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Apr 20, 2026
4/20/2026 Budget Work Session
0:00Matthew Barnlay Chester, Danny Clark here,
0:077 secondsTodd Collins, Steve Gian here,
0:099 secondsJim Har here,
0:1010 secondsDusty Jordan here, Ron Mayberry,
0:1414 secondsRicky Murray here,
0:1515 secondsNash Deon Picker here.
0:1818 secondsRon Pucket here. Wayne Thomasson. Eight present. Eight present. We got it.
0:2626 secondsYou all should have a copy of the agenda in your packet. Look for a motion to approve. Got a motion by Commissioner Jordan.
0:3434 secondsSecond by Commissioner Har. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I
0:4141 secondshave it. First up is a public comment period.
0:4646 secondsOn it public comment and then first up is Mr.
0:5353 secondsmedical insurance and y'all should have in front of you a piece of paper.
0:5858 secondsThank you very much. Appreciate the opportunity to address you like every year. Um I'll try to get over here so you don't have to turn off
1:071 minute, 7 secondsallow so I can see. Absolutely. Well, look at that. Can I see that?
1:141 minute, 14 secondsI'm going to beat you to it.
1:161 minute, 16 secondsSo what you have in front of you uh commissioner is a uh a copy of what we would propose for next year. But before we get into that, I want to kind of talk
1:251 minute, 25 secondsabout what informs our thought process as we look at that. So as a reminder, uh our firm Benefits Inc. helps uh broker
1:321 minute, 32 secondsyour insurance products. We just so you know, we service about 2,000 group clients under management basically in the lower 48. So everything from two
1:411 minute, 41 secondsperson mom and pops up for our largest employer has four or 5,000 employees.
1:461 minute, 46 secondsSo, we do this um in a lot of different regulatory markets. So, as a reminder,
1:511 minute, 51 secondsinsurance is regulated at the state level. So, wherever we are, we're kind of playing by a different set of rules,
1:561 minute, 56 secondsright? So, um but we do a lot of municipality uh business and a lot of uh county government business across the state of Tennessee. Uh just like we've
2:042 minutes, 4 secondsmanaged this plan for you all for for years now. It pre-existed my relationship with.
2:112 minutes, 11 secondsBut a couple of years ago, three years ago in fact, you made a very important switch, which was you moved from a fully insured insurance contract to a self-
2:192 minutes, 19 secondsinsurance contract. Um, anybody who's been watching the news or has seen anything, you know, over the last several years, what you know about
2:262 minutes, 26 secondsmedical insurance specifically is that it it goes up and up every single year.
2:302 minutes, 30 secondsIt's getting more expensive to deliver care. the American health care system while it's, you know, pretty amazing at some of the things we can do with these
2:382 minutes, 38 secondsadvanced pharmaceuticals and other things folks are living longer. Um, but it it comes with a cost, right? And so groups are dealing with that across the country. That's not unique to county.
2:482 minutes, 48 secondsBut what you all did to try to try to keep that cost from rising just exponentially every single year, you
2:552 minutes, 55 secondswere used to those 20% 25% renewal increases from Blue Cross. We would go to Sigma. We would go to United Healthcare, we would try to quote it and
3:033 minutes, 3 secondsget them down, but you knew annually that renewal was coming up. So what we did three years ago was we put
3:103 minutes, 10 secondsourselves, i.e. Hickman County, in the driver's seat. So you are self-insured now. And so we are now just funding claims. So every year there's not a
3:183 minutes, 18 secondsrenewal. You know, uh in the old days, I would call, you know, Crystal and Candy and I would say, "Okay, I just got the renewal from Blue Cross. They're
3:253 minutes, 25 secondsstarting out at 32% over current. We're going to quote it with everybody else." Now, it doesn't work that way. Now, we're just paying claims. And so,
3:333 minutes, 33 secondswhatever you consume in a year is what it costs you to run your health plan.
3:373 minutes, 37 secondsAnd then our job as your broker is to try to look at that data and identify cost centers. What are some things that are costing us way more than we would
3:463 minutes, 46 secondsnormally expect under a plan of this size, for example, or what are some areas where we're kind of stubbing our
3:533 minutes, 53 secondstoe when we don't need to be, right? And so, as we look at this, we kind of zoom out and we really start more about the law of large numbers. Right? So if you
4:014 minutes, 1 secondif you show me a thousand people, a group of a thousand people off the street, I can tell you that they're probably going to perform in statistically predictable ways. Out of
4:104 minutes, 10 secondsthose thousand people, X% of them are going to have heart disease. X% of them are going to have diabetes. You know th those kinds of things, right? So the
4:184 minutes, 18 secondsmore data we have, the more predictable your plan performance becomes. Um and so to talk about first I want to look
4:274 minutes, 27 secondsbackwards and then we're going to look forward. Okay? So, if we look at the last 12 months and I pull your large climate report right now, because you're self-insured, what we do is we go out
4:354 minutes, 35 secondsand we buy a stoploss policy and that's $100,000 and that's on each individual person
4:424 minutes, 42 secondsthat's on the county plan. And so that that includes your employees and that also includes dependents and that that's called your specific deductible. Okay,
4:514 minutes, 51 secondsthat's the only insurance that you buy now. Everything else is just claims.
4:554 minutes, 55 secondsWhat does it cost to fund the employees going to the having babies, you know,
4:594 minutes, 59 secondsall the all the things, right? So, we go out and we purchase that $100,000 stop-loss. So, if any one claim or any
5:065 minutes, 6 secondsgroup of claims and what's called the aggregate hit that stop-loss amount,
5:115 minutes, 11 secondsthat stop-loss insurance kicks in and pays so that they don't deplete the county's other funds that they've set aside to pay health claims, right? You
5:205 minutes, 20 secondswouldn't want one person, let me use an extreme example, you wouldn't want one person with $10 million in health care costs, which would be really hard to do
5:285 minutes, 28 secondsobviously to to deplete the county's claims funding balance. So that's why that stop loss exists. You could
5:355 minutes, 35 secondsincrease that to 150,000 or 200,000. You could lower it to 50,000, but where it's been and where we like it is kind of a sweet spot is right at $100,000.
5:435 minutes, 43 secondsSo, if I look at your claims over the last 12 months,
5:485 minutes, 48 secondsum you experienced um $1.853 million in claims that were over the
5:575 minutes, 57 seconds$100,000 stop loss. So, that stop-loss is doing its job, right? It's kicking in and it's paying that to protect you from
6:056 minutes, 5 secondsthat liability. Now, if somebody's got over $100,000 in claims,
6:106 minutes, 10 secondsthey have a condition, they've had they've had maybe cancer diagnosis. They could have had could be a premature birth. Could be a lot of things, right?
6:176 minutes, 17 secondsUm but the point is if somebody gets to that level of spending, it's not because they're seeing an out of network physician or they accidentally went to this doctor instead of that doctor,
6:276 minutes, 27 secondsright? So, so for those pool of folks,
6:306 minutes, 30 secondswe need to take care of those folks because they're they're sick and and that's what the insurance is for, right? So rather than looking at that pool,
6:386 minutes, 38 secondswhat we try to do is say, okay, what's happening in the rest of the claims activity that could help us, let's not spend dollars loosely or accidentally
6:486 minutes, 48 secondsbecause we know we've got to preserve dollars for these higher claims, right? So of your claims last year, 43.26%
6:546 minutes, 54 secondsof them, that's a pretty specific number, were over that $100,000 stop loss. So that left you to pay out $2.43
7:027 minutes, 2 secondsfor3 million in claims that were below that $100,000 stop loss. So those actually do hit your claims funding
7:097 minutes, 9 secondsaccount. Everything else is paid by the reinsurance. And then the one renewal I do still get, so remember I told you I don't get that blue cross renewal and say, "Okay, Candy, it's going up this M
7:177 minutes, 17 secondsor you know, Crystal, it's going up this amount." We get we get a renewal on your stop loss, but that stop loss is a tiny component. That's what's called your
7:267 minutes, 26 secondsfixed cost. Everything else is just claims funding. So this year, your stop loss take an adjustment because of that
7:337 minutes, 33 secondshit. But now, because we're getting more longevity, the underwriter can say,
7:377 minutes, 37 seconds"Okay, we anticipate we're going to have this claim year in year out. We know this person. We know they're on the plan or we know this group of folks are going
7:457 minutes, 45 secondsto hit that." So, they can adjust their pricing so that it can stay more level over time. Okay. But the other things that we looked at was we said, "All right, if we can't do anything about,
7:547 minutes, 54 secondsyou know, again, a $100,000 claim, you really can't prevent. That's somebody with a chronic diagnosis or cancer or something like that." So the question
8:018 minutes, 1 secondis, are there things in our inside our current plan design that may encourage more expensive behaviors? Right? So the
8:108 minutes, 10 secondsfirst thing that's obvious is a $250 deductible. That's something that you all have maintained for years. It's a very generous health plan. After that,
8:198 minutes, 19 secondsit pays 80% of the cost. The employee pays 20% of the cost until they hit their out of pocket maximum. Knowing
8:268 minutes, 26 secondsthat we wanted to preserve that, one of the things that we talked about this year was what if we looked at doing a dual option? And so the page that you
8:348 minutes, 34 secondshave in front of you shows where we're recommending that you go, which is we're now creating a base plan, which is which
8:428 minutes, 42 secondsis of lower value than your current plan, but it is also of lower cost than your current plan. And then your option
8:498 minutes, 49 secondstwo plan is the exact same plan that you have now for the exact same price. So for any employees who say, "Look, I like my plan. I want to keep my plan." They
8:588 minutes, 58 secondscan choose option two and they will continue paying $50 um per month for that coverage or $25 a pay period just
9:069 minutes, 6 secondslike they have been. So nothing would change about option two with one small exception which I'll I'll talk about here in a minute, but I don't want to
9:149 minutes, 14 secondsbreak strat between the two options. So option one is the exact same network.
9:189 minutes, 18 secondsNobody's got to change doctors. Nobody's got to change pharmacists. Nobody's got to change hospitals. any of that. What we've done is we've simply imple implemented a $1,000 deductible. So,
9:299 minutes, 29 secondsunder option one, if you choose that,
9:319 minutes, 31 secondsyou'll notice for employee only, it's free. So, we're saying you don't have to pay that $25 a pay period or $50 a month
9:389 minutes, 38 secondsfor it, it's free. Why are we doing that? Well, because we want to give them an option, but we also know this is a transition year, so we don't want to pull the the rug out from under anybody.
9:479 minutes, 47 secondsWe want them to be able to have the exact same blame they have now for the exact same price. But by offering them this option at no cost, but it includes
9:549 minutes, 54 secondsthat thousand deductible. What happens after you hit the thousand deductible?
9:599 minutes, 59 secondsWell, then the county kicks in just like it does now with an 80% co insurance. So cover 80% of the cost. You would pay 20%
10:0610 minutes, 6 secondsof the cost after you'd hit that deductible until you as the employee hit a $3,000 out-of- pocket maximum for the year. If you if you got to that point,
10:1610 minutes, 16 secondsyou would be fully insured after that.
10:1810 minutes, 18 secondsThe county would pay those claims until the loss kicked in if that's what happened and then and then the reinsurance carrier would pay those
10:2510 minutes, 25 secondsclaims. So until I've hit my individual deductible of $1,000, once that happens,
10:3110 minutes, 31 secondsthen um everything's going to be covered at 80%. So if I go to the doctor to a primary care physician and that bill is going to be $100, I'm going to pay 20,
10:4010 minutes, 40 secondsthe plan's going to pay 80, for example.
10:4210 minutes, 42 secondsOkay? So it works just like your current plan does, but instead of having a $250 deductible, it's going to have a $1,000 deductible. By doing that, we
10:5110 minutes, 51 secondsanticipate, and this is this is the underwriter's guess. You never know until you actually go through enrollment, but we think about 50% of
10:5810 minutes, 58 secondsthe current employees will say, "I like free a whole lot better than I like paying for something, and I'm willing to take that trade-off." Right? So, if you've not been to the doctor in the
11:0611 minutes, 6 secondslast six or nine months or a year and a half, you may wind up getting that thousand deductible back. You know, if
11:1311 minutes, 13 secondsyou're if you're 25 and just started working for the county and you're not,
11:1711 minutes, 17 secondsyou know, you're not raising a family and having children, that sort of thing,
11:1911 minutes, 19 secondsthis this may be a really good option for you. Or maybe you're older, but you just don't have a lot of health claims, hadn't been to the doctor in a while,
11:2511 minutes, 25 secondsright? So, option one could be a good way to save some money there. But it also helps shift some of that risk off of the county. right now with that $250
11:3411 minutes, 34 secondsdeductible, what it means is that basically you're on the hook for for any and every claim because it's not hard to hit a $250 deductible. The other thing
11:4311 minutes, 43 secondsthat we looked at was and it's really convenient to have, you know, certainly not saying anything bad about it, but it's really convenient to have that freestanding ER over in East Hickman.
11:5311 minutes, 53 secondsUm, in fact, HCA is talking about putting another one of those in Fair View. So you'll have two that are pretty closely situated to where a lot of your
12:0112 minutes, 1 secondemployees live. The problem is as soon as that er came online several years ago, we were able to see in the claims
12:0812 minutes, 8 secondsdata where folks were starting to use that as a walk-in claim. That's very,
12:1312 minutes, 13 secondsvery expensive. Right? So when you have a $250 deductible, and again, I'm not saying anybody does this with malice in their heart. It's it's they're making a
12:2112 minutes, 21 secondsrational decision. If once you've hit your deductible, you're not having any expenses.
12:2712 minutes, 27 secondsIt's very convenient to go to a freestanding ER, you don't have to make an appointment, you don't have to talk to your primary care physician. You know, if your kids got a sniffle, you
12:3512 minutes, 35 secondscan take them in there, get them checked out, and get them back to school before they've really missed first period. Right? The problem is any ER claim, because of the nature of what they do,
12:4312 minutes, 43 secondsis astronomically more expensive. You may have a $10,000 cold and flu visit that would have been a $100 at your
12:5112 minutes, 51 secondsprimary care physician because the ER it just cost that much to go to an ER because they've got everything there in case you're walking in the door with who knows what kind of emergency, right? So,
13:0113 minutes, 1 secondone of the things that we've done here is in option one, we've put a $150 co-pay on an ER visit just to try to
13:0813 minutes, 8 secondsremind folks, hey, it it basically triggers in that brain, is this really an emergency or can I can I go to my primary care physician, but it's not so
13:1613 minutes, 16 secondsastronomically high that, you know, it's going to going to hammer folks, right?
13:2113 minutes, 21 secondsAnd then option two, which is your current option, this is where I said there is one small change, but I didn't want to didn't want to break stride, is
13:2813 minutes, 28 secondsgoing to be that there's a $100 co-ay on ER visits even on option two which is which is the plan that everybody has
13:3513 minutes, 35 secondsnow. So, and the way that would work is it would apply it apply to the deductible first and then you would still owe the copay. So, you know, once
13:4313 minutes, 43 secondsyou've hit that $1,000 deductible, we still don't want to encourage folks if it's a non-e situation to go to that ER.
13:5113 minutes, 51 secondsWe want them to use their primary care physician. We looked at the data and it looks to be about 64 claims last year.
13:5813 minutes, 58 secondsWe can identify it pretty easily because because of the the the codes that are used by the doctors there. About 64
14:0614 minutes, 6 secondsclaims or what translated to be about $100,000 in claim spending were for non-emergent codes in an emergency room
14:1314 minutes, 13 secondssetting. So we're not just guessing, you know, we can we can use the data from your self-unded plan to inform where we
14:2014 minutes, 20 secondsgo from here. Before when we're fully insured, we're just roping around in the dark honestly because you don't have access to any of that data. So, that's a
14:2914 minutes, 29 secondsvery high level overview. Thank you. I know that was kind of like watching grass grow sometimes, but I wanted to sort of let you know that you've done some really smart things. Number one,
14:3714 minutes, 37 secondsyou've gone you've gone self-funded.
14:3814 minutes, 38 secondsWhat that does is that puts a lot of people who are even smarter than me getting eyes on your claims and doing analysis and saying, "Okay, where are
14:4614 minutes, 46 secondsthese cost centers, things like pharmacy, things like ER claims, so on and so forth." So, what we want to do this year is add this dual option. We
14:5414 minutes, 54 secondswant to see how that performs and then we want to come back to you next year. We'll have even more data to say, okay, this worked. We should do more of it.
15:0215 minutes, 2 secondsThis didn't seem to have as big of an impact and so maybe we'll look at making some of these other changes. But with that, I'd be happy to take any questions that you have.
15:1715 minutes, 17 secondsI didn't change that.
15:2515 minutes, 25 secondsYes. So, under both plans right now, you have um a prescription drug co-pay for preventive drugs, which is a $10
15:3215 minutes, 32 secondsgeneric, $35 name brand, and then a $60 non-preferred.
15:3715 minutes, 37 secondsWe we put that exact same card on option one, but because the deductibles are so different, in real life, it's going to
15:4415 minutes, 44 secondswork out very differently. So on your current plan, you probably don't notice much of a difference between a preventive medication and a
15:5215 minutes, 52 secondsnonpreventive drug list medication because once you hit that $250 deductible, even if it's a if it's not on the preventive list, the countyy's paying 80% of it, you're just paying 20.
16:0216 minutes, 2 secondsSo you may not notice that big of a difference between the two drugs. On this new option, on this base option, which again doesn't cost you anything.
16:1016 minutes, 10 secondsSo there's in exchange you're going to pay a little more cost is that if you're on that preventive RX you'll still pay $10 generic 35 name brand or or $60
16:1716 minutes, 17 secondsnon-preferred but if it's not on the list you've got to satisfy that $1,000 deductible first and then the county is going to pay 80% of the cost after that
16:2616 minutes, 26 secondswhich still is a very generous plan but it but it will make a a large difference which is why we anticipate that this
16:3316 minutes, 33 secondsthis will this will help suppress claims. I mean, this is you're to the point to where if we don't start to put in some other less rich options,
16:4416 minutes, 44 secondsthis is really going to start to be quite frank
16:5016 minutes, 50 secondsand also we added the tears so that could help. Yeah. Another thing you'll notice here,
16:5716 minutes, 57 secondsyou've always had just an employee only or a family rate. So, if you're a single employee, you don't need coverage on a spouse or any dependence, you would pay
17:0317 minutes, 3 secondsthat rate. uh past that, you just paid the family rate. What most groups have gone to over the last several years is a
17:1017 minutes, 10 secondsfour tier rating system. Uh and so the idea is that children typically,
17:1517 minutes, 15 secondsstatistically speaking, should be less expensive to ensure they're not they don't have chronic illnesses that adults have, that sort of thing. So you'll see there's a there's a a tier employee plus
17:2417 minutes, 24 secondsspouse. Um there's a tier for employee plus any number of children. So, if I work for the county and I have four
17:3117 minutes, 31 secondschildren, but my spouse has coverage elsewhere or I don't have a spouse,
17:3617 minutes, 36 secondswhatever, I would fall into that employee plus child rate. So, that's employee plus any number of children. And then family is simply two adults,
17:4517 minutes, 45 secondsany number of children. Uh, but that way we can kind of parse that out. You know,
17:4817 minutes, 48 secondsthere when we looked at the tiers, there were some folks who were probably paying a little more. They just had employee spouse, but they were paying the full
17:5617 minutes, 56 secondsfamily rate. So, we wanted to kind of acknowledge that. The other Because if you got a got a single parent or somebody like that, they're they're getting a little bit of a discount as
18:0418 minutes, 4 secondsopposed to having to pay that full family rate. They're just playing that employee plus child.
18:1318 minutes, 13 secondsThank you. Meant to cover both of those. Any other questions about this?
18:2418 minutes, 24 secondsOkay. Uh Blue Cross, just to remind you guys, we talked about this at the last two two years as we've gotten into this.
18:3018 minutes, 30 secondsBut now that you're self-insured, you also get to share in some of the things like pharmacy rebates and other things.
18:3618 minutes, 36 secondsUh Blue Cross is increasing those uh rebate reimbursements back to the county. That is that is baked into these cost projections. But just so you know,
18:4518 minutes, 45 secondsyour plan is running the way we designed the term. Now we just got to look at okay what what are some things that we
18:5118 minutes, 51 secondscan do to contain cost in some areas um so Michael this is probably as much a
18:5918 minutes, 59 secondsconversation for these ladies as it is for you or maybe more for the ladies um we we kind
19:0719 minutes, 7 secondsof along with plan kind of like it has been and you know we haven't changed premiums in the last bunch of years as
19:1519 minutes, 15 secondsfar as what the employees see Um, but we've obviously had to put more money into the kitty.
19:2419 minutes, 24 secondsSo, you know, when you look at how much we budgeted last year and where we are at in the current
19:3119 minutes, 31 secondsfiscal year, did the amount of money that we put in last year, was it sufficient to get us through this?
19:4019 minutes, 40 secondsWe are running really close. If we get by, we're going to barely get by.
19:4619 minutes, 46 secondsSo, what you're saying is you did a great job of budgeting. Okay. Um so,
19:5519 minutes, 55 secondsso having said that, so we we we know that that you know, whatever that exposure was, we have we've got it head covered this year.
20:0420 minutes, 4 secondsSo the changes that that Michael is talking about that you guys are talking about
20:1220 minutes, 12 secondsyou know what's what's I mean I know this is very smoking mirror I mean we don't know until you do it. I mean you
20:1820 minutes, 18 secondsknow but you you got to look at this as like you said you saw some of those uh
20:2520 minutes, 25 secondsthose behaviors that you're trying to curtail.
20:3220 minutes, 32 secondsSo if you obviously what we want to do is we want to cail those to the point where it reduces the amount that we're putting in that bucket. So having said
20:4120 minutes, 41 secondsall this even and with this in here like it is what what what y'all's thoughts about the bucket for this year? I mean that's the part that we have to to deal with.
20:5320 minutes, 53 secondsSo and we've been talking about that all afternoon.
20:5620 minutes, 56 secondsUm I mean is Michael going to offset? I mean,
20:5820 minutes, 58 secondsI know he did such a great job of offsetting some of that with a check last year. That's right. So, if you'll stroke us another check, Mike, we'll be all right. No.
21:0621 minutes, 6 secondsUm,
21:0721 minutes, 7 secondsdo you want me to speak to the underwriters? Yeah. Projection. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. All right. So, again,
21:1321 minutes, 13 secondsplease don't write this number down and then subtract it from exactly, you know,
21:1721 minutes, 17 secondsbecause as you point out, it's not an exact,
21:2021 minutes, 20 secondsbut the underwriters back of the envelope projection of just offering this dual option, they thought we would
21:2821 minutes, 28 secondsabout a half a million dollar reduction in claims. Then if we add to that what we're doing on the ER co-ay, again,
21:3921 minutes, 39 secondssome folks are still going to just go to the ER because that's what they do and they're going to pay $150 or $100 which plan they're on. But but for anybody
21:4721 minutes, 47 secondsthat was kind of hitting that as a convenience item, you know, if we can if we can knock that out again, there's about $100,000 in non-emers.
21:5621 minutes, 56 secondsUm, so those two together, $600,000, is that an exact number? Absolutely not.
22:0222 minutes, 2 secondsUm, you know, we want to see how this does. Um, the other thing, as you pointed out, and again, it's this is probably this is a multi-year
22:1022 minutes, 10 secondsdiscussion. You know, you can't turn a big ship that fast, but you're right,
22:1522 minutes, 15 secondsyou haven't raised premiums on the employees in several years. And so when we look at the cost or the impact of these changes,
22:2522 minutes, 25 secondsit didn't move the needle nearly as much as it would have as if we said, "Okay,
22:2922 minutes, 29 secondsnow all of a sudden the employees got to pay $100 a month or you know because that is a part of that claims funding as well." Right? Now that you're selfinsured, you just got to come up
22:3722 minutes, 37 secondswith claims dollars. come up. It comes from employee premiums, it comes from their deductibles, and it comes from everything that you're pay.
22:4522 minutes, 45 secondsSo, I'm having this dual conversation here.
22:4922 minutes, 49 secondsUm, with the changes that you're looking at, the tiers, the two options, all those things,
22:5822 minutes, 58 secondsrealizing that under the old system, we came in, you know, again, if we hit the budget,
23:0623 minutes, 6 secondswe hit the budget. That's what that's what we're here for. So, I mean, would you guys look at this next fiscal year putting in the same amount?
23:1723 minutes, 17 secondsWe're still going to go up. Yeah, because the fixed cost went up.
23:2023 minutes, 20 secondsYeah. Due to the stock cost and the high.
23:2223 minutes, 22 secondsSo, what what kind of percentage are y'all looking at?
23:2423 minutes, 24 secondsUm, we originally thought it could be up to 3.4, but what we did was
23:3323 minutes, 33 secondswhat we looked at today the fixed coming up about $350,000.
23:3923 minutes, 39 secondsAnd if you base that on the claims that we're barely making now, that's about 3.1 is what we would be asking for.
23:4923 minutes, 49 secondsThere's 2.9 in there now. So, it would raise the current budget that we Yeah, about 17,000
23:5823 minutes, 58 secondswith hopes that I understand. I mean, okay.
24:0824 minutes, 8 secondsI don't know who I you can't I mean I'll th I'll pick up a rock and throw it at Michael but other than that I mean I have a hard time seeing where we
24:1624 minutes, 16 secondshave a lot to fuss about if that's what we're talking about I mean I understand there's a lot of moving parts in this but ultimately if that works and that
24:2524 minutes, 25 secondsworks page 18 it says 10% increase in
24:3724 minutes, 37 secondswe were that was before we had the the data. We were just guessing.
24:4324 minutes, 43 secondsSo we've already Yeah.
24:4924 minutes, 49 secondsSpeaking of those fixed costs increasing,
24:5224 minutes, 52 secondsit's hard. I know because you're not looking at at this chart. Um there's some personally identifiable information on here which is why we don't distribute
24:5924 minutes, 59 secondsthis out to everybody. But you've got eight members that constitute that 1.85 million
25:0825 minutes, 8 secondsclaims. And that's again, there's nothing you can do about that. Those folks, they're high claimments. And so that's that's what's driving that fixed
25:1625 minutes, 16 secondscost increase that 350 that she's talking about. But again, if you're fully insured,
25:2225 minutes, 22 secondsinstead of taking that increase just on the stop loss, you take it globally on all the right. So this the idea is that
25:3025 minutes, 30 secondsin every six years, you have two bad ones and four good ones.
25:3625 minutes, 36 secondsSo the idea is that while the fixed cost may go up, if your claims then level out over the next two years, you start to get some.
25:4725 minutes, 47 secondsMichael, is there any with the four tier system? Is there any possibility that some employees might take their spouse
25:5525 minutes, 55 secondsmay take their wherever their spouse has insurance? Is that is that a potential benefit as well? It it absolutely is. Um, this is not
26:0326 minutes, 3 secondssomething y'all have ever done, but just so you know the possibilities,
26:0726 minutes, 7 secondsyou you can absolutely say, and many companies do, if if your spouse is offered coverage, you can't take this coverage. You know, they they've got to
26:1526 minutes, 15 secondstake the coverage that's offered to them as an employee of their of their employer. Again, that's not something that you all say now, but the four tier rate could help with that as well. If
26:2226 minutes, 22 secondsthey say, well, actually, I can get it at work cheaper because they pay 100%
26:2626 minutes, 26 secondsfor employee only. It it may also take away some of those claims as well.
26:3926 minutes, 39 secondsSo we you haven't made the adjustment.
26:4126 minutes, 41 secondsI have not. uh when y'all hear the presentation, but we're recommending 3.1 3.1% and and we you know, it could be more,
26:4926 minutes, 49 secondsbut we're hoping with the changes we've made, it will be Oh, sorry.
27:0627 minutes, 6 secondsDo y'all want me to go ahead and make the change or
27:1527 minutes, 15 secondsI think I think based off what we just heard where we're at,
27:2827 minutes, 28 secondsbut see now that's not what we really discussed a minute ago. I guess that's where I'm getting confused. I thought we were at 2.9 last year. Then we're going to go
27:3527 minutes, 35 seconds2.9 is what I had estimated and the budget that I gave you last time. We were at 2.6 last time. That's a 17%.
27:4527 minutes, 45 secondsAnd so, but you think that we're going to be hitting close to 2.6. That's where we were hitting this year.
27:5327 minutes, 53 secondsYeah. And we're hoping the claims will go down. We're using last year's claims plus the increase is what we're doing for the fixed cost,
28:0228 minutes, 2 secondssaying that it will be about 3.1.
28:0928 minutes, 9 secondsThat's not nearly as attractive as what we I had envisioned in our compensation model.
28:1528 minutes, 15 secondsSo again, we're going to hit 2.6 this year.
28:1928 minutes, 19 secondsWe're offering these up these other flexible options and you're still looking at this coming
28:2628 minutes, 26 secondsin at 3.1. Now that's not as good as I would like. 16% increase.
28:3428 minutes, 34 secondsYeah. Yeah.
28:3628 minutes, 36 secondsWhat's the national Michael, what's the what's the average? Well,
28:4228 minutes, 42 secondswhen you start looking at, you know, not being I mean, just not not not let's not talk about cost. Let's just talk about rate of increase year-over-year.
28:5028 minutes, 50 secondsYeah. This year's been especially bad.
28:5228 minutes, 52 secondsUm I was telling Crystal before I came in here, I've got another group size that the same time. They're still fully insured with Blue Cross, but they're big enough now I get large claims reports.
29:0329 minutes, 3 secondsThey're in pretty similar health position. You all are. They're taking a 49% fully this year. So they're asking
29:1029 minutes, 10 secondsme now and I would say that's not unusual. I've got 60% renewals on my desk. I've got
29:1829 minutes, 18 seconds45% renewals on my desk. This year has been particularly bad because there were a lot of federal changes. There's just less there's just less money swimming
29:2629 minutes, 26 secondsaround the system. And so reimbursements rates change. Provider groups have to charge insurance companies more to be in their networks. And there's just this
29:3429 minutes, 34 secondsreshuffle to me and again I'm just looking at the
29:4429 minutes, 44 secondsnumbers. So I mean if we actual in 2024 25 we're at 2.3 million
29:5229 minutes, 52 secondsthen we get 2.6 and again you guys think we're come close to getting 2.6. Um
30:0930 minutes, 9 secondsthis is on a stronger uh increase trajectory than the majority of our expenses. Sure.
30:1730 minutes, 17 secondsAnd we're making the and we are making these changes.
30:2530 minutes, 25 secondsQuestion on the solid waste. We have for insurance as well.
30:3430 minutes, 34 secondsYes, that's not in the 3.1.
30:3830 minutes, 38 secondsNo, their their claims are running low enough I think that they are okay. Uh but we did not reduce it because one bad claim for them can probably throw them.
30:4830 minutes, 48 secondsSo, but and then is the highway department they're okay as well. Okay.
30:5530 minutes, 55 secondsBut total if we were to and I'm just curious like our medical insurance because you have different buckets you
31:0331 minutes, 3 secondsknow what is it what what is the total that we're budgeting for medical insurance alone
31:1331 minutes, 13 secondsthat today um I think we budgeted around 900,000 for highway
31:2731 minutes, 27 secondsI've got the numbers here, but I don't know if these are the same as your
31:3431 minutes, 34 secondsall in the projection was about 4 4.439 across all departments.
31:4131 minutes, 41 secondsAnd that that's another great point which is in the past some the highway would run hot the would run better, vice
31:5031 minutes, 50 secondsversa, right? We've split all those buckets out now. So, we know for sure that one is not subsidizing the other.
31:5731 minutes, 57 secondsUh, and just so you know, the highway department made a very what was a difficult choice for them once we went self-insured, which was take that
32:0532 minutes, 5 secondsretiree population and move them to a Medicare advantage plan. As a result of that, their claims are under control,
32:1132 minutes, 11 secondsright? And so now this dual option is kind of the county's first step to try to start turning that ship as well. So when we change things, it does have an
32:1932 minutes, 19 secondsimpact, but we also know that there's real lives involved. And so we want to make them incrementally. You know,
32:2432 minutes, 24 secondsyou're turning a turning a big boat, not a not a small boat. So also, does this uh potentially
32:3432 minutes, 34 secondskind of pave the way of some high uh deductible uh whatever HD or HSA?
32:4332 minutes, 43 secondsWell, like HSA like I I have a HSA. I have high deductible deductible is like $7,000,
32:4932 minutes, 49 secondsright? Um that could that could be a third option that we want to add in the future. You know, the state plan has a high deductible health plan paired with an HSA, especially younger employees.
32:5932 minutes, 59 secondsThey love that. You know, uh my wife and I, I participate started participating in HSA before I was ever married. I was
33:0733 minutes, 7 secondsprobably 21, 22, my first job. I kind of set a payroll deferral into that. Honestly, forgot about it. you know,
33:1433 minutes, 14 secondsfive, six years goes by. I'm now I'm married. I've still got my HSA. We paid for the delivery of our first two children out of money that I had saved
33:2233 minutes, 22 secondsin my early 20s that I honestly forgot was in there, you know, because it was just coming out a little bit each paycheck. Um, so for folks who
33:3033 minutes, 30 secondsunderstand and and see the value in that, that's huge. The state plan added a high deductible HGHP health plan um a
33:3733 minutes, 37 secondscouple years ago, and I mean, folks swear by it, right? But if it's right for you, it's right for you. the the premium projected on that because you
33:4533 minutes, 45 secondsknow you're talking about then a $5,000 deductible or you know some something much higher. The premium projected on that would be rock bottom, right?
33:5233 minutes, 52 secondsBecause the employees are they're taking on that liability.
34:0934 minutes, 9 secondsSo, any other questions for Michael?
34:1834 minutes, 18 secondsWe got them.
34:2734 minutes, 27 secondsWe appreciate your time. Appreciate you coming and explaining some things to us. Sure. Thank you. We may have some questions after.
34:3734 minutes, 37 secondsUnderstood. Yeah. Anytime. we're easy to reach and then like I said we're not just going to make these changes and put a blindfold on. I mean we'll be looking
34:4434 minutes, 44 secondsat that performance then you know quarterly see see how things are going u and then continue to make recommendations in the future.
34:5134 minutes, 51 secondsAnd I was I'm thinking three years ago we were up around 40 or 50% I think was the increase those fully insured renewals were we're going from bad to
35:0035 minutesworse. That's right. And we also got into a point because of those high claimments that we talked about where other carriers were saying, "Hey, if
35:0835 minutes, 8 secondsBlue Cross wants you, they they have you." So, we were we were also running out of other other markets to go to. So,
35:1735 minutes, 17 secondsyeah, this is this is the most efficient way to do it because you're not paying anybody else a profit to run it, right? I mean, you're you're the insurance company.
35:3135 minutes, 31 secondsAll right. Thank you. Thank you.
35:3535 minutes, 35 secondsAll right. Now up is uh on the agenda is a work session.
35:4035 minutes, 40 secondsSo any uh budgets that we would like to go
35:4635 minutes, 46 secondsthrough or try to discuss tonight?
36:0136 minutes, 1 secondquestion may have done it. I just haven't you worked your magic
36:0936 minutes, 9 secondsand budget as presented.
36:1436 minutes, 14 secondsUm I can before we do that on the revenue code 44131 for the smokeless
36:2136 minutes, 21 secondstobacco when we were going over it something wrong last week and I got to look at that. I think that 95 needs to move up to 160,000.
36:3136 minutes, 31 secondsAnd are you okay if I go ahead and make that change? We're increasing the revenue. Yeah.
36:4236 minutes, 42 secondsMore magic.
36:5536 minutes, 55 secondsI I suspect because it's a sheriff. I mean that's anticipated like I mean we're that would
37:0137 minutes, 1 secondbe but it could be a little bit more but we were trying to be conservative because it's our first year.
37:0937 minutes, 9 secondsSure.
37:1337 minutes, 13 secondsSo right now explain where we're at.
37:1837 minutes, 18 secondsOkay. So we're projecting 5.6 million beginning balance with the current budget as is at 3 million 17647.
37:3237 minutes, 32 secondsSo we're hitting the bounce for 2.4 million and that's at the 17.
37:4637 minutes, 46 secondsWe're looking at the deficit of 45.4 That's at the 17. Oh, I haven't updated that. I'm sorry.
37:5637 minutes, 56 secondsRight.
38:1738 minutes, 17 seconds48.7 short.
38:2538 minutes, 25 secondsThat's the tax rate of 17151 would go to whatever shot.
38:4738 minutes, 47 secondsThat'll make me sleep.
38:5038 minutes, 50 secondsI mean, that's But that's that's 28 numbers right now. That's 28 $85,000.
39:1939 minutes, 19 secondsSell some more cigarettes. We saw the beer.
39:4639 minutes, 46 secondsAll right.
39:4839 minutes, 48 secondsany uh particular fund that we want to that's
39:5639 minutes, 56 secondsfund with a D we want to go into or look at or discuss
40:1040 minutes, 10 secondsthe nonprofits
40:2040 minutes, 20 secondsThat's in the very front part um of your book
40:3240 minutes, 32 secondsthe 32nd uh the child advocacy center.
40:3540 minutes, 35 secondsThey didn't ask for any is there any what are we not did they just go away?
40:4340 minutes, 43 secondsWhat's the I haven't heard anything from I was surprised that they didn't present us.
41:0341 minutes, 3 secondsI'd be open for any motions or discussions.
41:1341 minutes, 13 secondsI think the one who brought it up motion was made it county
41:2141 minutes, 21 secondsas a whole benefit the whole county we should not
41:3241 minutes, 32 secondscot a motion by commissioner Jordan to remove
41:4041 minutes, 40 secondsthe two requests for the community centers. Second by commission. Any discussion?
41:4841 minutes, 48 secondsWhat's the motion to remove the two community center the 10,000 request?
42:0542 minutes, 5 secondsAny discussion on it? 20,000.
42:2042 minutes, 20 secondsNot roll. You got the motion. Matthew Barnhill. Yes. Danny Clark.
42:2842 minutes, 28 secondsYes. Steve. Yes. Jim Har. Yes. Dusty Jordan. Yes. Mayberry. Yes. Murray. Yes.
42:3642 minutes, 36 secondsKeith Nash. Yes. Deon Picker. Yes. Ron Pucket. Yes. 10. Yes.
42:4342 minutes, 43 secondsYes. Motion carries.
43:1243 minutes, 12 secondsUm,
43:1743 minutes, 17 secondsI've had a conversation with several here. If you look at the county's growth, but year-over-year, the county
43:2543 minutes, 25 secondsgrew at about 3%. That's that was that's what we did. Um
43:3243 minutes, 32 secondsand so you know I I believe the government needs to you know not outpace
43:3943 minutes, 39 secondswhat we have out there in the world. Um so having said that I mean and this is you know my thoughts um you know the
43:4843 minutes, 48 secondsfire association at we gave in 156 last year 3%
43:5343 minutes, 53 secondsuh of 156 3% increase will take that to 160,680
44:0244 minutes, 2 secondsI make a motion that that number becomes thou 160,680 motion
44:1144 minutes, 11 secondsby Commissioner Her to adjust the fire association to 168.
44:1944 minutes, 19 secondsAny discussion? Matthew Barhill.
44:3044 minutes, 30 secondsYes. Danny, yes. Steve, yes. Jim Har. Yes. Dusty Jordan. Ron Mayberry. Yes. Ricky Murray.
44:3944 minutes, 39 secondsYes. Nash. Yes. Deon. Yes. Pucket. Yes.
44:5444 minutes, 54 secondsShould adjust that.
45:0945 minutes, 9 secondsnumber of 22.3 pennies.
45:1645 minutes, 16 secondsStill 2 mil.
45:2845 minutes, 28 secondsAny other discussion on nonprofits that we want to discuss tonight?
45:3845 minutes, 38 secondsAll right. What would we like to give jump to next?
45:5945 minutes, 59 secondsI'm really trying to take a lesser role in this budget since I'm going to be gone in a minute.
46:0546 minutes, 5 secondsBut it doesn't seem like we've got any volunteers to to be boisterous. You're good at it, man.
46:1246 minutes, 12 secondsWhat are you going to do next year is is my question. Let's pull up Pete. Let's get the low hanging fruit while we're
46:1946 minutes, 19 secondsdoing this. All right, let's go to uh 101 down to
46:2846 minutes, 28 secondspage 410
46:3946 minutes, 39 seconds14.
46:4546 minutes, 45 secondsThat was a in total that was a if you flip on over to page 15 that's a $20,000 increase in civil defense.
46:5646 minutes, 56 secondsSome of that's changed because there was a had typed in 36,000 and it was 3600.
47:0547 minutes, 5 secondsSo just I think the request
47:1547 minutes, 15 secondsyou know, we could discuss first is the uh moving up a full-time ops manager.
47:2547 minutes, 25 secondsSeems like that would be a good point to start discussing.
47:3447 minutes, 34 secondsI believe I remember beat speech was in regards to that they would
47:4047 minutes, 40 secondsmove from um other salaries and wages I think up to a fulltime position there.
47:5347 minutes, 53 secondsSo yeah,
47:5647 minutes, 56 secondsso the the full time that he has now used to be paid from the 189 and he was moving her up to 106 and the two
48:0548 minutes, 5 secondspositions in the 189 are two new positions.
48:1048 minutes, 10 secondsHe wants to make her the deputy and then operations manager and a planner.
48:2048 minutes, 20 secondsWhat does operation manager kind of do besides
48:3148 minutes, 31 secondsI think currently she's the operations manager but um I can't speak to her job duties that would be
48:4448 minutes, 44 secondsAsh. So,
48:4848 minutes, 48 secondsfirst off, I'll side note is echoing what Commissioner Clark said earlier. But, uh, having said that, what
48:5748 minutes, 57 secondswould what does the budget look like if they said 3% no new people?
49:1149 minutes, 11 secondsSorry.
49:2049 minutes, 20 secondsDo you want me to leave her in the 106 and just give her the 3%?
49:2849 minutes, 28 secondsIt doesn't bother me as long as it's 3%. No new people.
49:3249 minutes, 32 secondsYou can call Bunny.
49:5349 minutes, 53 secondsand take it back down to where it was back.
50:1250 minutes, 12 secondsWhat's the percentage of increase? Little over the 10.
50:3350 minutes, 33 secondsWell, I mean, I almost want to sit there. In my opinion, this was so kind of wacky to begin with, excuse my language, but now that we we've
50:4250 minutes, 42 secondscurtailed that, I'd almost send this budget back to EMA and say, "Okay, right now you're at 12. He's going to have to
50:5050 minutes, 50 secondsmake it four and then he's going to have to go and figure out how to make that work." So, I mean, I don't know,
50:5850 minutes, 58 secondsyou know, where where that may be, but again, the county grew at 3%. these departments that are growing at rates ex
51:0651 minutes, 6 secondsexcess, you know, in excess of that. I think we have to that's what will always get us in trouble.
51:1751 minutes, 17 secondsSorry, I didn't see that. It brings it down just a little bit.
51:5151 minutes, 51 secondsWell, I mean, again, it's up to this body. I mean, look,
51:5651 minutes, 56 secondsacross the county, we grew this we grew this business called Hickman County on the revenue side so to speak at 3%. And
52:0552 minutes, 5 secondsso the only the way we don't make up a budget shortfall is to grow at a rate on the revenue side
52:1452 minutes, 14 secondsand double that rate of growth on the expenditure side. That's not how you fix a budget in my opinion.
52:2952 minutes, 29 secondsyour recommendation to bring and I mean I mean I'm not trying to interrupt you.
52:3952 minutes, 39 secondsI follow but I mean I think that we look at all of these county budgets have sat there and said we're going to come in at 3% of our employee races. Correct me if
52:4852 minutes, 48 secondsI'm wrong. We've always kind of looked at the state. Okay. the states is only budgeting 2.6% increase, not three. So,
52:5952 minutes, 59 secondswe're already being a little more benevolent than what we have had in the past. So, in my opinion, before we start
53:0753 minutes, 7 secondsand say we everybody's going to go back to 2.6 six on the employee side on the salary side.
53:1453 minutes, 14 secondsLet's let's let's set a target for these folks three and a half% maybe something and send these budgets back and say,
53:2153 minutes, 21 seconds"Okay, you can keep your 3% salary, but your overall budget increase has to be X." And let's put those guys folks back
53:3053 minutes, 30 secondsto work to to bring that into into Q.
53:3853 minutes, 38 secondsAnd and while we're on this, just so that we have these numbers in our head.
53:4253 minutes, 42 secondsHey, Crystal, do you mind looking at sales tax?
53:5253 minutes, 52 secondsAnd I haven't looked at any of these numbers at all.
54:0054 minutesI haven't looked at any of these numbers at all. So, it may be Who knows what we're up that's on page one,
54:0654 minutes, 6 secondsright? So that you we've got you throw it in there at 2.3, right?
54:1154 minutes, 11 secondsOkay. So where are we? Uh what's the last what's the last month uh that I have would be March.
54:1954 minutes, 19 secondsOkay. So could you run actual March?
54:2354 minutes, 23 secondsYeah. Right now uh for March we have 1.6 1,643,98524.
54:3254 minutes, 32 secondsAll right. I'm sorry. That's that's Give it to me one more time. I apologize.
54:4054 minutes, 40 seconds1,643,98524. One more time.
54:4954 minutes, 49 seconds1,643,985. Okay.
54:5754 minutes, 57 secondsPretty good. We're at 21. So,
55:0755 minutes, 7 secondsuh, yeah, that's going to be two three. But again, you if you look at that 23,
55:1655 minutes, 16 secondsyou know, you see that we're actually making some strides on sales tax,
55:2155 minutes, 21 secondssales tax is exceeding property tax increases because
55:2755 minutes, 27 secondsthis the C, I mean, every Amazon truck every FedEx truck is the same as if you went to Walmart in in Hitman County.
55:3755 minutes, 37 secondsEverybody needs to understand that. And that's where we're seeing these huge that's why that number continues to have
55:4355 minutes, 43 secondsa more of a steeper climb than than property tax. And so I'm just I just
55:5255 minutes, 52 secondswanted to know that for my own sake. So I apologize. I didn't mean to interrupt you.
55:5855 minutes, 58 secondsAnd I I had pull some sales numbers for the last five years and that is about the same trend. That's about 8% increase
56:0556 minutes, 5 secondsand that's about what we've been trending over the last four or five years as opposed to appreciation of property
56:1456 minutes, 14 secondsand the what we're going to call the traditional real growth that that's growing at a rate that's I mean it's a it's another clip.
56:2456 minutes, 24 secondsThank goodness.
56:3756 minutes, 37 secondsWhat you were saying was that that we should set a a base and send this back to the
56:4456 minutes, 44 secondsinter department. We need to set what we want at the arbitrary point.
56:5856 minutes, 58 secondscloser to a real number. That makes sense. And there may be circumstances.
57:2257 minutes, 22 secondsI I'm going to take up for the sheriff.
57:2457 minutes, 24 secondsI mean, I I think I read these numbers other night. Make sure and I think I can move them down.
57:2957 minutes, 29 secondsI think he's like 3.7%. I think the sheriff's appointment uh now I'm talking on the patrol side
57:3657 minutes, 36 secondsis yeah 3.7 versus the original. I didn't
57:4357 minutes, 43 secondsdo the jail is a different story is 8.1%. So,
57:5157 minutes, 51 secondsyeah,
57:5457 minutes, 54 secondsand the judge left, so he can't help us tonight. Get rid of people.
58:0258 minutes, 2 secondsI'm thinking the trustee I know they had a circumstance with the bond situation.
58:0858 minutes, 8 secondsSo, I I don't know that want to have to do that.
58:1358 minutes, 13 secondsThat's a whole lot in a small budget that she'd have to
58:2558 minutes, 25 secondsSo, Commissioner Jordan, are you making a motion to number
58:3258 minutes, 32 secondsthree? What number we three for salaries, 4% overall, right?
58:3758 minutes, 37 secondsWhat I think I keep and send it back any over bring it forward.
58:4658 minutes, 46 secondsI know like I said there are circumstances we cannot avoid
58:5458 minutes, 54 secondsthat. So we got to take that into account when it comes back to us. We got a motion by Commissioner Gordon.
59:0159 minutes, 1 secondIs there a second? Second by Commissioner. Any discussion?
59:0559 minutes, 5 secondsI'm still I'm having trouble hearing. I didn't bring my hearing aid. I'm having trouble here. You got an extra one.
59:1559 minutes, 15 secondsLet let me uh 3% on uh salaries 4% overall unless there's some kind of extenduating the
59:2359 minutes, 23 secondscircumstance situation within the budget which some of them did call out send it back to the
59:3159 minutes, 31 secondsdepartment head offending department offending departments not all but you've offended
59:4359 minutes, 43 secondsthe well like the sheriff's his budget involves gasoline.
59:5259 minutes, 52 secondsThe Chevron didn't hold itself to 3%. We we we get that. I I hope we're smart enough and
1:00:001 hourhave done this long enough that that we can see through that.
1:00:051 hour, 5 secondsthat it's growing at 3%. We don't need a 10% wish list in this.
1:00:131 hour, 13 secondsThat's just that's just my thinking.
1:00:151 hour, 15 secondsThat's the caveat with the extenduating circumstances
1:00:371 hour, 37 secondsadditions to ours.
1:00:431 hour, 43 secondsI think that includes continuate the circumstances. We all I think everybody up here understands that there's a new building that's getting opened and there's going to be some
1:00:521 hour, 52 secondseither one time or whatever expenses that might recurring expenses that might occur.
1:01:051 hour, 1 minute, 5 secondsAny other discussion about the motion that's on the floor?
1:01:121 hour, 1 minute, 12 secondsI got a question. Who's going to communicate that? Crystal and the mayor.
1:01:201 hour, 1 minute, 20 secondsWhen will they get it back to Yeah. When would they get it back?
1:01:271 hour, 1 minute, 27 secondsI don't I We can try to have it by Thursday.
1:01:331 hour, 1 minute, 33 secondsLet's Let's make that as a goal. I think that's a that's a beautiful goal.
1:01:371 hour, 1 minute, 37 secondsWe're all going to be back in this room Thursday.
1:01:441 hour, 1 minute, 44 secondssomebody that we had some discussions with a fairly new school board member about that.
1:02:011 hour, 2 minutes, 1 secondAny other discussion about the motions on the floor? Ron,
1:02:111 hour, 2 minutes, 11 secondsyes. Matthew Barnhill, yes. Danny Clark, yes. Steve,
1:02:191 hour, 2 minutes, 19 secondsyes. Jim, yes. Jordan, yes. Yes. Nash.
1:02:261 hour, 2 minutes, 26 secondsYes. Yes. Motion carries.
1:02:371 hour, 2 minutes, 37 secondsWell, we'll put 101 to the side for right now. Does anybody want to talk about another fun bit?
1:03:061 hour, 3 minutes, 6 secondsLet's look at 122.
1:03:101 hour, 3 minutes, 10 secondsIt's an easy easier commission. Next.
1:03:191 hour, 3 minutes, 19 secondsUm, I'll make a motion that we approve 122, 125, and 127 as presented.
1:03:261 hour, 3 minutes, 26 secondsThe motion on the floor mash. I got a second by Commission Pucket.
1:03:331 hour, 3 minutes, 33 secondsAny discussion on the adequate? I got a question. on
1:03:451 hour, 3 minutes, 45 secondsthe adequate facilities tax. Where are we in comparison surrounding counties
1:03:541 hour, 3 minutes, 54 secondson what we charge, right?
1:04:001 hour, 4 minutesDid a little research on that with the director of planning and zoning.
1:04:081 hour, 4 minutes, 8 secondsChetum county has a nice one. It's $7,500 plus 50 cents a foot.
1:04:171 hour, 4 minutes, 17 secondsI think last time I saw some some of them around us are impact
1:04:251 hour, 4 minutes, 25 secondsfees and they're they're a little bit that's a little bit different animal but from what I remember a few months ago
1:04:331 hour, 4 minutes, 33 secondsDusty's right way below what several of them are.
1:04:411 hour, 4 minutes, 41 secondsI do know I'm sorry.
1:04:441 hour, 4 minutes, 44 secondsfees impales
1:05:011 hour, 5 minutes, 1 secondpermanent fees were very low versus um would that would that be something that we would discuss in the budget or is that something in the zoning and
1:05:091 hour, 5 minutes, 9 secondsplanning would discuss? That's what I was saying.
1:05:131 hour, 5 minutes, 13 secondsIt's really typically it's pretty poor job to try to change a rule inside the budget. The budget just need to reflect the rule.
1:05:271 hour, 5 minutes, 27 secondsAnd I and and I would like to withdraw my my I'd like to amend my motion that
1:05:331 hour, 5 minutes, 33 secondswe approve of 122 and 127 as presented and then we'll take up 12
1:05:411 hour, 5 minutes, 41 secondsuh after.
1:05:441 hour, 5 minutes, 44 secondsOkay. Got a withdraw then a motion or an amendment
1:05:501 hour, 5 minutes, 50 secondsto the motion to change it to 122 and 127 and the second by Commissioner Barn.
1:05:591 hour, 5 minutes, 59 secondsAny discussion on the amendment to the motion?
1:06:031 hour, 6 minutes, 3 secondsAll in favor say I. I have it. So now the amended motion is for 122 and 127.
1:06:121 hour, 6 minutes, 12 secondsMr. Nash, you have any other discussion on that? If not, let's roll.
1:06:211 hour, 6 minutes, 21 secondsNash, yes. Deon Picker, yes. Ron Hucket, yes. Matthew Barn, yes. Yes.
1:06:281 hour, 6 minutes, 28 secondsSteve, yes. Jim Har, yes. Jordan, yes. Ron Mayberry, yes. Ricky Murray, yes. 10. Yes.
1:06:361 hour, 6 minutes, 36 seconds10. Yes. Motion carries. 1227 is
1:06:431 hour, 6 minutes, 43 secondsum on on 125 which is the adequate facilities tax.
1:06:481 hour, 6 minutes, 48 secondsAgain, I think that we do need to address that, but this is really not the place to do that. But but I we we should do it. Um but I would like to make a
1:06:581 hour, 6 minutes, 58 secondsmotion that we uh do a $400,000 transfer out this year again like we did in previous years and for that uh that transfer out to go into 151.
1:07:091 hour, 7 minutes, 9 secondsUm,
1:07:111 hour, 7 minutes, 11 secondsyou know, this is something that that if you've been around here a while, you know, playing catch-up on adequate
1:07:181 hour, 7 minutes, 18 secondsfacilities tax, the the steps that we have to do in order how to how to utilize that can sometimes be a
1:07:261 hour, 7 minutes, 26 secondschallenge. So, it's just a whole lot easier if we just take a systematic amount from adequate facilities tax and stick it over at 151 on an annual basis.
1:07:361 hour, 7 minutes, 36 secondsright now. It just doesn't make sense not to do that. So, I'm I'm gonna make a motion that we do a transfer out on one
1:07:431 hour, 7 minutes, 43 secondsuh on 125 of 400,000 consistent with what we did last year and that transfer would end up landing in 151.
1:07:521 hour, 7 minutes, 52 secondsI got a motion by Commissioner Nash second by Commissioner Barnell 125
1:08:011 hour, 8 minutes, 1 secondgoing to 151 and Is that and to approve 125 as well?
1:08:101 hour, 8 minutes, 10 secondsOkay. 125. Any discussion? Roll call.
1:08:181 hour, 8 minutes, 18 secondsSecond. Ricky Murray. Yes. Nash. Yes. Deon Picker.
1:08:261 hour, 8 minutes, 26 secondsYes. Hook. Yes. Matthew Barnhill. Yes. Danny Clark. Yes. Steve Gian. Yes. Jim Haron. Yes. Jordan. Yes.
1:08:341 hour, 8 minutes, 34 secondsMayberry. Yes. Motion carries.
1:08:401 hour, 8 minutes, 40 secondsAnd so now with that 400,000 transfer into 151, I make a motion that we approve 151.
1:08:491 hour, 8 minutes, 49 secondsGot a motion by Commissioner Nana,
1:08:511 hour, 8 minutes, 51 secondssecond by Commissioner Jordan for 151 with the 400K added in added in.
1:09:021 hour, 9 minutes, 2 secondsAny discussion?
1:09:191 hour, 9 minutes, 19 secondsRon Mayberry. Yes. Ricky Murray. Yes. Keith Nash. Yes. Deon Picker. Yes. Ron Huck. Yes. Matthew Barham. Yes. Danny Clark.
1:09:261 hour, 9 minutes, 26 secondsYes. Steve. Yes. Jim Har. Yes. Jordan. Yes.
1:09:331 hour, 9 minutes, 33 secondsYes. Motion carries. All the bunny rabbits are out of my hat.
1:09:531 hour, 9 minutes, 53 secondsAny other work that we want to do tonight?
1:10:021 hour, 10 minutes, 2 secondsCrystal, you're all
1:10:241 hour, 10 minutes, 24 secondsBut but what we are what we're seeing there though in that estimated line is with the current pennies. Is that correct?
1:10:341 hour, 10 minutes, 34 secondsSo, I mean, I guess everybody needs to think about where do you want that uh fund balance
1:10:471 hour, 10 minutes, 47 secondsI'll take more.
1:10:501 hour, 10 minutes, 50 secondsBut I mean I mean to Matthew's point though, he's absolutely right. I mean about four is where we should be at. And if we can get, you know, after these guys come back and massage all this,
1:10:591 hour, 10 minutes, 59 secondsthen we need to go back and look at Any other discussion?
1:11:251 hour, 11 minutes, 25 secondsIf not, there's another motion made.
1:11:291 hour, 11 minutes, 29 secondsMotion by Commissioner Jordan, second by Commissioner