and be attracted to tourism and Addition to that, uh we would be
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providing opportunities for our sports teams, ball fields, uh that was mentioned earlier, uh to be able to fund
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raise and be able to provide different uh services to the pavilion or events
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that take place like parking or concessions and receive proceeds in that
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capacity. Um we find that these funds that will be generated by the tourism and are legally
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intended to promote tourism will be reallocated back to u what it is
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designed to do drawing in tourism and the county is not spending money out of the general fund for this um basically
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reinvesting the dollars back to the system. Our goal three is contract professional management uh hiring a
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contracted not an employee under our umbrella. Uh we do not uh we want to find that right
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mix. So we find that a contractor professional might be the right person for us instead of hiring someone
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outright to do this position. Uh their mission will be focusing on facility
10:14
management, the upkeep, uh connecting with the county to address issues that
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might uh occur, maintenance facilities, event coordination. They will be helping
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the different events there coordinating events with the national banana pudding festival and the art store and any of
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the a events that take place such as the rodeo. Uh grant writing is something
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that I think we are sorely missed in this community. I think this would take
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advantage of an opportunity to have a grant writer that can focus on facility
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uh grants or improvement grants or tourism grants. We have two that benefit
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us directly is the National Banana Pudding Festival. That's a marketing grant and a um
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drawing a blank there. Anyways, uh it would help us be able to
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write those grants directly instead of being able to funnel funnel it through another organization as we have in the
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past. Um the third thing here is the facility ownership and versus management
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structure. We find that it's import for grant writing to uh keep the county
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property in their name because of the grants that we apply for are require a
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government property entity. Uh instead of any kind of transfer of ownership of property or outright buying of property,
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we are not interested in that. Um and it also allows us to um have a way to
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maintain the structural facilities for the long term.
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Um the benefit is of the management agreement asset protection as I mentioned the county retains the assets.
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We increase revenue. We don't know what that looks like for us. As you know the National Banana Footing Festival is the
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largest revenue generator for a tourism event in Hickman County. I think that with our professional expertise of doing
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this for 17 years, we have the ability to add other components to festivals or
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events that can take place at the actual um and so therefore the revenue going
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back to taxpayer from increase grant funding volunteer relief. Uh this
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position will help provide relief from the day-to-day operations for our
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volunteers having to be the call of duty uh when it comes to managing the facility itself. Um and then our
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community asset. I think that the act pavilion is an underutilized community asset uh and has been for many years. No
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no uh no offense to any of the previous management. It's just one of those
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things that we I think need to embrace as a community and help itself come back
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to u putting on a events or putting on concerts or f other festivals. Um so I
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think that uh with this kind of strategic plan that we would be able to
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increase the presence and bring it back to a regional draw.
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So, our formal request is to approve a management agreement allowing the Hickman County attractions organized to
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manage the day-to-day operations and bookings of the Hickman County a pavilion under a newou uh transferring
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over from the current a pavilion board and then approved the allocation of the remaining 40% of the hotel motel tax to
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Hickman County attractions uh to fund the execution of this management plan for us to hire
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contract and we look forward to partnering with
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you guys. Does anybody have any questions?
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I I have one kind of for clarification this position the manager or that's the
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title we used here. They would not be an employee of Hitman County government. No
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no salary, no insurance, nothing of that would come from us. Correct. That's correct.
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It' be a contract between uh Hickman County attractions itself.
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Does anybody know what is 40% of the hotel
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about 30 30
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maybe just a touch over 30 that goes to
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60% of the hotel motel that 45 40 45 goes to the chamber by
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resolution. So there's there's 40% of whatever is collected on the hotel motel
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that we have used to fix the ball field. We mostly used it towards recreation.
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Okay. We did this stuff gets to running together when
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you've done it as long as I have. We bought gravel. We did we did something for uh the festival last year to develop
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a parking lot and that money came out of the hotel mot.
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We don't give the chamber money at nonprofit.
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they get that because they're I weren't sitting here that they're responsible
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for growing that it it exists because the chamber the pigment county
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attractions the different people get people to spend the night here and that's where it comes from. We were just
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trying to put it back where it came from. How much did the Banana Pudding Festival
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donate to nonprofits last year? You know last year was 87,000.
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So what I want is why couldn't we take the 38 to pay the director and not
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donate but 57,000 instead of taking a tax taking away from the parks and recreation. Why couldn't we don't mind
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going into partnership long as it ain't costing you know taking away from the parks and the ball fields and everything
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else when they're they're really making money and they're giving it away.
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I just I was the only one sitting here when I think when we started banana the whole banana pudding thing and I
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remember it we were we were sitting right over there just before budget
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meeting and Blackburn looked at me and said if you give me $5,000
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you'll never have to give the Red Cross any money And if it don't work, we're not going to
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try it twice. For that investment, we've never funded the Red Cross again in all
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those years. That was the whole intent of it is the proceeds off the banana pudding funded these these different
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charities. We're about to go in budget
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the way Danny Clark we could end the nonprofit this year in budget.
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Well, I don't think the idea was that for us to vote on this tonight. It must be introduced to it. So all these issues
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that we are thinking about and want to have a contemplate, we're going to have an opportunity to come back and kick at
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that again once we kind of go through. I mean, clearly,
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man, we got to do something. And and and this is a really the the the
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we may have to look a little fur and do this and that, but as far as a general idea of how to move forward with that
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agility, this is probably the best idea.
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I'm not trying to get in front of y'all, but on what Keith just said, In my mind,
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it'll be the April County Commission meeting before we can finalize this. We'll have to
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to meet again at public safety next month after everybody's had a month to
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chew on it. This is an emergency. It's urgent. It
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needs to be done as this this night goes on. We'll try to
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gather your information for that purpose. Deon, as a followup to Commissioner Barnhill's
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question, uh so 80,000ish you donate back to nonprofit. How do
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y'all determine who gets what the percentage of the money? H how is that? Let's uh there's a formula as far as our
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pudding path which is they actually make the goods and
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sell it so to speak and are given the opportunity to present their profit. So that's last year was 12 in years past 10
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or nine. Uh but we use other like the scouting America
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the Pleasantville Fire Department does our parking and we donate good chunks of
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money for like Pleasantville got $4,000 for doing a parking master and uh so
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it's kind of how many people are given to us from the nonprofits. It's could be
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10 people, it could be 20 people. So, it depends on what they're doing and how long they're doing it. Uh, so there's no
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real magic formula in that regard, but uh I think last year it was 18 or 19
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different nonprofits total that helped us throughout the festival
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and and uh so the bulk of that fundraising goes back to the core
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group that's making the pudding and reselling
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I got a lot of questions. Got a lot of hatred over this too.
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The hotel motel tax should have been paying for kids stuff and we're fix it all away. We have not
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really ever done anything for ball park recreation parks of any kind like we should have.
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I'm really hard to sell a polish turd. That's what the egg pavilion is. I put
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on a fair. I know what it cost to put one on. 6,000 people. One got big
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people putting it on here in the county. Made it hard for me to put it on. I know what it cost to put on a concert. Those
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people pay you to come in here. It's based off tickets. They know they're going to save.
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We have no guarantee that if we spend 40% whatever that amount is, they're going
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to do anything for us. I'm not against banana pudding at all. It has become a
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burden cost. We got a lot of I saw names on the
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here because if we don't say it here, it's going to be hard to say it when it comes up. There are some nonprofit
21:56
organizations on there that we turn down because we didn't agree what they done and they got money from you guys from
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money that we gave to put this thing on. I have problems with that when we've got
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youth activities that's not getting this nonprofit money. They're nonprofit 501c
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just like everybody else is. I suggest everybody goes home and really looks at this. Make sure this is what we're going
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to do because we can hire anybody in the world. But if it's again, that's a turd out there. If it's the road you can't
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get into, we're going to have to fix them. It's going to keep coming back to us. That's our maintenance over this. I
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hope it works and I'm not saying don't do it, but I want all of you in here to do your homework because this is a huge
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investment. It's an easy giveaway of money because it's sitting there in a pool and we haven't used it for the right things to begin with. So ask
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questions, look at this over. I don't know how I feel. I want you to succeed because I was want Mr. Black come see
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before I was ever on the county commission that this was going to work. and he came up and looked at one of the
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fairs that I put on and he based off what he did off of it. So, I want this to succeed.
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We need to make sure exactly right to get this thing, this burden off of us to help those who really need the money.
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Let's make sure this is the right thing. Question for you.
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Um, do you know where how much revenue your ballparks generate
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and the economic impact? I know what it to put on a high school team 20 to
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$35,000 a year. Play 35 games. I don't know what they do.
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Well, they they I know they do. I know that they had some state tournaments here. You can't
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We don't even play from sleep. Yeah. The state tournament. I I know they come here and they they do go to
23:49
local restaurants. They go to the local stores. They they do purchase. So, I know I know you can't put a dollar sign
23:55
exactly on what they do, but I'm with Todd, too. I'm
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the ballpark is when you go hard, you go there to tuning in and it's summer time
24:07
and you see a pack. That's something that we can't
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turn it back on. And I say turn back on you. Yeah, exactly.
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Bang for but but But the but parks I know would give money but they do bring in money to the county that the teams
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that come here playing these tournaments they do. Do you know the answer question
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for the festival itself? No you ask me do I know how much the parks recreation I know I don't
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know I do know it's a burden on parents because it's all don
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we just need to make sure this is right. We're wanting to get rid of it. Make sure we get rid of it the right way. But they don't I mean I don't think that
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this, you know, this is not an eitheror. It's just how we make it all work.
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That's my thing. I agree with that. Make it work. Well, I mean the the main goal is to
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have somebody that is driving in that. They're actually actively recruiting events and you know what whether it's a
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rodeo or if it's another active event or concert or another festival or a fair
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and those things are regional draws and you're talking 52 weeks of the year and
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the idea is to look at as much I'm in entertainment business turn Friday night
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on and see I know what it takes to do that and you got to have the right people to do
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And I whatever we do, we need to make sure we got that right person. That company needs to be We need to see some
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stuff they done to do that. Let's look at it. Hey, we need to see this. It
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needs to be done right. We're going to do it. Let's make it work. make it work.
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Well, the Since we're gathering information, I may need you to help me, Donna, with
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theou that you've operated under. We gave you some money with that,
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right? Um I think we went into that agreement what 10 years ago or more and it's been
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$3,000. So the other night when we met, we looked at it. It's supposed to go to
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utilities. Well, in those years it's double utilities almost. And so
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we didn't want to give you that money. We didn't want to give you that.
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So that's been and you know I've worked
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with Robert and the arts and a and you know I think this is something we can
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make we can flush that turd. I wish we could if we can work as a group and I think
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that can happen. We're all we're on board for it. Hey we like entertainment. We rode well.
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I mean, we get racing back out there, but you know, as a larger group, we work
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together. We have some funds that are a little more because we got this man over
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here is putting together a great rodeo and um a lot of sponsorship in county
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and out of county and we're hoping this is an annual event. So,
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The ball fields are I'd like for the egg to follow the
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example of the ball fields. I'm not saying they don't need any
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money. I'm not saying they couldn't use a little bit of money, but they're pretty self- sustaining.
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the banana pudding festival. The last number I got from the trustee
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that weekend that month, we see an over $40,000 jump
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in sales taxation. Banana does that much for the county. If they do that much for
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the county, they do more for the town of Sen
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and over double that for the school system. I would put banana pudding somewhere
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close to 200,000 is what they do.
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And you mentioned Mr. Lass rodeo there.
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I've got a pet peeve on it. I'll just air that out right now.
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There's no telling how much money that concession stand could have brought in, but it's never utilized up there. It's
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uh uh especially I'll I'll give you I'll give you I'll give you a chance the it's
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just been storing stuff and that's how the ball fields operate on on the
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concession stand and that's that's one there that I'm just one vote in this but
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I want I want to hear something that is going to be used because the turnout just hold on Donna the chairman talking
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now the turnout I can imagine for that Let
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alone the banana pudding festival. Hell, the banana pudding festival can sell water out of that concession stand
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in no time what you could make on that. Just selling bottles of water for a dollar a piece. And and I hate the fact
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that it's it's always been unutilized. That's my apprehension in in putting a
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lot of money into this. I'm not saying I would not do it, but if you got
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everything you need, what are you going to work for? Again, the ball field people,
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I used to be one of them. I think that's the best thing about it. Now, Matthew,
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now I got a nephew down there that's doing it. You age out. One of the things
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I've always noticed about Higma County is people don't know when to go home.
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That they to help her down. Wait, that's they are. That's just
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my name won't be on the ballot. She go, I think if I had done enough by now, what what can I do?
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I I I think I I'll give you you credit for that, Robert. You've got you've got
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some younger people. You've got some different mindset. I agree absolutely with Keith. We've got we need to do
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something with it.
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I don't think we could ever sell it for what it's worth to us if we would do something with it. That's been my
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apprehension about selling it. That gets mentioned a lot. Whatever we we could we could do better than what we would get
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for it. But that that's what I would like is
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that that that business model, for lack of a better term, of the ball fields
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to figure out a way to generate some some income. I don't want to get in the way of you giving away the the $80,000
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that that you give away. And that that's my hope in this we use
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it to your better effort. As far as the hotel motel, I'm I'm wide open on that.
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Did you Did you want to say something? We've got somebody coming from the neighborhood
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sessions. We just haven't advertised that because we were making sure that we weren't
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confession.
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So Banana Pudding is going to run the concession stand for that money while your rodeo going on. That's That's what
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I'm seeing in this running.
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Even print some t-shirts up whatever I don't want to get into.
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I'd like to resolve something.
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I still have every
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I don't I don't want to be like him and
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I have no problem with what you're doing. Whatever we do, we do it right. And I I I don't like giving up the 40%
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forever. I mean, this should be a substantial thing to stand on because, you know, if you got it standing there, I know what
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happened with the fairs. They realized they came in for this price, it got better every year. getting them back. Price went up and up
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and up. We were out of business. So anyway, I I support you. A lot of money
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do it the right way. Do you?
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I yield. Anybody else have anything?
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Sorry. Do it now commission.
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Do you have something else? I was going to the next item on the agenda.
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So that's it. That's it on this one for discussion right now. Nobody else has anything.
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The next item on agenda is the land use.
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So, if you're getting your bingo card check tonight, we've done nicotine,
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we've got turds, we've got egg pavilion.
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Goodness gracious. Girl Scout cookies. What would we be if we didn't have just
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a little dipping in the toe into the land use plan? Um, I'll be quick. So,
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uh, Steve Gianakus did a great job of of repairing some issues with the, uh, land
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use plan several months ago. Um, and I asked for it to come back to this committee, uh, specifically for this.
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Um, so I don't, you know, you don't have to
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agree with everything, but one of the things that's happened in this land use plan, guys, is that we went from it
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being, and I have a, you know, a dusty document on the shelf to something that
35:25
everybody has changed a little bit of their thought process in that now it's
35:31
something that you must adhere to. In other words, it went from a a guide this wide and you just kind of operated
35:38
inside the guide to we have some folks who believe and I'm not going to say they're wrong, but this never been the
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way we've looked at it in the past is if it's in the land use plan, we're going to go do it. That's a different that's a
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that's a that's a paradigm shift in how we look at it. So my concern with the
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land use plan that we've had in front of us after it was modified
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after it was modified was that there were some places in there that specifically
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if you kept that line of thinking that you're going to do what's in this plan
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then it has the county potentially on the hook for some stuff that I did not
36:21
think that we needed to be on the hook. look for if that's our new line of thinking. Um, specifically, it talks
36:28
about expansion of infrastructure. And if you read it with the mindset that you're going to go do it, and there have
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been people sitting here in this audience who said, "Hey, it's in that plan." In fact, there's a candidate or
36:40
county mayor who said, "It's in the plan." Y'all remember y'all got that in here. And you can just hear him saying,
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"This is y'all's dipping your toe. get ready because we're going to go do this.
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So that that uh that infrastructure development is
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could be read into this that we're agreeing to do it as it's written in
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this. Um last few months I've done my best to try to explain that there's no study,
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there's no community you can look at, there's no there's nobody who has
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in a cost-effective manner, not cost the people of the county, their communities
37:26
money by trying to fund the infrastructure for growth. It's a losing
37:33
battle. You never make tax dollars up
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sufficiently to cover the cost of that infrastructure. County after county after county. If you
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look across the state of Tennessee, Columbia, Tennessee, right now, the water projects, a small example, $520
37:52
million because they did not make the developers figure this thing out. Now it's on the
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rateayers. Now it's on taxpayers. Our plan could be used against us. So,
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there are specifically three areas in the plan. Um, if you don't have a copy of the plan, I apologize. Um, but
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there's three areas in this plan that are problematic. It's going to get us in
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trouble. The first one is on page 24.
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And there again, there's a there there's a title there that says expansion of infrastructure. Um, and I'm I'm looking
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around the room and I only see Dusty with his. Um, right now it says, and I'm
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gonna I'm just have to read it. I apologize. Um
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it says the key constraint of any development scale is the infrastructure needed to
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support it particularly water, sewer and transportation access. The public recognized the need to selectively
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expand infrastructure in areas that could strategically accommodate future growth thereby increasing the tax base
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and providing suitable locations for industry and job growth. Now, do I
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believe that the that the public said that they were in favor of allowing this
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kind of stuff to happen? Absolutely. I was in those meetings, but no, nobody in those meetings said, "I want to do it. I
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want to pay for that infrastructure." Nobody said that. They said they were in
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favor of it. So the wording that you see on that sheet that I'm that I passed out I believe more accurately reflects what
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was proposed in those public meetings is that the public recognize the need to strategically and selectively expand
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infrastructure only in the areas capable of accommodating new growth in a fiscally responsible manner. ensuring
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that such growth expands the t tax base without imposing new infrastructure cost
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and additional tax burden on to the existing property owners.
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Now, I believe and I was in every meeting. Claw was every meeting.
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Danny's in every meeting. Some of you others were in a bunch of these meetings. I don't think anybody came up to me and say, "Hey, look, I want my
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taxes to go up to go pay for this development." That was never said. I'm I'm assuring it never happened. But
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that's that's just a little bit of that particular component of this. On page 26
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under goals, it currently says, and again, this is
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not these are both the same, but if you're not careful, one's going to cost you, the other one's going to not cost
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you. It says expand sewer sewer alternatives and water coverage to meet
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growing demand in Northeast Hickman. Is that a good goal? Absolutely. Who who pays for it? Again, we've had people in
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this audience who are running for office who think that's going to give them a free ticket to go borrow money, expand
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the infrastructure on Ricky Murray's his constituents
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to build a new whatever out here. And it's never going to pay Ricky Murray's or anybody's back. My suggestion is we
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change that. Instead of expand, we use the word encourage. encourage responsible development by
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promoting developer funding infrastructure expansion which will alleviate the burden falling on the
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current property owners. Again talks about infrastructure. It's
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just we're just shifting making sure that we explain that the cost of this we're not against it. We're not for it
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necessarily. We're not against it. But the cost of that needs to be done by the developer, the person who's going to be
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reaping the benefits of that project. On page 43 of the plan, it takes that
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goal, if you will, and it puts some uh
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it puts some legs to it, puts a little more a little more flesh on those bones.
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So, if you go over on page 43, Dusty, I'm I'm so appreciate you following along with me. U there there's the same
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the same wording that you saw on page 26 is on page 43, but then it gives some
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additional bullet points. And all of those bullet points are fine, but they
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they can they can leave you hanging. And I'm not going to go into those four bullet points. even have a chance to
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look at them yourself. But I suggest that we take those four bullet points out and replace those with three these
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three bullet points. Beyond encouraging the responsible development by promoting developer
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funded infrastructure expansion. Bullet point number one, avoid reliance on
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increased property taxes to finance infrastructure necessitated by
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population growth and increased housing density. Bullet point number two,
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alleviate funding gaps which typically occur in growth related infrastructure
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expansion. And bullet point number three, condition zoning changes,
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density increases, and largecale residential approval on demonstrated
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infrastructure capacity or developer funded improvements.
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Guys, we're in the crosshairs. and and whether
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lots of different tactics, lots of different ways of doing this, but we have people want to come in here and and
43:33
like carpet baggers. They want to take us to the cleaners. We've got something that they want and
43:39
if and if we're not careful, this document will be g giving them the bullets to put in the bullet the gun
43:45
that they're going to shoot us with. We're going to give them the bullets, put in their gun so they can shoot us.
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And all I'm trying to do is if they want to come to Hitman County, fine. I'm not. It's capitalism, but it needs to be done
43:59
on their dime at their cost. They're the
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ones who will be getting the profit, not the taxpayers. There are no
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taxpayers that have seen property taxes go down because of growth. That is the
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most ridiculous falsehood out there. So,
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those are the changes that in addition to what Steve did that I think that we need to do that will that will put a
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nice little bow on that part of this. Now, that mean that doesn't mean that's all that somebody might want to do, but
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those are the changes that I'm I'm would like for us to put in here. Um,
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I've hit you with them tonight. Next month I'm going to come back and I'm going to make a motion to put them in
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and we can have a more robust discussion. This is all about protecting the existing property owners.
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Period. Nothing else. Somebody wants to come in and and and
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build something out here, you know, they can do it. We just don't need to be in a
45:09
position where their profit and their business and their success is going to
45:16
be a burden on the existing taxpayer. And that's what we're if we're not careful, that's what this document will
45:21
be used against us in that regard. I'll take any questions real quick. I
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know everybody wants to go home. So, we got think about your bingo card. You got a lot of stuff coming. Okay.
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You said next month
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you miss are you not intending for us to take up the amendments to the land use plan at
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the upcoming county commission. Huh. Well, I mean if if if everybody's
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okay, I'll be I'll be happy to bring these up at the next county board meeting. Let's get it done.
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Huh? I say let's get it. Okay. Fine. if nobody else got nothing else. I don't
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know. Well, I mean, and I just want to make sure everybody understand I haven't meddled in any of the rest of this. I mean, this
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and I think a lot of people think that who that that there's people in this room that were the authors of this document there. They weren't. There was
46:20
a company that did this and they they solicited a lot of advice, but this is
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the culmination of what they put together. But the only reason I think that we should change this is because
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there has been a mindshift change on the part of some of our folks that says if
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it's in here, it's as if we are approving it. And I think that that will be used against us, not us, because some
46:46
of us aren't going to be here. So, but it'll be the next county court who's going to be put under the plug that
46:51
says, "Hey, I've looked at what you passed. You need to start doing X, Y, and Z.
47:00
I mean I I think what we need to do is get all the changes together but that we
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that's agreed on send it to Gish Smith so they can so we can vote because we
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need to vote on the final copy and so just so I'm understanding is that I I
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mean I would I would get the final copy at the county commission. I mean, is
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that is that what anybody's saying or was it a I think what he's saying is let's put let's do like the let's do this like we
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did the other okay at the county court we put it in and I'm again I'm suggesting anybody
47:37
else got any more amendments let's get them done so we can send it back to Gresham okay and then get it done
47:43
but in March of 2026 this upcoming county commission meeting these will be
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this will be a motion and I hope a second and voted on to put that into the
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plan to go back to Gres saying what what I will see that
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if we do this at this upcoming 3 weeks county commission meeting
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we're still at least two months from finalizing right yeah that's kind of my thought and
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and I don't want to have provide any confusion to the public on what we're
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going to be voting on at the county commission meeting was part of my thing, too. I mean, if we're if we that's how
48:27
it wants to be handled. I mean, that that's I'm I'm I'm good with I'm good with whatever. I mean, there's nobody in
48:32
this room want this besides me, you know? I mean, it's But
48:38
how you Well, I intend for this to be my final, you know, final change I'm going
48:45
to make. So, if we approve this in March, we could come back in April with the final.
48:50
Yeah. Yeah. just in in this meeting in April that that passes. Anybody else got
48:56
anything they want to and then if not then we'll Sounds good to me.
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How about we do it? Todd, what's next?
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You turn this back in. When we turn this back in and they put it all together, I think there need to be a summary page
49:22
explaining what we changed so the public can see it, their questions are answered, and that way we don't have to
49:30
explain it. If not, we're going to miss this opportunity to get this thing through. Well, that's kind of my point.
49:39
We put it all together, we vote on it, and then I think you'll have to go back one more time after after That's when
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they send a summary of what they've done with the changes from the initial. Yes.
49:54
Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Give them everybody a page to read. Here's what we did.
50:03
I think this is what Paul was saying a while ago. And I'm I'm not against what you said. I'm trying to keep from giving
50:10
the illusion that we're peacemilling this thing together. And And you said it, too. If there's
50:16
anything else anybody want to talk about if we could if if we could get this done in one shot,
50:23
that'd be great. I don't care if it takes three more of these meetings to get it that way. But I I
50:29
and a lot of y'all are go ahead. Let's let's go ahead and let's go ahead and vote on this. I'm not saying I'm against that, but I'm saying I think it would
50:35
look better if we had all the pieces to the puzzle put together before we gave it the thumbs up or the thumbs down.
50:42
Only thing I mean only thing we're going to vote on in March is is adding amending this unless somebody else wants
50:49
to bring something else up. I'm not going to bring anything else. I agree. But if the next month something else comes up that
50:58
could or could not contradict that. I just I think it look better if we did
51:04
it all all at once. Well, does anybody else have any more changes?
51:12
There's a test. Has anybody else done any research and said, "Hey, is there anything else you want to tell?" You know, we've had it for several months. That's all I'm
51:17
trying to do is get it done. So, and that's why I did it this way so everybody can see exactly what we're
51:22
what uh you know what I'm proposing. So, we could do that. We could we could
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vote on this in March to amend it just like we voted on the Guinness to amend.
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And then we could send it back. If somebody doesn't have anything else to do, we could send it back at the summary
51:40
page. I was talking about and and then have a document that we could vote on in April.
51:46
In April, but check tomorrow. Some of us have been
51:52
messing with this for over a calendar year,
52:00
huh?
52:10
I mean, I'm a little puzzled by what Ron Ron said. You have something you want to
52:16
change? I do not. I do not. And if I knew if my crystal ball would work and I knew there
52:22
was nothing else that would come up next month, I would I'd have sat here with my mouth shut. But
52:28
were not here. Yeah. I mean, I'd bet a nickel,
52:35
not a dollar. the the other proposals that we looked
52:41
at. We're gonna mow them over for a month. I'm not saying that's what we ought to do. I don't care if he brings it or not. Don't matter. I'll vote when
52:47
the time. Did you have your hand up? I did, but I think in this discussion it
52:56
clarifies what I want to clarify. I know what you do. I'm Mike Marson to
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journ
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open on