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19:4919 minutes, 49 secondsWe'll call the county police commission. July meeting to order.
19:5519 minutes, 55 secondsUh, if we can have a roll call, please. Will Mayberry here. Jeff Church here.
20:0420 minutes, 4 secondsTony Taylor here. Tommy Caps here. Danny Clark here. Andy Boon present. Bill Lane
20:1220 minutes, 12 secondshere. Jason Carter here. Paul Calcott here. Keith Nash here. Um and Andy Mats here.
20:2420 minutes, 24 secondsAll right. We have forum. Um you had in an email and you also had in front of you the minutes from the June 3rd meeting.
20:3620 minutes, 36 secondsNeed a motion to approve.
20:4320 minutes, 43 secondsSecond by Clark. Second by Any discussion?
20:5120 minutes, 51 secondsAll in favor say I. I. Those opposed. Next item is the approval of the agenda.
21:0121 minutes, 1 secondNashville. Uh I'd like to make a motion that we move the public comment period to after old business and before new business. That way some of these folks
21:1021 minutes, 10 secondsI'm sure are here to to talk about the land use plan and they can have an opportunity to hear what Gresham has to say and that may give them some more
21:1821 minutes, 18 secondsquestions or clarify some questions they may be asking. Motion to amend second floor.
21:2621 minutes, 26 secondsAny discussion? All in favor say I. I.
21:3221 minutes, 32 secondsUh so you have an amended agenda in front of you. I need a motion to approve. Second Ash.
21:4221 minutes, 42 secondsAll in favor say I. I. I. Okay. We have an agenda. All right. So, uh the next
21:5021 minutes, 50 secondsitem is old business, which is discussion of the land use transportation plan. We have uh uh Gish
21:5721 minutes, 57 secondsSmith here tonight uh to go through the rough draft, first second draft, whatever this is, this version of it.
22:0722 minutes, 7 secondsAnd so, uh, they got some boards they're going to talk through. U, I know there
22:1322 minutes, 13 secondsis, uh, been a lot of discussion and, um, I'm glad for that. And I'd like to
22:2022 minutes, 20 secondssee a lot of people involved in u setting the vision and the plan for the
22:2722 minutes, 27 secondscounty going forward. I'm sure they're going to talk about this, but the state requires counties to do this every 20 years and then update it along the way.
22:3522 minutes, 35 secondsUh, and that's what kind of started all this. Um, uh, there has been a little bit of confusion. I'll speak to this. I'm sure they will speak to it as well.
22:4322 minutes, 43 secondsUh, the land use plan, which I don't have a copy, but it's that one right there. U, it sets the that's the appendix. That's it's that right there,
22:5122 minutes, 51 secondsbut it's fine. Um, uh, what what the land use plan, the design of it is to kind of set the vision for the county
22:5922 minutes, 59 secondsgoing forward. uh take kind of take stock about where we are infrastructure-wise uh and where we want to see things go.
23:0723 minutes, 7 secondsIt it is not a policy document. It is not the law. Uh it just sets the vision.
23:1423 minutes, 14 secondsThis book that I have, mine's in this green folder and it's the zoning resolution of Hickman County. This is the law. This is what sets governs what
23:2323 minutes, 23 secondsthis planning commission does. It governs all zoning changes. It it governs um our It has our subdivision
23:3123 minutes, 31 secondsregulations in it. It has setbacks uh for R1. Uh all those things are in this
23:3723 minutes, 37 secondsbook and this book is the law. And so uh we're we're not discussing this book tonight. Uh the
23:4623 minutes, 46 secondsthe thought is we establish a future land use plan and that discussion leads
23:5323 minutes, 53 secondsinto whether or not we need to change this book. So there's not going to be a vote on the ordinances the the law of the zoning regulation tonight or anytime in the near future.
24:0624 minutes, 6 secondsWell, there is a change of u that has to do with the BCA. But as far as any type of agriculture zoning change,
24:1424 minutes, 14 secondsresidential zoning change that comes out of this book here. Okay? because that
24:2124 minutes, 21 secondsthe future land use plan is not the governing document. What it is is it sets the sets the vision for where we
24:2924 minutes, 29 secondswant to go to as a county. And I've had I've had a few phone calls and different things and I just wanted to kind of clear that up. But I guess Drew are you this is Drew Gaskins Gresian Smith.
24:4024 minutes, 40 secondsWe'll go through and do you want commission to kind of ask questions along the way or Yeah. we can have a discussion and then I can't wait to hear
24:4924 minutes, 49 secondswhat folks have to say once we conclude that. Perfect. All right. Um well, forgive me everyone. My visual aids might be a little bit difficult to see,
24:5624 minutes, 56 secondsbut while I'm getting those set up, uh like Claude said, my name is Drew Gaskins with Gresham Smith. Um we're an architecture and engineering services
25:0425 minutes, 4 secondsfirm headquartered in Nashville. Uh and I'm joined by Mary Connelly and Preston.
25:1025 minutes, 10 secondsUm also from our Nashville office. We were approached by the planning commission uh early last year to assist them in the development of a future land
25:1825 minutes, 18 secondsuse plan and and worked up a contract with them to do that. Uh and that's when we started the process of uh of getting
25:2525 minutes, 25 secondsthis updated. As Claude said, the county does have a previously adopted growth plan that was back from the I don't even know what you call this decade, the
25:3225 minutes, 32 seconds2000s. Um but it's getting a little stale. Um and it as he uh as he noted the growth plans really have useful
25:4125 minutes, 41 secondslifespans of about 20 years. So it's around the time to start uh revisiting that. And ultimately if the planning commission and county commission decide
25:4925 minutes, 49 secondsto adopt this document uh that would replace that growth plan as Claude said the vision document that would be you
25:5625 minutes, 56 secondsknow used in uh resoning decisions and the like. Uh, but real quick, I and I do want to just kind of go through the uh
26:0626 minutes, 6 secondssome of the high points and if it's okay with y'all, I'm gonna uh have this facing them.
26:1226 minutes, 12 secondsSo, I do want to go through just I hope everybody's had a chance to read the document. Um, and I hope that if you have questions about it, you express this tonight. But, um, just to go
26:2126 minutes, 21 secondsthrough what what we started with early on were discussions with the planning commission. And we also had an initial round of public workshops that I hope
26:2926 minutes, 29 secondssome of you were able to attend. During that time, we got some ideas uh really very high level discussions. So we weren't really talking about land use at
26:3626 minutes, 36 secondsthat point. It was more trying to get a better understanding of what preferences were in the county. Uh and we used those discussions to come up with a set of
26:4526 minutes, 45 secondsguiding principles and goals for uh the future land use plan. And I know you probably can't read all this, but the guiding principles are protection of
26:5226 minutes, 52 secondsnatural resources, maintain sense of community character, viable agriculture, expansion of infrastructure, rural preservation, increased housing options,
27:0127 minutes, 1 secondand economic development. Those were translated into goals. One is to preserve the uh natural assets here in
27:0827 minutes, 8 secondsHipman County. Maintain agriculture as the dominant land use. Uh develop some more housing options uh that that uh
27:1527 minutes, 15 secondsresidents can avail themselves to. Uh expand utilities as needed to accommodate that. Maintain a rural sense of place. Accommodate growth through a
27:2227 minutes, 22 secondsconservation approach. Uh increase tourism, highpaying jobs and sales tax revenue. Uh and expand community uh
27:2927 minutes, 29 secondsconveniences like grocery uh hardware store availability and the like. Um, what you may notice from some of these goals and guiding principles is in some
27:3727 minutes, 37 secondssense some of them are pulling against each other a little bit. Uh, and I'll I'll talk more about kind of how we talked about that in the second round here in just a second. But, you know, we
27:4627 minutes, 46 secondstake all of these uh into account through the plan development process, but we did find that the community expressed a preference that some be higher priority than others.
27:5927 minutes, 59 secondsAnd so to that end in the second round of public engagement uh where we did actually start talking land use and did
28:0628 minutes, 6 secondshave some scenarios for folks to look at uh we started asking about these priorities. So we had three different
28:1428 minutes, 14 secondsscenarios. Uh one was a trend scenario which was essentially an extrapolation of current trends. We had a compact one that was more compact and preservation
28:2228 minutes, 22 secondsfocused. Then we had a growth scenario where the growth kind of expanded outside of the trend a little bit more.
28:2728 minutes, 27 secondsUm what we found in talking to folks was that a majority of people uh uh indicated that the compact scenario was preferred. We had about 80% said they
28:3628 minutes, 36 secondsliked it as opposed to about 60 or uh we had about yeah 80% that said they liked
28:4328 minutes, 43 secondsit and 60% that said they uh like the other one. So it was the most preferred scenario. It's not a it's not a, you know, paint by numbers or pick this
28:5228 minutes, 52 secondsexercise. It's really trying to tease out trade-offs. The way that the priorities were ranked reinforced this.
28:5928 minutes, 59 secondsSo I said that some of those are pulling on each other. Protection of natural resources, rural preservation, viable agriculture, maintain sense of community character rank a little bit higher.
29:0929 minutes, 9 secondseconomic development, expansion of infrastructure, expansion of community services, and increased housing options rank a little bit lower in terms of what
29:1629 minutes, 16 secondsshould be the top priority. And here on the board, we've just got some of the comments. This just reinforces some of the conversations that we had with
29:2329 minutes, 23 secondsindividuals. That reinforced again the people that we spoke with uh generally moving towards a more conservation focused preference. Um we also had an
29:3129 minutes, 31 secondsonline tool uh and we had about 435 responses on the tool. So that was the feedback that we got.
29:3929 minutes, 39 secondsuh when we presented the scenarios. So coming out of round two um we had the scenarios and I mentioned it's not you
29:4629 minutes, 46 secondsknow pick a b or c but we tried to take the components of each that people indicated that they preferred and did
29:5429 minutes, 54 secondsour best at coming up with an initial draft of the preferred land use plan. So this this preferred land use plan again
30:0230 minutes, 2 secondsit is draft at this point as Claude said u but this depicts a hitman county that is a rural an agricultural community
30:0930 minutes, 9 secondsgoing forward uh most of the growth uh is envisioned to be where there are utilities. So when you going from
30:1730 minutes, 17 secondscenterville up into the northeast part of the county uh that's where very limited sewer is available currently that's where a lot of the portable water is available currently. um outside of
30:2630 minutes, 26 secondsthat any development at scale so any development other than just a house here or there uh becomes I don't want to say difficult but not necessarily feasible
30:3430 minutes, 34 secondsfrom a uh from a real estate development perspective. So again, we've got here in the, you know, sort of outer ring,
30:4130 minutes, 41 secondsfurthest away from the metro area, the agricultural preservation place type as currently proposed. Uh that is one unit
30:4930 minutes, 49 secondsper 5 acre. That uh that goes kind of transsects into our rural places. That's where that density gets down to one unit
30:5730 minutes, 57 secondsper acre. And then as you get into residential growth in some of these areas along the corridor, you have uh uh
31:0431 minutes, 4 secondspreferred densities of in terms of terms of residential an acre or maybe a half acre. Uh we also have uh community
31:1131 minutes, 11 secondscommercial, so commercial development located along uh the major commercial corridors that exist now reinforcing that. We've got a couple of uh
31:2031 minutes, 20 secondsindustrial uh uh industrial growth areas identified, a few conservation areas based on really existing land use. Um
31:2831 minutes, 28 secondsand then throughout uh the rural part of the county, we also have these rural crossroads place types. And so this is where you could have a little bit uh
31:3631 minutes, 36 secondsmaybe a little bit higher density residential development at a very small scale as well as you know a crossroads grocery store, a gas station or
31:4331 minutes, 43 secondssomething like that. Um so again currently uh we've got you know really going from southwest to northeast this
31:5131 minutes, 51 secondstranssect of much much much lower densities going up to higher relatively higher densities but still not not
31:5831 minutes, 58 secondsterribly high. So um a couple of other thoughts about this is that this is not you know looking out 20 years well this is what Hitman County is going to look
32:0532 minutes, 5 secondslike in 20 years. It it might, but a lot of it is going to be based on market uh on market forces uh and on any any type
32:1332 minutes, 13 secondsof growth pressure coming out of Nashville. None of us have a crystal ball. So, what we're trying to do is just make sure that as development comes in, the planning commission has tools
32:2232 minutes, 22 secondsavailable uh to uh make those decisions, make those resoning decisions, and improve uh those types of developments.
32:3232 minutes, 32 secondsUh finally, this is kind of the last what I'll close with here and forgive me sifting around
32:3932 minutes, 39 secondson my boards. Uh the land use map is not the land use plan. It is a component of the land use plan. So uh again, if
32:4832 minutes, 48 secondsyou've had a chance to read it, I mentioned the guiding principles and goals that's in there. We have our draft place types. So again, you know, those
32:5532 minutes, 55 secondsaren't zoning uh districts. Those are just examples of uh examples of places, examples of development types, but
33:0333 minutes, 3 secondsultimately those uh downstream would guide the decision-m process. We have the future land use plan itself that we
33:1033 minutes, 10 secondsjust talked about. And then in terms of uh uh in terms of supporting implementation focused items, we do have some policy recommendations and
33:1933 minutes, 19 secondsimplementation guidance. And in a couple of places, we just have some notes for things that the uh that the planning commission and the county in general with other partners uh might consider.
33:3033 minutes, 30 secondsIf you've read through the plan, you probably saw that we had a zoning crosswalk and some model it's not really model language, more recommendations
33:3833 minutes, 38 secondsuh for zoning changes that might be appropriate in the future. Uh like Claude said, those are just suggestions by us. Um if we do have any uh uh edits
33:4733 minutes, 47 secondsto the place types or the land use plan, those subsequent recommendations would change as well. Uh but you know, nothing would change based on what we put in
33:5433 minutes, 54 secondsthere uh if and when the the county commission decides to adopt the plan. Um in terms of next steps, uh again, uh
34:0234 minutes, 2 secondswe're looking forward to qu uh comments and questions that you all may have.
34:0634 minutes, 6 secondsReally looking forward to hear the public comment. Uh get an understanding what you all think about this. Uh and then we will be working closely with the planning commission probably over the
34:1534 minutes, 15 secondsnext month or so to conduct a round of edits. As Claude said, I think it is technically the second draft. We've had some extremely minor comments uh just
34:2334 minutes, 23 secondsinternal that have come in so far, but no major uh update based on comments. So that's why we're here tonight. That's why our team is here to listen. Uh and
34:3334 minutes, 33 secondswe look forward to uh we look forward to hear what you have to say and any any questions that you all may have.
34:4134 minutes, 41 secondsAll right, planning commission and and I understand that this is uh
34:5034 minutes, 50 secondsyou know you got probably need time to digest all the things but I I'm sure after getting at least the first draft
34:5634 minutes, 56 secondsthere's got to be some things that brought up and discussed before we get to the public comment period. So Mr.
35:0435 minutes, 4 secondsmatch. Drew, how does the uh how does the the the plan growth area
35:1335 minutes, 13 secondsget defined and how is it integrated into the uh land use plan? So that was one of the comments that we had that we
35:2135 minutes, 21 secondsneed to pick up in the land use plan. Uh basically the the way that we are conceptualizing it is essentially when
35:2835 minutes, 28 secondsyou get into that rural growth area uh kind of along Highway 100 that goes up towards uh Bon Aqua, that's where we would essentially say that's where the
35:3635 minutes, 36 secondsplan growth area is. We do need to put a polygon around that and call that out in the plan and add a little bit of text just explaining that. But essentially
35:4435 minutes, 44 secondsthe the rectangular polygon that you had up there before would now expand to encompass that area where you could
35:5135 minutes, 51 secondsstart having development in scale at those densities of about 1 acre or less.
35:5635 minutes, 56 secondsSo when would you anticipate that portion of that being incorporated into the plan next when we next round of next round of edits?
36:1536 minutes, 15 secondsUh I add one thing the the recommendations as far as the like the acre size and all that. Yes.
36:2536 minutes, 25 secondsWhat talk about how you came up with those. Sure. So, uh, the agricultural preservation one acre or one unit per
36:3236 minutes, 32 secondsfive acres is a is a somewhat common one that's used, uh, when when agricultural preservation of land is a high priority.
36:4236 minutes, 42 secondsA great, you don't have to look far for an example of that just next door in Williamson County. Uh, that is, uh, the preference that they expressed outside
36:4936 minutes, 49 secondsof their growth areas. Uh, you know, the the UGBS and some of the town hamlets that they had. Obviously, Williamson County is very different than Hickman
36:5736 minutes, 57 secondsCounty in that it's not really a pure rural county. Uh, it has a lot of suburban development. Um, and there's a lot more housing pressure there
37:0537 minutes, 5 secondscurrently than there is here. Um, but we went with that initial recommendation again just based on some of the conversations that we had and based on
37:1337 minutes, 13 secondsthe prevailing preference for uh agricultural preservation in areas as you get further away from those uh
37:2037 minutes, 20 secondsgrowth areas. Uh and again that's what we've got uh in here currently is a little scaled back from uh that compact
37:2837 minutes, 28 secondsscenario that we mentioned that you know at least the people that uh came to the meeting and the 400 plus people that
37:3537 minutes, 35 secondsengaged with us online uh preferred the other densities claude you know the the transit densities as you go into rural places and some of those uh some of
37:4437 minutes, 44 secondsthose in town development types those are just common transit values. Um the the one that there probably is a little
37:5137 minutes, 51 secondsbit of potential variation to is the one unit for five acres.
37:5937 minutes, 59 secondsSo uh on your the the agriculture the A1 uh which is is going to be the the farm the agriculture the the timber a lot of
38:0738 minutes, 7 secondsit is roughly somewhere around 88% of the county. So that's what you're saying is is pretty much 88% of the county we're
38:1538 minutes, 15 secondsgoing to put down that five acre per house per per dwelling is what we're trying to do a as currently proposed.
38:2338 minutes, 23 secondsYeah. Yes. I I think that's one of the biggest issues that that we're running into that with this that um I I'm pretty
38:3238 minutes, 32 secondssure that's probably why a lot of people are here tonight because of that.
38:3638 minutes, 36 secondsUm, I mean, speaking on my on my end, and I don't know, I may be speaking out of term by saying it. I just wonder if we can drop that down. That may be
38:4538 minutes, 45 secondssomething that, you know, drop that five acres down some u to a different lower acreage or so
38:5338 minutes, 53 secondsquick reaction to that and then just functionally what we would do there. So, the prevailing density in like an F or a
39:0039 minutesagricultural type thing is anywhere from 2 to 12 units per acre. So it's a pretty wide and that's that's not in terms of the the permitted density just what you generally see in rural places like that.
39:1039 minutes, 10 secondsUm so you know I you could certainly come down from 5 acres and still be well within what would what everybody would
39:1939 minutes, 19 secondsconsider to be an F forestry agricultural residential density. um in terms of moving that uh moving that
39:2839 minutes, 28 secondsvalue, we are happy to have conversations with you all about it and ultimately we're working for you. Um so
39:3439 minutes, 34 secondsif if that is, you know, if that's an area where maybe we were drafting recommendations, we missed the mark, we're we're that's why we're here
39:4239 minutes, 42 secondstonight is that we're we're open to considerations.
39:4639 minutes, 46 secondsI just that's something that I think that that the the public here and maybe even myself uh some more explanation on that because I think it's kind of
39:5539 minutes, 55 secondsgetting misinterpretated that that this is what's fixing to happen and this you know what I'm saying? So uh that is just
40:0240 minutes, 2 secondsthe one thing that that is the big big comment I think that people are going to want to talk about tonight. Sure. And and on the
40:1140 minutes, 11 secondsother side of that, you know, I just just to just to yes and your point, you know, I mentioned that development at
40:1840 minutes, 18 secondsscale is like is likely only going to happen where you have the utility coverage. So where you have the portable water, you have the sewer. As you get
40:2540 minutes, 25 secondsaway from that and into say the southwest county development is probably going to be onesie, twoosy, oneoff, you know, family builds a house here. So, if
40:3440 minutes, 34 secondswe were to modify that density and make it a little bit lower or or make the the acreage cap a little bit lower, I don't
40:4140 minutes, 41 secondsthink it would have a a a long-term adverse impact to that overall goal of agricultural preservation.
40:5140 minutes, 51 secondsYeah. I mean, your infrastructure is going to determine a whole lot because I mean, if you if you don't have it, you don't have it. And and people that's buying the property need to know that
41:0041 minutesbefore they buy it. So,
41:0841 minutes, 8 secondsSo um Drew on the maps that I have seen there have been uh you know this the city limits of center have been defined
41:1641 minutes, 16 secondsas well as the the urban growth boundary correct in relationship to the city. um
41:2541 minutes, 25 secondsthose that you have depicted in the plan and and all the data that you have is
41:3141 minutes, 31 secondsthat uh based on a previous document or is that any of that updated some updated
41:3941 minutes, 39 secondsinformation that has been more recently acquired from the city of center? So this so we've got the urban growth
41:4741 minutes, 47 secondsboundary up here. This is uh this was drafted as part of our factf finding process and development process. Um you
41:5541 minutes, 55 secondsknow there there does need to be obviously uh some coordination with the city uh in terms of a is this is this
42:0542 minutes, 5 secondsyou know close to what uh the city of center would would would look at down the line. Um, another option is, you know, if if they're not com if the
42:1342 minutes, 13 secondscity's not comfortable with that, we could also just remove those recommendations from uh from from So So those particular ones are ones that you
42:2142 minutes, 21 secondsguys backed out of based on your analysis of the area. It's not something that they have defined and or approved from the city. That's correct. That's
42:2942 minutes, 29 secondscorrect. So the the only thing that was defined previously was that that growth area.
42:3642 minutes, 36 secondsSo, so that so that that that urban growth boundary which I've learned there is a different word that's that that is
42:4442 minutes, 44 secondswhat you would recommend to centerville but it has not been something that has come up from them yet. Correct.
42:5342 minutes, 53 secondsAnd I guess to follow up on that is if they had a provided and when they do provide something it's just going to get
43:0143 minutes, 1 secondstuck on that overlay and that's just the way it is. That's where it is. Correct. Yeah. Okay.
43:1743 minutes, 17 secondsother discussion from the planning commission.
43:2343 minutes, 23 secondsBut I I appreciate I mean it's y'all done good job and I know it's not finished yet and I appreciate you making
43:3143 minutes, 31 secondsthe trip and all that. been really good to work with so far. So next month,
43:4343 minutes, 43 secondsit's it's now's the time, guys. Y'all got them in front of you. And so
43:5043 minutes, 50 secondsanything else you want to ask or go through?
43:5643 minutes, 56 secondsand it's and I and I and I appreciate uh compiling the data and all that and and and I appreciate giving the suggestion.
44:0344 minutes, 3 secondsI know that's what call has caused a lot of the stir in our community and and I mean and it's we we'll we'll decide
44:1144 minutes, 11 secondsafter we get past this hurdle on what we want to do with those and we may not do anything. So but uh but it's I appreciate that last call.
44:2644 minutes, 26 secondsAll right. Uh, and I and I'll do this after hearing that. Um, tell you what,
44:3344 minutes, 33 secondswe'll take about a 7 minute break to 7:10. If there's anybody else that wants to sign
44:4044 minutes, 40 secondsup now, I want to give y'all that opportunity. Uh, do that in the next Well, we'll start back at 10 after 7 and then we'll go through the public comment
44:4944 minutes, 49 secondsperiod. So, we'll take quick little recess breaks.
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54:2554 minutes, 25 secondswe're getting ready to begin the public comment period and and I know there's several people here and there'll be some out the hall
54:3354 minutes, 33 secondsand just make sure that stays quiet enough for everybody to hear. Um, and it's we there's 16 names
54:4254 minutes, 42 secondsuh that signed up and and if it's a question or something that gets answered by pre somebody previous and you don't want to speak anymore, it's fine. Just
54:5054 minutes, 50 secondslet me know when I call your name. U probably going to do four to five minutes. Uh I'll kind of give you a heads up when you got about 30 seconds
54:5954 minutes, 59 secondsleft. You don't have to speak the full time. Uh but we we are um and and I ask
55:0655 minutes, 6 secondseverybody be respectful and and when when somebody's talking and uh be respectful to others. Let me get my
55:1455 minutes, 14 secondstimer here. And so uh the and when you come the way this way we have to do
55:2155 minutes, 21 secondspublic comment is when you come up you just stand right there um at the banister and then uh just speak to me
55:2955 minutes, 29 secondsand the planning commission. That's who's here to hear the public comments and so make sure you speak up so everybody can hear. First uh name on the list is Patrick Miller.
55:4855 minutes, 48 secondsThank you. Thank you guys for I know that most of the pen commission volunteers so I appreciate you guys working on this. Although I I gotta say
55:5755 minutes, 57 secondsI find it kind of a little disturbing how much uh growth is showing on that map. And I know you might say it's not a
56:0556 minutes, 5 secondslot, but when I look at that map, anything that's light green, light yellow, dark yellow is something that I see is higher density than where I want
56:1456 minutes, 14 secondsto live. Um, Hecman County is a rural county and this is a road map of where we want to go and this road map says we
56:2356 minutes, 23 secondswant urban sprawl and I don't want to live in a spot where there's urban sprawl. Most of the roads that we have don't meet the state standards. The road that I live on, it's not wide enough for
56:3256 minutes, 32 secondstwo cars. You literally have to when you pass somebody, you have to drive off the shoulder um of the road. And we're talking about having growth. A lot of
56:4056 minutes, 40 secondsthis is residential growth. Well, we don't have the infrastructure to do that. Not only don't we have the infrastructure in terms of roads, I don't think we really have the
56:4756 minutes, 47 secondsinfrastructure in terms of um water and uh uh just the ability to to plan for
56:5556 minutes, 55 secondsthat. Um staying with the roads, right now we don't have like on Highway 100 is the uh main thoroughfare from Centerville up to the county and that there's no turn lane on that road.
57:0557 minutes, 5 secondsThere's no uh right turn lane. So there's no center turn lane, there's no right turn lane. So at times the day it's almost impossible to pull out onto
57:1257 minutes, 12 secondsthat road. you have to sit there for several minutes to actually try to get out onto it. And we're inviting more growth with a large section of
57:2057 minutes, 20 secondsresidential growth, which is what that's for. Now, I understand that that's not zoning or anything, but that's the roadmap that we're saying that we want to actually follow. Um, I sent to the
57:2957 minutes, 29 secondscounty commissioners a letter on Sunday, um, kind of going over some of the points that, uh, uh, I had issue with
57:3757 minutes, 37 secondsthis map. Um, and I I what I'd like to see on this is a lot less growth. Um,
57:4657 minutes, 46 secondswe've only had 30 uh or 3% growth over the last decade. And yet this map shows, hey, we want to have a lot more growth.
57:5457 minutes, 54 secondsUh, and I don't think Hickman County is really uh the spot to have that growth, especially the urban sprawl that we've seen down in places like Spring Hill
58:0258 minutes, 2 secondsthat they've had over in Mount Juliet or down in Murphy'sboro. um where it's just you don't want to drive on those in those areas because you you just can't
58:1058 minutes, 10 secondsget anywhere very fast. Um and once we go back or once we once we allow lots to be divided, once you go to a third acre
58:1858 minutes, 18 secondsof a lot or a half acre of a lot or 1acre lot, you're never going to get more land. You're never going to make that lot bigger. So, I think this map
58:2558 minutes, 25 secondsneeds to uh be more preservative and have more 5 acre um lot restrictions. So all the light green there, most of that
58:3458 minutes, 34 secondslight yellow should actually be um agricultural pres preservation allowing for 5 acre lots. Um because once you
58:4258 minutes, 42 secondsdivide it down into 1acre or halfacre lots, you're never going to get that land back. You can never go back and undevelop that land. It never happens.
58:4958 minutes, 49 secondsIt's never happened anywhere. So I don't want to see Hickman County um have this much urban sprawl, which is what we're
58:5658 minutes, 56 secondslooking at on this map. So that's um like I said, I sent to the uh commissioners and and if you guys want to share with these guys what I sent
59:0459 minutes, 4 secondsyou, send them that letter. Um that'd be that'd be absolutely fine. But uh I'm kind of I'm kind of very upset with how
59:1159 minutes, 11 secondsmuch urban sprawl is is planned on a map. Um the other question I want to ask you is that green folder that you have.
59:1859 minutes, 18 secondsYeah. Is that on the website? We're supposed to not give it back and forth, but um yes, it's it's on the it's on the
59:2459 minutes, 24 secondswebsite. It is. Okay. and and it it updates. I mean, there's there's minor changes that are made to it as as we see it. And yes, but it's on the county
59:3359 minutes, 33 secondswebsite and and the and I'll say this, uh we'll get the latest draft of the
59:4159 minutes, 41 secondsfuture land use plan on the website as well. Uh and and as we make edits to that, we'll put the new one on there.
59:4759 minutes, 47 secondsOkay. I mean, because I'm sure there's more edits to come. So, that's good. So, I I just once again, as somebody who lives and I live in the the spot that's
59:5559 minutes, 55 secondsprobably had some of the well, technically not the greatest growth, but in the area that has the most growth, I I it's really sad for me to see some
1:00:041 hour, 4 secondsplace that I moved in a decade ago start to have that sprawl. And uh this is just a map to me that says that we're going
1:00:111 hour, 11 secondsto have a lot more sprawl and a lot more smaller lots and a lot higher density property. And I I just I'm not looking at that forward to that. So, Thank you.
1:00:231 hour, 23 secondsNext is Brian Montgomery.
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1:00:341 hour, 34 secondsGood evening everybody. My name is Brian McGomery. I live in the Brushy area of Hickman County. Um I kind of like where this is going. I agree with the
1:00:421 hour, 42 secondsgentleman that spoke before me. Um I think it makes a lot of sense. one of the previous drafts where it was kind of like a blanket five acre thing I didn't
1:00:501 hour, 50 secondsthink was fair to the people in East Hickman that seemed to want to develop and have a lot more infrastructure and stuff like that. But on the west side of
1:00:581 hour, 58 secondsHickman where I live where it's all predominantly agriculture, we're kind of the opposite. We want to leave things the way they are. You know, raise cattle
1:01:061 hour, 1 minute, 6 secondsand animals and stuff like that. So, I think dividing it based on what the people want makes the most sense. And
1:01:131 hour, 1 minute, 13 secondshow often do we really get that? So, you know, like he said, the yellow is pretty sprawling and with the
1:01:211 hour, 1 minute, 21 secondsinfrastructure that we have, the roads and the power and the water and lack of sewage, um, you know, it can be
1:01:271 hour, 1 minute, 27 secondsproblematic. I work in Franklin and, you know, they put the cart before the horse, there's so much traffic because they build build and don't think about,
1:01:361 hour, 1 minute, 36 secondsyou know, this is a two-lane road that you're trying to support thousands of people. It just doesn't make sense. Um, if we're going to grow as a county, we
1:01:441 hour, 1 minute, 44 secondsneed to use common sense and build the infrastructure for what we want in the areas that make sense where we have sewer already. Um, because you have to
1:01:531 hour, 1 minute, 53 secondsthink about how we're going to fund all this. You know, the builders aren't going to build the roads. They're not going to build the infrastructure.
1:01:581 hour, 1 minute, 58 secondsThat's going to come from the county and that's coming from our taxes. Um, and raising property tax isn't the answer to that either. We need to take a closer
1:02:061 hour, 2 minutes, 6 secondslook just like the federal government, our spending and how our money is spent and do it smart. Um, use a lot of common
1:02:131 hour, 2 minutes, 13 secondssense. Um, that's where the money can come for this growth. But it requires more planning and thought, um, especially on the infrastructure. But I
1:02:221 hour, 2 minutes, 22 secondsdo support the separation of, you know, agriculture with the five acres and then the more dense areas if that's what people want to do. You know, I think
1:02:311 hour, 2 minutes, 31 secondsthere should also be some inclusions for people that already own the land um and they're not trying to build houses to sell, but you know, if they have children that they want to live with
1:02:391 hour, 2 minutes, 39 secondsthem, should be something thought to that as well. Um for people that have acorage, but not quite enough to split
1:02:461 hour, 2 minutes, 46 secondsfive acres off for each kid. So, that's my opinion.
1:02:521 hour, 2 minutes, 52 secondsJerry Adams, appreciate the opportunity. Um, first of
1:03:001 hour, 3 minutesall, uh, question for Mr. Drew. Um, the land use plan, was it based off of this priority rankings?
1:03:091 hour, 3 minutes, 9 secondsThe priorities, right? The priority rankings from the second round of Yes.
1:03:131 hour, 3 minutes, 13 secondsthat that heavily informed a lot of approach. Yeah. Could you put the bar chart back up there for me? Sure.
1:03:301 hour, 3 minutes, 30 secondsThese are not exact numbers, but approximately 27,000 people live in this county. He said that 435 people answered this survey.
1:03:401 hour, 3 minutes, 40 secondsPeople over the age of 18 in the county.
1:03:421 hour, 3 minutes, 42 secondsI'm going to say what, 18,000. So, we used a s used a sample pool about this big
1:03:491 hour, 3 minutes, 49 secondsto make this use plan. a sample pool this big. When I went on the website to find this, I had to dig and dig and dig
1:03:571 hour, 3 minutes, 57 secondsto find this survey. How many of y'all in this room took this survey?
1:04:031 hour, 4 minutes, 3 secondsWhat? Maybe 10% or less.
1:04:081 hour, 4 minutes, 8 secondsSo, there's the first problem. The second problem is we got responsibilities of government
1:04:161 hour, 4 minutes, 16 secondsthat we got to take care of the essentials first. The essentials first.
1:04:211 hour, 4 minutes, 21 secondsSo, Mr. Miller, yes. Not to get personal, do you have
1:04:281 hour, 4 minutes, 28 secondskids or grandkids? Hey, we got we got to keep We really don't need a lot of back and forth, but No, I just I just ask question if if Okay, I mean it
1:04:381 hour, 4 minutes, 38 secondsoutside. We got to take care of the essentials, right? We got to take care of He mentioned roads. That's what I was going to ask him about. The roads should
1:04:461 hour, 4 minutes, 46 secondsbe a major priority. If you want to get the funding to take care of the roads and increase the infrastructure,
1:04:531 hour, 4 minutes, 53 secondswe got to have growth. If you if you put a thousand new houses out there, you're not going to get that much money in tax dollars.
1:05:031 hour, 5 minutes, 3 secondsSo, if we want to fix the sewer, the infrastructure, which is the county commission's responsibility,
1:05:101 hour, 5 minutes, 10 secondsand the county government, we've got to get businesses that have fund that. I'm not saying go crazy, but businesses
1:05:181 hour, 5 minutes, 18 secondsbring it in. Does anybody know what the new electrical motorplace, those tax dollars will probably be the equivalent to 5,000 houses?
1:05:291 hour, 5 minutes, 29 secondsI might be wrong, but businesses is what bring in the tax dollars that we would
1:05:351 hour, 5 minutes, 35 secondshave that. So, you said you've signed a contract to make this plan. I'm asking for all the
1:05:431 hour, 5 minutes, 43 secondstaxpayers. What did that cost? I'll defer to Claude to if you to share that.
1:05:501 hour, 5 minutes, 50 secondsUh I do not have that number in front of me. Um it's in the budget book. Um, I can I can
1:05:581 hour, 5 minutes, 58 secondsget you that number, okay? Because it was we started this a year and a half ago.
1:06:061 hour, 6 minutes, 6 secondsAnother thing, I don't remember the exact year.
1:06:101 hour, 6 minutes, 10 secondsI could have gone either way. We got rid of single wide trailers because they didn't increase this tax base. Well, now we're proposing something that's going
1:06:191 hour, 6 minutes, 19 secondsto decrease the tax base because if you don't have more
1:06:251 hour, 6 minutes, 25 secondsbuilding and population, then your tax base with inflation is going to pass you
1:06:321 hour, 6 minutes, 32 secondsby. If your tax base stays the same and you don't have any growth, you're going to have no money to take care of anything.
1:06:431 hour, 6 minutes, 43 secondsCan you put up, please? Sure.
1:06:501 hour, 6 minutes, 50 seconds30 more seconds. Okay. So, let me real quick. So, I was going to have another point, but okay. The median house price in Hickman County brand new is listed for 399,000. It sold for 271 to 325.
1:07:041 hour, 7 minutes, 4 secondsThe median household income household, not individual, is 57,000.
1:07:091 hour, 7 minutes, 9 secondsIn order to buy a new home in Hickman County, you'd have to make between 75 and 95,000. And that's a $30,000 gap for
1:07:171 hour, 7 minutes, 17 secondsany new young person. Right here on this, it says increased housing options, creating more places to live so young families can thrive in Hickman County.
1:07:291 hour, 7 minutes, 29 secondsAnd all the on these billboards, they left out the young part.
1:07:341 hour, 7 minutes, 34 secondsMy time's up, I guess. Thank you. All right. Uh, Ronnie George.
1:07:501 hour, 7 minutes, 50 secondsThank you for the opportunity to speak this evening. I want to speak as a citizen of Hippen County. I've been here all my life. I've been here since I was born in 1966.
1:08:001 hour, 8 minutesSeen some people who's moving in here want to change it.
1:08:041 hour, 8 minutes, 4 secondsI mean, one acre of land per house is nice enough. You go to uh big light estates, you go to crossroads, they're
1:08:131 hour, 8 minutes, 13 secondsall on one acre, they're nice. I don't understand the thing about five acres.
1:08:181 hour, 8 minutes, 18 secondsI'm going to work on hard road in some counties tomorrow. And the people hate it. They snuck that thing in. Most people don't buy the paper there.
1:08:261 hour, 8 minutes, 26 secondsThey're just neighbors and so forth. But they snuck that thing in the five acres.
1:08:301 hour, 8 minutes, 30 secondsMight have been these people. I don't know. But I can tell you right now, when when you need something, you go to
1:08:381 hour, 8 minutes, 38 secondsyour parents or your grandparents and your grandparents bought the property at $25 an acre. And this is what Mr. Bishop
1:08:451 hour, 8 minutes, 45 secondssaid down Moss Branch Road. He said, "Ry, I don't like this new zoning y'all done. I was in on the very first part of it. My dad hated me and he hated it. Mr.
1:08:551 hour, 8 minutes, 55 secondsBishop hated it." He said, "I only want to give him a half acre." I said, "Well, Mr. Bishop, you got to give him an acre." He said, 'But you know how these new young folks are, they might not stay married. They're not like me and mama.
1:09:061 hour, 9 minutes, 6 secondsAnd so I said, ' Mr. Bishop, you're going to have to give them acre. He said, 'Well, I have to give them other side of the creek. And I said, well, that's how it goes. So if you've got
1:09:141 hour, 9 minutes, 14 secondsthree acres and you got two kids, you can't give them if they do the five acres, you can't give them a kid acre.
1:09:201 hour, 9 minutes, 20 secondsYou had two kids, give them two acres, you're off and running. My brother, my cousin, they both done it. My
1:09:271 hour, 9 minutes, 27 secondsgrandfather give them an acre and that's how they got their start. Well, they wanted to move on. They sold it. But you know what? They bought a bigger place
1:09:351 hour, 9 minutes, 35 secondsand had a couple more kids. My brother sold his place and put his two kids through college. So starter places is how it works. I grew up here. I want it.
1:09:461 hour, 9 minutes, 46 secondsAll the people coming in here from Davidson County. I got a good friend.
1:09:501 hour, 9 minutes, 50 secondsThey make above average means. He can buy 20 acres, 100 acres, 150 acres.
1:09:561 hour, 9 minutes, 56 secondsAin't no way I can do it. I make pretty good money. I got blood from working.
1:10:001 hour, 10 minutesI'm going to do that again tomorrow. But the thing about it is you got to think about what Jerry just said is the
1:10:071 hour, 10 minutes, 7 secondsyoungsters. You got to have a starter. I mean, you can't go. You got to put 20% down. How long does it take 20% down on $400,000?
1:10:161 hour, 10 minutes, 16 secondsI mean, man, I was a machinist and bought a farm off mystery ridge. If it went for my grandfather and my dad, there ain't no way I could have done it.
1:10:251 hour, 10 minutes, 25 secondsNo way. So, you're going to put these youngsters out of business. I mean, you got to have affordable living and be
1:10:321 hour, 10 minutes, 32 secondsjust have common sense. Five acres is not going to work. I mean, I don't care if you're local down at Spot and Etna. I
1:10:411 hour, 10 minutes, 41 secondsdon't care. It's I mean, you got I mean, back then, everybody had some, Granddaddy had some, daddy got some. If
1:10:491 hour, 10 minutes, 49 secondsyou can give them an acre, you give them a stalk. I mean you I mean I'm just saying I don't want to preach but it's
1:10:561 hour, 10 minutes, 56 secondsjust crazy this five acre thing. Like I said I'm going to work tomorrow in W County on Harbor Road which is all Pinewood Road which is next to Leaf's
1:11:051 hour, 11 minutes, 5 secondsFort and those people were furious. I mean they're grandfathered in. They can they can keep their property but they can't cut none off.
1:11:141 hour, 11 minutes, 14 secondsThey can't cut anything off. And I mean so what do you say to your kids? Well, we just got to auction the property and
1:11:211 hour, 11 minutes, 21 secondsyou got to go to Perry County to buy some property because you can't buy hit county unless you buy five acres at a time.
1:11:281 hour, 11 minutes, 28 secondsAnd so that's what you're saying and that's what they're going to sneak in and that's what they snuck in in Wson County. I'm going to rest. I think I
1:11:361 hour, 11 minutes, 36 secondstook up too much air. Thank you Tucker.
1:11:571 hour, 11 minutes, 57 secondsI appreciate the opportunity of being to speak tonight. I I'm thankful for that opportunity. I would ask you as a a
1:12:041 hour, 12 minutes, 4 secondsplanning land committee, you know, to take everybody's account in here and listen to every voice here because that truly is what makes government work for the people. And that's who it's for.
1:12:151 hour, 12 minutes, 15 secondsIt's for the people. I would say a lot, you know, that Ronnie George just said, you know, um I was lucky enough to for my dad to deed me off an acre of land.
1:12:261 hour, 12 minutes, 26 secondsAnd I'm very thankful for it. It gave me my start. And as high as stuff has gotten in Hitman County, you know, I'm afraid Hitman counties are going to be
1:12:351 hour, 12 minutes, 35 secondspriced out of Hitman County. I mean, that's just the simple truth. You know, your average home, just your average
1:12:431 hour, 12 minutes, 43 secondshome, it's 275,000. You're going to have to do some work to it. You know, you're going to have to make about $90,000 starting out. And that's with no debt.
1:12:561 hour, 12 minutes, 56 secondsNo debt, you know. So, it is about the young people. Whenever I bought my land like 17 years ago, me and my wife, we
1:13:031 hour, 13 minutes, 3 secondsthought about our kids and we were hopeful that, you know, we would be able to deed them off some land and and, you
1:13:111 hour, 13 minutes, 11 secondsknow, we had that in mind. But this 5 acre deal, over 80% of the county is going to knock a lot of that in the
1:13:181 hour, 13 minutes, 18 secondshead. Not unless we make some kind of provision for it, you know. Uh, that's just it's it's not feasible. It's not
1:13:271 hour, 13 minutes, 27 secondsfeasible for our kids. I ask you this question. If your house today in Hitman County was sitting on 5 acres of land, could you afford it?
1:13:381 hour, 13 minutes, 38 secondsCould you afford it?
1:13:411 hour, 13 minutes, 41 secondsAnd for me and my wife, we've sat down and talked about this as soon as we found out. My answer is we've got both
1:13:481 hour, 13 minutes, 48 secondsof us got pretty good jobs, but we could not afford our house with 5 acres of land. We just couldn't do it. Not the
1:13:551 hour, 13 minutes, 55 secondsway inflation is today. you know, we we couldn't do it. So, I I mean, and and two, you know, we're one acre throughout
1:14:041 hour, 14 minutes, 4 secondsthe whole county right now. Am I correct?
1:14:081 hour, 14 minutes, 8 secondsIs is that correct? No. No. There's other than the city limits maybe. Well, and and the u county where the the current and that maybe less, right? Yes.
1:14:201 hour, 14 minutes, 20 secondsYes. Okay. So, one acre, you know, throughout the whole county, you know, right now it could go down less. Yeah.
1:14:261 hour, 14 minutes, 26 secondsAnd then, you know, and this is this map, you know, you got it drawn as the the green, you know, as as as rule. And
1:14:341 hour, 14 minutes, 34 secondsyet I see Little Lot and Pinewood some of the and Toddy's Ben some of the best agricultural land in our county.
1:14:431 hour, 14 minutes, 43 secondsYou know, if you grew up, you know that in Hitman County, that's some of your best agricultural land. I I just I don't
1:14:501 hour, 14 minutes, 50 secondsquite understand that. and and you know that that's just that's what I wanted to say as as far as you know this this is
1:14:591 hour, 14 minutes, 59 secondsreally going to affect our young people and it's going to affect Hitman County and I don't want to drive Hitman County out of Hitman County and I I do believe
1:15:081 hour, 15 minutes, 8 secondsthis is what this is going to do. Thank you. Rhonda Wilkerson.
1:15:211 hour, 15 minutes, 21 secondsI'm Ronda Wilkerson. My family and I together own 300 plus agricultural forestry acres in Pinewood on Pinewood
1:15:301 hour, 15 minutes, 30 secondsRoad. We desire to remain under the A1 agricultural zoning regulations. We support the 5acre minimum with
1:15:381 hour, 15 minutes, 38 secondsstipulation to deed off a smaller track to family members, you know, if need be.
1:15:451 hour, 15 minutes, 45 secondsUm, just ask that you protect our agriculture for lands, excuse me, our waterways. Thank you.
1:15:521 hour, 15 minutes, 52 secondsAustin Page.
1:15:561 hour, 15 minutes, 56 secondsHaving served as a county commissioner and on planning and zoning, I received three pieces of advice that come to my mind right now. One was from Keith and
1:16:051 hour, 16 minutes, 5 secondsDanny and Claude. Claude, you told me that government policy is like a wildfire and it can't be stopped when it starts. Danny, you told me that a lot of
1:16:141 hour, 16 minutes, 14 secondsfolks want to shut the gate behind them and they forget that someone else left it open for them. and you told me if you take a man's money, you ride for the
1:16:211 hour, 16 minutes, 21 secondsbrand and you've got all their money. We all do. So that's the first three pieces of advice. And I say that because the
1:16:281 hour, 16 minutes, 28 secondsand I build houses, I supply houses and I can say I represent probably 200 plus different families. I see what young
1:16:361 hour, 16 minutes, 36 secondspeople are facing. It is hard. We have no inventory. And some of the same commissioners and the same leadership
1:16:431 hour, 16 minutes, 43 secondsthat is in support of a 5 acre minimum has also fought violently against the sewer that would allow for a growth zone
1:16:501 hour, 16 minutes, 50 secondswhere we'd like to have it. There's no there's no sewer. I have a apartment complex on Highway 7. I have 5 acres of dirt beside it. It's got sewer on it.
1:16:591 hour, 16 minutes, 59 secondsNot allowed to touch it. We're currently not allowed to touch the sewer. So, no sewer, a 5 acre minimum. and you are
1:17:051 hour, 17 minutes, 5 secondsgoing to force a high high basis for young young people. It's completely unacceptable. I believe
1:17:141 hour, 17 minutes, 14 secondsanother thing that we have to really consider here outside of this growth zone right now in the county, if you have one acre and you got a Tennessee uh
1:17:231 hour, 17 minutes, 23 secondsTD deck approved perk site, you're allowed to put a home. If you are in the current growth zone and you get a R1 zoning, which is like pulling teeth,
1:17:311 hour, 17 minutes, 31 secondsright, fellas? uh it's uh you're allowed to go down to 67 and or 68. You're allowed to do that as well. So I would
1:17:391 hour, 17 minutes, 39 secondshave uh serious concerns right now to see does that growth zone shrink and I believe without that sewer in the growth zone uh then it it does shrink. It does
1:17:491 hour, 17 minutes, 49 secondsshrink completely. Um and I also look at the end of the day I think it's insane.
1:17:521 hour, 17 minutes, 52 secondsI've worked with hundreds of families all over the county and if a man, a woman, whoever you are, and you if you've got three, four acres and you're
1:18:001 hour, 18 minutesin Cobalt or Pinewood or Wrigley or Little Lot or Shady Grove or wherever to tell them that they cannot split an acre
1:18:091 hour, 18 minutes, 9 secondsfor an aging parent, a young child or an opportunity. I think it's a shame. I really do. And I I feel strong in this.
1:18:161 hour, 18 minutes, 16 secondsI have for a long time. And that could echo a lot of what's been said. I mean, I can understand the fear. I understand
1:18:241 hour, 18 minutes, 24 secondsthe fear. We don't want to live in Brentwood. I get it. You know, it's scary. Change is scary. But right now, we're running what what's our deficit?
1:18:331 hour, 18 minutes, 33 secondsWhat's our deficit? I know you're not allowed to talk to me. 10 million? Are we in the whole 10 million? I I don't know exactly. I don't know what our
1:18:401 hour, 18 minutes, 40 secondstotal county deficit is right now, but I can tell you this. If there's not a business development and there's not affordable rooftops for the people here
1:18:471 hour, 18 minutes, 47 secondsthat need it, then it's going to grow and it's going to get a lot worse. So, I'm not in support of living in Brentwood. I am in support of affordable
1:18:551 hour, 18 minutes, 55 secondshousing and paving away for the people that need it. That's my That's my take.
1:18:591 hour, 18 minutes, 59 secondsAnd I'm going to keep building houses for the people that need it. The next name I'm probably going to butcher this Judy
1:19:071 hour, 19 minutes, 7 secondshelp me out with the last Zo. So, sorry about that. Okay.
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1:19:251 hour, 19 minutes, 25 secondsOops. You're okay. Okay.
1:19:291 hour, 19 minutes, 29 secondsHi. Um, I appreciate everyone's stance here. I'm Judy Solio, by the way. I've lived here 30 years and I'm sure nobody knows me.
1:19:391 hour, 19 minutes, 39 secondsI've lived a quiet life.
1:19:411 hour, 19 minutes, 41 secondsUm, my issue is not as global as everyone's. Um, I live on Highway 50 East there and I
1:19:501 hour, 19 minutes, 50 secondshave six acres minus what the state can take for roadway. Um, and my issue is
1:19:571 hour, 19 minutes, 57 secondsthat, um, I want to section off a part of it for my kid. Um, they are expanding
1:20:071 hour, 20 minutes, 7 secondstheir family and they've grown out of the little house they have on Sunset.
1:20:121 hour, 20 minutes, 12 secondsAnd I told them, you know, for their legacy that they could have part of the
1:20:171 hour, 20 minutes, 17 secondsland, but with this new 5 acre issue now, um I'm concerned that they can't go
1:20:261 hour, 20 minutes, 26 secondsout and choose a house and put it on there. And I'm not sure because I own a little less than six.
1:20:331 hour, 20 minutes, 33 secondsSo, um my property is actually quite pretty. I have a log home on a hill. I have a little um out building and I have
1:20:421 hour, 20 minutes, 42 secondsthe same concerns as everyone else. The um keeping it agricultural preservation. We're trying to have a little homestead.
1:20:501 hour, 20 minutes, 50 secondsI have chickens and we're, you know, have plans for other animals. I have a cave on the property. I have bamboo growing. I mean, I'm trying to keep it
1:20:571 hour, 20 minutes, 57 secondsall natural and loving. Um, I plan to, if they inherit and can use the land,
1:21:051 hour, 21 minutes, 5 secondsum, and put it up next to my house, um, you know, just keep it in the family.
1:21:121 hour, 21 minutes, 12 secondsI've had a lot of people try to purchase it from me for ridiculous amounts of money and I said, "No, because I don't
1:21:191 hour, 21 minutes, 19 secondswant to be there. I don't want my property become like subdivided out." Um, and so I understand that part. Um,
1:21:281 hour, 21 minutes, 28 secondsI've seen a lot of farm lands in Franklin Bremwood get turned into and it's very sad driving down the road.
1:21:371 hour, 21 minutes, 37 secondsDrive down 31 and another farm is gone.
1:21:401 hour, 21 minutes, 40 secondsAnother farm is gone. It seems to be monthly that they disappear and I don't like that, but I do understand growth. I
1:21:471 hour, 21 minutes, 47 secondsunderstand that. Um, so I'd like to see this, but I'd also wonder how is this
1:21:551 hour, 21 minutes, 55 secondsgoing to affect me at at some point allowing my family to have like a little
1:22:021 hour, 22 minutes, 2 secondscompound with me because I'm not getting any younger and I really want them to be taking care of me in my old age and be
1:22:101 hour, 22 minutes, 10 secondsaround me. So, it's echoing a lot of the concerns of these people here.
1:22:191 hour, 22 minutes, 19 secondsMaybe not in the same terminology, but I seem to be on the east part of the county, so it may not affect me as much
1:22:281 hour, 22 minutes, 28 secondsthe way everyone is talking. The numbers may be different as far as the acreage. So, I'm still not quite understanding.
1:22:391 hour, 22 minutes, 39 secondsSo I should just wait and see and keep checking the website. Yeah. For more information down and I mean as the
1:22:471 hour, 22 minutes, 47 secondsdiscussions go. Yeah. Yeah. There'll be I mean you just and this goes for everybody. Come to the meetings. I mean
1:22:551 hour, 22 minutes, 55 secondsas as the more we talk and the more we tweak this and then get into the zoning changes. Just keep coming to the meetings and stay. Okay. In the meantime I can still buy the septic permit and
1:23:041 hour, 23 minutes, 4 secondskeep going with it. Oh yeah. Nothing's going to change until there's boat and all of that. Okay, thank you so much.
1:23:111 hour, 23 minutes, 11 secondsNext name, uh, Steve. Is it Chason?
1:23:251 hour, 23 minutes, 25 secondsSo, uh, my name is Steve Chason. I'm a real estate agent, investor. Uh, I, uh, appreciate the discussion this evening.
1:23:331 hour, 23 minutes, 33 secondsUm, uh, it's been informative to a certain extent. Uh, I can't say these are there are certain things here that
1:23:411 hour, 23 minutes, 41 secondsare I guess a little bit troubling and as a as a resident of Hickman County, I just like to understand and I think you
1:23:491 hour, 23 minutes, 49 secondsknow everybody's expressing genuine goodwill towards moving to to what they think is right. Um,
1:23:581 hour, 23 minutes, 58 secondsone quick question and just for my own edification, uh, Austin had mentioned that we have about a $10 million deficit in the county, $400 per every human
1:24:071 hour, 24 minutes, 7 secondsbeing. Um, I I don't I don't I don't know what he's talking 9.8 on the 10 million. It was on the front page of paper. 9.8 million.
1:24:171 hour, 24 minutes, 17 secondsThe 10 I mean it's I mean it's 9.8 million. It was on the front page of paper. So are you are you disputing
1:24:251 hour, 24 minutes, 25 secondsthat? No, what I'm saying is on the I mean this is planning it and so you know I mean we we've done the Well, no. Well, there's there's context to the question,
1:24:341 hour, 24 minutes, 34 secondssir. Uh sorry. The uh the cost of this particular line item, does anybody know how much it cost? I'm just curious.
1:24:441 hour, 24 minutes, 44 secondsI was told 175,000.
1:24:461 hour, 24 minutes, 46 secondsTalking for them? Yes. Yeah, I can get y'all that exact number. No. Does somebody Nobody knows it? Well, we no I mean it's we've talked about it two years ago, but I mean that there's
1:24:541 hour, 24 minutes, 54 secondsthere's been a lot of numbers that we discussed. It's a pretty big line item number 175,000. I I guess my question if
1:25:021 hour, 25 minutes, 2 secondswe're 10 million in a hole and nobody knows where the Okay. Yeah. Okay. Not trying to be It just seems a little bit
1:25:081 hour, 25 minutes, 8 secondsyou just talk. Yes. Yes. Back and forth time. You just No. No. I understand. Um
1:25:161 hour, 25 minutes, 16 secondsso uh I I guess I certainly believe in controlled
1:25:231 hour, 25 minutes, 23 secondsgrowth. Um I don't know where if if part of the discussion of this growth or this growth
1:25:321 hour, 25 minutes, 32 secondsplan is not necessarily the ideal, but what you're going to do with people's property. In other words, that's 80% of
1:25:391 hour, 25 minutes, 39 secondsthe county as this very nice lady just mentioned. and you're going to tell her she's no longer allowed to cut off an
1:25:461 hour, 25 minutes, 46 secondsacre to support her family. Um, agricultural preservation is done by farmers who have an interest in
1:25:531 hour, 25 minutes, 53 secondsmaintaining land, often with extended families, not always with extended families, often with uh people who work
1:26:001 hour, 26 minuteson their farms. And there are some people who just simply don't want any growth. And I I I guess everybody's
1:26:091 hour, 26 minutes, 9 secondsentitled to that opinion. extra time, but I I cut into it, so you keep going. I I'll give you another minute. Okay.
1:26:181 hour, 26 minutes, 18 secondsUm, so, um,
1:26:271 hour, 26 minutes, 27 secondsI'm sorry, I'm taking some notes. Um, yeah. Anyway, uh, regarding urban
1:26:351 hour, 26 minutes, 35 secondssprawl, we've gone from 25,000 to 26,000 people in roughly the last 20 years. 25
1:26:431 hour, 26 minutes, 43 secondsto 26,000 through I appreciate you elucidating me. Um, where we are in Hickman County is in the West Highland
1:26:501 hour, 26 minutes, 50 secondsRim, a physioraphic region of Tennessee that limits growth and development. And
1:26:571 hour, 26 minutes, 57 secondsDrew basically verified that it doesn't matter if you have five acres or one acre. The growth and development is not
1:27:051 hour, 27 minutes, 5 secondsgoing to happen on the outskirts of the Highland Rim. It's going to be within the Nashville basin and within the central basin, Davidson Williamson
1:27:131 hour, 27 minutes, 13 secondsMurray. I am all about progrowth. I just if you have grandma and grandpa that want to cut off one acre and give it to their kids or give it to a helper or
1:27:221 hour, 27 minutes, 22 secondshelp pay their taxes which are probably going to have to go up um you know they should be entitled to do that. I think that's the opinion of most of the people
1:27:301 hour, 27 minutes, 30 secondshere and I don't believe that you somebody else imposing their will upon somebody's right to dispose of
1:27:391 hour, 27 minutes, 39 secondstheir property is where most people that own land I think some people feel that way. I don't think most of the people out there that own land believe you
1:27:471 hour, 27 minutes, 47 secondsshould be able to do that. And we are essentially going to be voting on a plan that is going into law for zoning changes. It
1:27:551 hour, 27 minutes, 55 secondshad been mentioned in the beginning that this isn't law, but this is the recommendation that's going to council for law. Correct.
1:28:061 hour, 28 minutes, 6 secondsOkay. Thank you for your time, sir. Delta Mayberry.
1:28:201 hour, 28 minutes, 20 secondsCitizen citizen citizen proud to be a citizen. Claude, first of
1:28:291 hour, 28 minutes, 29 secondsall, I want to thank you for being patient with everybody. I realize this is not a question answer, but you have been very patient and I appreciate it.
1:28:391 hour, 28 minutes, 39 secondsI am here as a citizen using my knowledge as a property assessor.
1:28:471 hour, 28 minutes, 47 secondsThe state of Tennessee, everything under 15 acres is based on a per unit price.
1:28:561 hour, 28 minutes, 56 secondsAnd I'm going to use a M50, which is $25,000 for the first acre. That is what
1:29:041 hour, 29 minutes, 4 secondsa lot of Highway 100 right now is valued at. one acre paid at $25,000.
1:29:121 hour, 29 minutes, 12 secondsAnd I'm using the 2024 tax base rate because to my knowledge, the state has not confirmed the 2025 rates yet.
1:29:241 hour, 29 minutes, 24 secondsBut the taxes brought in on one bare acre of land val $25,000, $161.
1:29:341 hour, 29 minutes, 34 secondsThe more acreage, the lower per acre the price gets.
1:29:401 hour, 29 minutes, 40 secondsA five acre track, total appraisal would be $53,150.
1:29:471 hour, 29 minutes, 47 secondsNow, you started out one acre at 25.
1:29:491 hour, 29 minutes, 49 secondsWhen you get to five, you're down to $53,000. The taxes on that is $342.
1:29:591 hour, 29 minutes, 59 secondsIf you take the five 1acre tracks, add them together, you get a total of $85 for taxes.
1:30:081 hour, 30 minutes, 8 secondsThat is a difference of $463 is going to be made up if the 5 acre track passes.
1:30:181 hour, 30 minutes, 18 secondsThere is a definite ratio proven by the state, the numbers work,
1:30:251 hour, 30 minutes, 25 secondsbetween the price someone pays for land and the price of a house that they can afford to build.
1:30:331 hour, 30 minutes, 33 secondsIt's a ratio of 1:7 to 1:10.
1:30:371 hour, 30 minutes, 37 secondsNow, in today's climate, I really think it will be generally closer to the 1:10.
1:30:431 hour, 30 minutes, 43 secondsSo if you have to buy five acres and you give 53,000 for it, you have
1:30:521 hour, 30 minutes, 52 secondslowered the price of the house that you're able to build because there's not so much money people can borrow.
1:31:011 hour, 31 minutes, 1 secondAnd if you had to add more price to the land to get the five acres,
1:31:081 hour, 31 minutes, 8 secondsthen you're lowering the dollar amount of the house that can be built on it.
1:31:151 hour, 31 minutes, 15 secondsUh, and this is going to translate to lower taxes, which is going to have to be made up.
1:31:251 hour, 31 minutes, 25 secondsAnother thing that I would like to point out, historically land is an investment.
1:31:331 hour, 31 minutes, 33 secondsPeople buy land for an investment.
1:31:371 hour, 31 minutes, 37 secondsA lot of people buy land and figure that's what they're going to retire on.
1:31:421 hour, 31 minutes, 42 secondsIf the 5 acre passes from the numbers that is used in the
1:31:501 hour, 31 minutes, 50 secondsproperty assessor's office, a person will basically be selling two acres of land to give it away three.
1:31:591 hour, 31 minutes, 59 secondsNow that is really going to hurt people's retirement.
1:32:031 hour, 32 minutes, 3 secondsAnd this is people that bought this land years ago with the idea that it would support them in their later life.
1:32:141 hour, 32 minutes, 14 secondsAnd I'd just like for this committee to think about that because it is going to have a huge impact on Hitman County.
1:32:251 hour, 32 minutes, 25 secondsIt's going to translate in my mind to higher taxes for everybody. it's here because the growth is not going to be here.
1:32:351 hour, 32 minutes, 35 secondsBut I appreciate y'all's willingness to work on this and your time. And again, Claude, I appreciate Yeah.
1:32:421 hour, 32 minutes, 42 secondsyou being patient. Yeah, I appreciate saying that. Um, Reed Canon.
1:32:561 hour, 32 minutes, 56 secondsI am I live in Pinewood and my main concern is I don't want a subdivision in my front yard.
1:33:061 hour, 33 minutes, 6 secondsI would like to keep Pinewood agricultural. As far as the 5 acre thing, I really don't have a dime in that. We only own two and a half acres,
1:33:161 hour, 33 minutes, 16 secondsbut um from what I'm hearing from what people's already spoke, it is a concern to subdivide out a small track and give
1:33:261 hour, 33 minutes, 26 secondsyour children or your grandchildren some property. So, I really don't understand why there couldn't be some type of amendment to be able for families to be able to do something like that.
1:33:391 hour, 33 minutes, 39 secondsThank you, uh Jared. Not a word.
1:33:561 hour, 33 minutes, 56 secondsWant to thank you all for having this today and hearing this and uh thank you to my neighbors for coming out and
1:34:041 hour, 34 minutes, 4 secondsvaluing this. Um, I actually started with a question, but now I've heard a lot of numbers tossed around, and I think, uh, one gentleman said something
1:34:141 hour, 34 minutes, 14 secondsabout affordable housing. Um, I'll say that they built several houses in my neighborhood. Not one of them sold for under 330,000.
1:34:221 hour, 34 minutes, 22 secondsSo, um, that just seems to be somewhat of a misnomer. And there was another number about
1:34:311 hour, 34 minutes, 31 secondsum I guess only 400 people being asked, but I would say there's a lot less people in here tonight
1:34:381 hour, 34 minutes, 38 secondsum than 400 that were surveyed. So I just want to I guess bring that bring that number up too. And looking at this
1:34:451 hour, 34 minutes, 45 secondsmap right here um which I think y'all did a great job on it. Um you know the 5
1:34:521 hour, 34 minutes, 52 secondsacre rule only applies to areas that don't have infrastructure right now.
1:34:581 hour, 34 minutes, 58 secondsUm, so the problem with that is whoever builds that infrastructure, you know, they're going to promise, oh, we're going to do this for Hickmantown. We're
1:35:061 hour, 35 minutes, 6 secondsgoing to do, but I guarantee they build the infrastructure right there, uh, they're just going to turn around, build houses of Columbia, and sell them for a million dollars, just like they want to
1:35:141 hour, 35 minutes, 14 secondsdo in East Hickman. They want to build a wastewater facility, Williams Dixon Water Authority. It's not even a public utility. This is a private corporation.
1:35:231 hour, 35 minutes, 23 secondsThey want to build that so they can build million-dollar homes of care. This isn't about affordable housing. If you break off an acre of that, somebody's
1:35:321 hour, 35 minutes, 32 secondsstill got to build that house. And if you want to say um, you know, affordable housing to this day, I think it's the
1:35:401 hour, 35 minutes, 40 secondsprices of houses just aren't going to go down. And building um, infrastructure out there is not going to help Hickman
1:35:461 hour, 35 minutes, 46 secondsin my opinion. And I think that looking at this map, you know, the majority of it is one acre
1:35:541 hour, 35 minutes, 54 secondsor less. I mean, I live in Pinewood, still be acreage. Uh we have the infrastructure already. You don't have to build that. And in my opinion, this
1:36:041 hour, 36 minutes, 4 secondsis a special place. It's worth protecting. That's just my opinion. I drive out here and I am so proud to show
1:36:111 hour, 36 minutes, 11 secondspeople this area, this beautiful area that I live in. Um, people love it and it's probably the most water- richch
1:36:191 hour, 36 minutes, 19 secondscounty in Tennessee. One of the most water- richch areas in I mean anywhere I've been. I've never
1:36:271 hour, 36 minutes, 27 secondsbeen anywhere like it before. And you know, I think it's important important to preserve that. And as a young person
1:36:341 hour, 36 minutes, 34 secondswho makes well under $90,000, I was able to uh fortunately buy my house um for it was around 250 or so.
1:36:441 hour, 36 minutes, 44 secondsUm, and on the way down here, I saw five houses for sale on Highway 100. Just from Pinewood to here, we have housing.
1:36:521 hour, 36 minutes, 52 secondsIt is priced affordably, more so affordably than 400,000 for sure. Um, so I think that there's a lot
1:37:011 hour, 37 minutes, 1 secondof numbers that are being tossed around that are just kind of u dishonest. Um, a lot of the commentary in my opinion is
1:37:091 hour, 37 minutes, 9 secondsuh is done cynically. Um, and a lot of the people that are for this are just people that are going to make money off
1:37:171 hour, 37 minutes, 17 secondsof it. And I I just don't think that uh looking at that is as very controversial at all. Uh, I think they did a good job
1:37:241 hour, 37 minutes, 24 secondsin drawing it up and uh taking our community into account. Um, and I really appreciate it. If I have more time, I
1:37:321 hour, 37 minutes, 32 secondshave a question. Yeah. This is a question I originally had. Uh, if I read it correctly, there was a conservation easement in the plan. Is that true? Yes.
1:37:411 hour, 37 minutes, 41 secondsAnd so those are mentioned earlier those are largely limited currently to where you have uh land that's preserved. So
1:37:491 hour, 37 minutes, 49 secondsobviously you've got it along natur parkway um also the the bon reserve up there. So that's that's where those are
1:37:571 hour, 37 minutes, 57 secondscurrently located where it's just a a moratorium one. So the agricultural preservation area if you wanted to subdivide it less than 5 acres you could
1:38:061 hour, 38 minutes, 6 secondsessentially do so if you enter into a conservation easement on part of the land. Is that am I that's that that
1:38:141 hour, 38 minutes, 14 secondsyeah I mean we don't we don't get into that level of we don't get into that particular issue that's something that would need to be but that that could be
1:38:221 hour, 38 minutes, 22 secondsan option potential okay that was it uh next uh normal manner
1:38:371 hour, 38 minutes, 37 secondsthank you for the opportunity to speak And I I'm going to apologize to begin with. I am not a public speaker. My knees are shaking right now. So if I stutter and stammer, please forgive me.
1:38:461 hour, 38 minutes, 46 secondsUm and I really don't really necessarily want to weigh in on the 1acre 5acre thing. I don't know how that particularly should go. I know there's a
1:38:551 hour, 38 minutes, 55 secondslot of opinion on it. My major concern to the extent of that is that the overlapping of the area that they were talking about with the Dixon Water
1:39:031 hour, 39 minutes, 3 secondsAuthority and how it happens to overlap with a lot of this eastern end here, uh, which I happen to live close to, I guess
1:39:101 hour, 39 minutes, 10 secondsyou can tell. But, um, my fear is what that's going to do to our our personal wellwater and and our the aquafer that's
1:39:191 hour, 39 minutes, 19 secondsunderneath our whole county and everything. As you know, it all flows downhill. I mean, you know, this is not just going to affect this upper end,
1:39:271 hour, 39 minutes, 27 secondseverything all the way down uh to the Duck River, all the way down. This kind
1:39:361 hour, 39 minutes, 36 secondsthis kind of growth will cause us to have all of the negative things that Dixon and Williamson County have, but none of the positive.
1:39:461 hour, 39 minutes, 46 secondsWe risk the health and safety not only of our own generation, but every generation to come. Once this stuff is in the water, it's it's you don't get it
1:39:541 hour, 39 minutes, 54 secondsback out. You don't get it out of the land. And
1:40:011 hour, 40 minutes, 1 secondI'm sorry. Okay. You got a couple more minutes.
1:40:091 hour, 40 minutes, 9 secondsWe don't have access to city water and sewer in our area because we don't want it. Thank goodness. and and hope that it doesn't come our way because of the
1:40:161 hour, 40 minutes, 16 secondsrisk, the tradeoff for what it does to the to the environment and our health is is is unacceptable. Um,
1:40:241 hour, 40 minutes, 24 secondswe live along a creek and it's a magnet for everybody in Williamson County already and when the population increases in that area, it's only going
1:40:321 hour, 40 minutes, 32 secondsto get worse. The creek right now is at the lowest I've ever seen it since the 60s. It's it's never been lower on a spring that we've had the most rain that
1:40:401 hour, 40 minutes, 40 secondsI can remember. You know what? what is this going to do to that environment? Um, and and how it relates to that.
1:40:491 hour, 40 minutes, 49 secondsThat's I'm sorry.
1:40:541 hour, 40 minutes, 54 secondsThank you. Um, James Johnston,
1:41:071 hour, 41 minutes, 7 secondsI have spoken to some of the commissioners here uh by called them, talked to them. Y'all know
1:41:141 hour, 41 minutes, 14 secondshow I feel about it. I'm not for this five acres. I've got children. I've got grandchildren coming up and they're not
1:41:211 hour, 41 minutes, 21 secondsrich. You uh you take the people, young kids coming up. If they got to get five
1:41:291 hour, 41 minutes, 29 secondsacres of ground, that limits their abil ability to even put even a mobile home on a a single a double wide cuz you
1:41:381 hour, 41 minutes, 38 secondscan't put you got to have 15 acres now to put a sink on. That just about rules them out. If they get a mobile home, it's going to have to be a double wide
1:41:471 hour, 41 minutes, 47 secondsand it's going to have even if they get a used one, they got to try to get financing. Y'all all know about financing. It's not easy to get financing on a new one. So, how they
1:41:551 hour, 41 minutes, 55 secondsgoing to get financing on the land, get financing on the trailer, and get it set up and them to be able to make a living?
1:42:041 hour, 42 minutes, 4 secondsBecause like I brought up the last time when I was here, if say a guy's making $21 an hour, he's got to get out of this county. You don't have the
1:42:111 hour, 42 minutes, 11 secondsinfrastructure here to pay most of the guys here $21 a night. If you got his wife usually going to have to stay here
1:42:201 hour, 42 minutes, 20 secondswith the kids, you know, they'll go work at a daycare or school or or something that's making 10 $12 an hour or 13 maybe
1:42:281 hour, 42 minutes, 28 secondsor maybe a little bit more. But at the end of the day or the end of the month, from what I know for being a supervisor
1:42:361 hour, 42 minutes, 36 secondsat work, the guy drives a beater, it's paid for. The wife has to have a decent car. I explained that the last time here. You got to make a payment on that.
1:42:461 hour, 42 minutes, 46 secondsYou got to pay insurance on it. Y'all know about insurance. Well, you got to pay insurance on the property, property insurance, which is on the trailer and
1:42:541 hour, 42 minutes, 54 secondseverything. You got to pay the land taxes. You got to pay all of that. So, how he going to furnish put his family
1:43:011 hour, 43 minutes, 1 secondin a 5 acre plot with the trailer? Just I'm not talking about a house. I'm just talking about a trailer. You look at
1:43:101 hour, 43 minutes, 10 secondswhat five acres roughly $50,000, maybe $35 to $50,000. He got to make that loan. Well, he got to pay for that
1:43:181 hour, 43 minutes, 18 secondsbefore he can even think about getting a trailer or anything or build a house. Well, he's got to rent somewhere.
1:43:271 hour, 43 minutes, 27 secondsHe got to pay rent. He got to eat. He got to have insuranceances on this him and his wife. He got to have insuranceances on all the vehicles. This
1:43:351 hour, 43 minutes, 35 secondsthat and the other. How is he going to make that in Hitman County? I'd like to I'd like to know that. And I expressed my opinion to some of y'all. I've told
1:43:441 hour, 43 minutes, 44 secondsyou. I left you horse voicemails. I'm sure y'all heard me. I don't want to be a butt, but I want somebody to explain that to me because I don't see it from
1:43:521 hour, 43 minutes, 52 secondswhat they make. time they they got to hold out for their things that come out of their check. You don't get that much
1:44:001 hour, 44 minutesmoney. Yeah, you made $21 there. By the time you take out all the taxes, y'all know about about that with y'all's income. And you get all the taxes out of it and pay your gas. He has to pay gas.
1:44:111 hour, 44 minutes, 11 secondsHe has to go back and forth to Columbia, Franklin, somewhere to work. 30 seconds.
1:44:161 hour, 44 minutes, 16 seconds30 seconds. Okay. I'm sorry. I just wanted to express that opinion. The five acres is not good for this county. If you want to do a impose something, why
1:44:251 hour, 44 minutes, 25 secondscan't you? If you're thinking about developing uh companies coming in, buying maybe developing land and putting housing on it, you know what you're
1:44:331 hour, 44 minutes, 33 secondstalking about. And uh why can't you restrict them? You you furnish them permits. Why don't you call the permits?
1:44:401 hour, 44 minutes, 40 secondsYou got to do this or you got to do that. You can only allow so many permits to that land and then leave the the residential people alone. Why couldn't
1:44:491 hour, 44 minutes, 49 secondswe do that? I'm just asked. Thank you for coming.
1:44:581 hour, 44 minutes, 58 secondsPhilip Hall Brooks. Paul Brooks.
1:45:101 hour, 45 minutes, 10 secondsGood evening.
1:45:111 hour, 45 minutes, 11 secondsHow y'all doing with that? Uh well, I had got a whole lot to say except that I'm against the 5 acre thing and uh I
1:45:201 hour, 45 minutes, 20 secondswould like to have a show of hands of the people that are against
1:45:281 hour, 45 minutes, 28 secondsagainst the five acres against the five acres. So it look like it pretty well split, don't it?
1:45:381 hour, 45 minutes, 38 secondsUh, I would love to see it stay at the one acre for any of the properties that's on any county roads or anything like that.
1:45:491 hour, 45 minutes, 49 secondsAnd uh, if you're going to put a 5 acre thing, put it back in some of those uh, large timber areas that we got in the county. It ain't even farmland.
1:45:591 hour, 45 minutes, 59 secondsand uh you know, let them go out there and buy the five acres, but don't leave some of this along the roads for for our
1:46:071 hour, 46 minutes, 7 secondskids. They need it. We don't need somebody else telling us what to do with our own land. That's the way I see it.
1:46:141 hour, 46 minutes, 14 secondsPraise God. Thank you.
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1:46:371 hour, 46 minutes, 37 secondsHello ladies and gentlemen, Eric Fstead.
1:46:401 hour, 46 minutes, 40 secondsI'm here to talk about the five acres and the land use plan. Now, the land use plan is a
1:46:501 hour, 46 minutes, 50 secondsgood idea. Everybody needs to figure out what they're going to do with the land.
1:46:551 hour, 46 minutes, 55 secondsWhere did the restriction that has to be attached with this?
1:47:031 hour, 47 minutes, 3 secondsDuring a land use plan, there's nowhere in the state law says you have to restrict the citizens of a county
1:47:121 hour, 47 minutes, 12 secondsto a certain size. The state mandates one acre for septic systems. That's understandable.
1:47:201 hour, 47 minutes, 20 secondsIf the citizens want to have restrictions put on themselves, you should take some of the money for
1:47:271 hour, 47 minutes, 27 secondsthe land use plan, have a special election, let the citizens vote instead of 11 people.
1:47:371 hour, 47 minutes, 37 secondsAnd then if the 11 people don't vote the way they want to, then the citizens can see how they go and replace them.
1:47:451 hour, 47 minutes, 45 secondsSo have it by the will of the people for the land use, not a board that's hired
1:47:531 hour, 47 minutes, 53 secondsto achieve a certain agenda.
1:47:581 hour, 47 minutes, 58 secondsCuz that's the same as if you're going to hire attorney, you hire one that's going to meet your agenda, hire a land
1:48:041 hour, 48 minutes, 4 secondsuse plan, hire the engineers that will do what a certain few people may want. I
1:48:131 hour, 48 minutes, 13 secondswould take the money and make a special election or referendum and let the citizens of the county vote. If they
1:48:221 hour, 48 minutes, 22 secondschoose not to vote for it, let them be quiet. If they choose to vote for it, that's the will of the people, not the will of 11.
1:48:311 hour, 48 minutes, 31 secondsThat's all I have to say. Thank you.
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1:48:391 hour, 48 minutes, 39 secondsU before we get into uh before we leave uh this uh u just a couple of comments.
1:48:491 hour, 48 minutes, 49 secondsUm the any any zoning change, and I said this earlier, but I'll say it again. Any
1:48:581 hour, 48 minutes, 58 secondszoning change, that's the green book, um is a is a it'll come out of the planning commission. It'll have two public
1:49:071 hour, 49 minutes, 7 secondshearings and then it's voted on by the county commission. It it's it's this this body will make a recommendation.
1:49:141 hour, 49 minutes, 14 secondsUm and then it goes to the county commission for a vote. Uh we changed it last month. There used to be just one
1:49:211 hour, 49 minutes, 21 secondspublic hearing. There'll be two. Of course, we're a ways away from that because nothing I mean, as you can tell, there's there's going to be a lot of
1:49:291 hour, 49 minutes, 29 secondsedits and so um you know, there's not going to be a vote on the land use plan tonight. Um but um but it's it's he said
1:49:371 hour, 49 minutes, 37 secondshe said 11. It's the 14 county commissioners is who that's who that's who puts the the uh the zoning resolution.
1:49:481 hour, 49 minutes, 48 secondsThat's what makes it law. This this committee, the planning committee will kick around all kinds of things. Um as
1:49:571 hour, 49 minutes, 57 secondsfar as the zoning changes, we talk about that stuff and the fine details in it.
1:50:031 hour, 50 minutes, 3 secondsUm, I mean, it's the five acres has been the common theme of the night. Um, you know, there's counties that are have
1:50:091 hour, 50 minutes, 9 secondsfive acres and then they have they allow an acre to be a family to go down to an acre. It has to stay in the family for
1:50:171 hour, 50 minutes, 17 secondsfor 10 years. There's other counties that allow it to be so divide, make the like the compound word was used. And so,
1:50:251 hour, 50 minutes, 25 secondsum, and it's and I and the staff's already started looking at this. I've already started talking to other counties. I mean this there's going to be a lot of discussion about how we can
1:50:331 hour, 50 minutes, 33 secondsmake all of this work, preserve the rural part of the county, but but also accommodate, you know, that and it's
1:50:401 hour, 50 minutes, 40 secondsit's I mean it's nothing can be done fast when it comes to planning and zoning. Um it it's there's a lot of
1:50:481 hour, 50 minutes, 48 secondsavenues to look. That's why I started to call another county to see. And so there they're there all that's going to be kicked around. But I just want everybody
1:50:551 hour, 50 minutes, 55 secondsto understand that as far as a zoning change that is made on lot size, unit
1:51:031 hour, 51 minutes, 3 secondssize, all of that. It it will first come out of this committee after it's been discussed. And then in order for it to
1:51:111 hour, 51 minutes, 11 secondsbecome the law, it's going to have it'll be passed by the county commission, the 14 county commissions that are from
1:51:191 hour, 51 minutes, 19 secondsevery district. So, I wanted to clear that up. It's it's it's a long process.
1:51:241 hour, 51 minutes, 24 secondsThere'll be a lot of discussion, but but the but as long as everybody understands that any change like that, it's got to
1:51:311 hour, 51 minutes, 31 secondsstart here and then it goes to the county commission. It'll have two hearings. Uh it it'll have it'll be basically two months. It'll be there'll
1:51:391 hour, 51 minutes, 39 secondsbe a public comment before the county commission meeting and then there will be no vote that first month and then the second month there'll be another public
1:51:471 hour, 51 minutes, 47 secondscomment period and then there'll be a vote there and so it it is a long process but just need to understand that if any
1:51:561 hour, 51 minutes, 56 secondsmy time's up so but I hope everybody understands
1:52:021 hour, 52 minutes, 2 secondsthat. Um so that wraps up uh the public comment period. Um and out
1:52:091 hour, 52 minutes, 9 secondsprocedure-wise, um it's the um on on the on the land use
1:52:161 hour, 52 minutes, 16 secondsplan. Um we're going to have we're going to put the latest edition on the website. Uh and then um and then we'll
1:52:261 hour, 52 minutes, 26 secondswe will planning commission, I need y'all to weigh in and then the it'll stay on the agenda for next month under old business and we'll we'll kick it
1:52:351 hour, 52 minutes, 35 secondsright back up next month. And so, and I and I'll say this, our our county clerk goofed this. The meeting starts at 6:30.
1:52:431 hour, 52 minutes, 43 secondsI fixed it. Yeah.
1:52:461 hour, 52 minutes, 46 secondsShows you weren't listening. But we It's the first It's the We meet the first Tuesday night of every month at 6:30
1:52:541 hour, 52 minutes, 54 secondsright here. The It's the first Tuesday of every month. Unless Unless it hits If it hits on the holiday, then then we'll have to adjust it. Uh but that's that's when we meet. And so, uh Okay.
1:53:071 hour, 53 minutes, 7 secondsUh, somebody correct me on the procedure here, but are we ready to move on to new business?
1:53:161 hour, 53 minutes, 16 secondsUm, my comments for the city, I know I'm on the agenda pertain to the land use plan. Do you want me to Yeah, you're you're you're a D on the new business.
1:53:251 hour, 53 minutes, 25 secondsOkay. You're I don't know if you saw that or not. I heard you say that we were wrapping up the land use plan.
1:53:291 hour, 53 minutes, 29 secondsYeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's that cuz that's that's going to be I figure that's going to be a little bit different on the uh with pertaining to
1:53:361 hour, 53 minutes, 36 secondscity and all that. So I understand what you're saying but what you got you down is is deep. Do we need we asked any questions? Do we need another break? Are
1:53:441 hour, 53 minutes, 44 secondswe ready to go along? Fine. We'll take 10 minutes.
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2:04:122 hours, 4 minutes, 12 secondsUh on the new business, uh request uh Silicon Ranch, Tener Scott, plan approval property located on
2:04:222 hours, 4 minutes, 22 secondsNorth Lake Link Creek. Um I will uh Amanda, if you don't mind introducing
2:04:292 hours, 4 minutes, 29 secondsthis, please. Sure. Um this is a final site plan approval on property located on North Lake Creek in Lys. Um you all
2:04:382 hours, 4 minutes, 38 secondssaw this site plan last month. Um they have provided their storm water pollution prevention program um permit
2:04:462 hours, 4 minutes, 46 secondsfrom Tde. Um they provided a copy of that uh to the office. Um no plans, no
2:04:532 hours, 4 minutes, 53 secondschanges have been made to their site plan uh since last month. Um meaning that this is a final site plan that's
2:05:012 hours, 5 minutes, 1 secondbeen submitted. No changes again have been made and staff recommends approval.
2:05:092 hours, 5 minutes, 9 secondsMr. Nash, make a motion to approve. Motion to approve. There is a second. Okay. Motion to approve and a second.
2:05:152 hours, 5 minutes, 15 secondsSecond. Clark.
2:05:242 hours, 5 minutes, 24 secondsAny discussion?
2:05:332 hours, 5 minutes, 33 secondsHearing none. No call. Will Mayberry? Yes. Jeff Church? Yes. Tony Taylor? Yes.
2:05:422 hours, 5 minutes, 42 secondsTommy Caps.
2:05:442 hours, 5 minutes, 44 secondsHe had step up just for a second. Okay, we'll come back for a circle back. Danny Clark, yes. Eddie Boo, yes.
2:05:522 hours, 5 minutes, 52 secondsLane, yes. Jason Carter, yes. Clark, yes. Keith Nash, yes. Andy Maddox, yes.
2:06:002 hours, 6 minutesAnd Mr. Tommy, yes.
2:06:062 hours, 6 minutes, 6 secondsDoes anyone change? I'll teach. Okay. It has approval. And and I'll say this um because I see some faces in the crowd
2:06:152 hours, 6 minutes, 15 secondsthat not here for this part is uh normal monthly business of the planning commission if there is a subdivision
2:06:232 hours, 6 minutes, 23 secondsplaque that uh if there's subdivision it's going to be built in the county. uh that plaque is brought into the office um and it's reviewed by the office and
2:06:322 hours, 6 minutes, 32 secondsthen if it follows and fits all the things in this book um uh then then it
2:06:402 hours, 6 minutes, 40 secondsis it is approved and uh but there there's a lot of things that has to be checked on that I mean it's the list is
2:06:492 hours, 6 minutes, 49 secondsextremely lengthy and and it's all governed by uh by the by the zoning resolution and so but that's that's what
2:06:562 hours, 6 minutes, 56 secondswe're kind of handling now and if there's questions or some some gray area, you know, we kind of we have to go through that, but um uh if it
2:07:052 hours, 7 minutes, 5 secondsfits all the criteria. All right, the next is uh zoning request uh Dylan Jenkins going from A1 to R1.
2:07:182 hours, 7 minutes, 18 secondsAnd and Brooke, if you don't mind, and I say this now, too. Um uh normally the director of planning and zoning is is
2:07:252 hours, 7 minutes, 25 secondsintroducing these. Uh Austin Brown is our u newly hired uh
2:07:332 hours, 7 minutes, 33 secondsplanning and zoning director. His first day was July the 1st today. Um and so yeah. Yeah, that's good timing, is it?
2:07:452 hours, 7 minutes, 45 secondsYeah. So well, we'll see. We'll see. I think he's going to make it today, too, though. But, uh, uh, but yeah, he's and
2:07:522 hours, 7 minutes, 52 secondsso he start next month, he'll have more of a role in this. But, Brooke, uh, if you don't mind, if you can just kind of talk about this a little bit, please.
2:08:002 hours, 8 minutesUh, let's see. Dylan Jenkins, let's see, reszoning. Um, he wants to resone to R1
2:08:082 hours, 8 minutes, 8 secondsfrom A1. It's on North Creek and it is in the planned growth area.
2:08:152 hours, 8 minutes, 15 secondsUm, perfect. Uh, it's not in is it? I don't think it is on.
2:08:222 hours, 8 minutes, 22 secondsOh, that's um Oh, sorry. Yeah, McFarland. I'm sorry. 9010 McFarland Road. Yeah, that was on above. Sorry.
2:08:312 hours, 8 minutes, 31 secondsAnd I should have read all the way. It is on McFarland Road. Uh, it is in in the um plane growth area.
2:08:402 hours, 8 minutes, 40 secondsSo, uh questions uh from the Um,
2:08:492 hours, 8 minutes, 49 secondsit's kind of hard to see from Is that at the at the end of McFarland Road?
2:08:562 hours, 8 minutes, 56 secondsThis This is the one on top.
2:08:592 hours, 8 minutes, 59 secondsI'm having a hard time because this says McFarland Road here.
2:09:052 hours, 9 minutes, 5 secondsThis is the mailing address is the Tom Pat. Is that at the end of McFarland Road? I'm just trying to I'm asking because I got Yes, please.
2:09:152 hours, 9 minutes, 15 secondsYes. Sorry. Yeah.
2:09:172 hours, 9 minutes, 17 secondsYeah. So, there's actually not even a road sign there. That's just a mailing address. It may be an old road. I don't know what happened. Um but yeah, it's
2:09:252 hours, 9 minutes, 25 secondsactually there is road frontage like right on 100 right there. So, Rod Ro right where Prim Springs Road.
2:09:332 hours, 9 minutes, 33 secondsSo, Prim Springs Road is right. I mean, Dylan, is this like an easement? I mean, I'm trying to figure out. No, that's
2:09:402 hours, 9 minutes, 40 secondsactual road frontage. This is But this is Highway 100. Yeah. Mhm. And then where is McFarland Road?
2:09:482 hours, 9 minutes, 48 secondsIt's the same thing. There ain't no road sign or anything.
2:09:542 hours, 9 minutes, 54 secondsSo, so it's actually on 100. It's on 100. Yeah.
2:09:592 hours, 9 minutes, 59 secondsMcFarland lane out there and you go a little bit further down and that's it.
2:10:032 hours, 10 minutes, 3 secondsBut as far as McFarland Road, I mean, you can try to look it up on GPS. gone.
2:10:092 hours, 10 minutes, 9 secondsSo, I was looking at and on the old plat map, it actually showed a road coming around. Um, it's behind it's in behind a
2:10:162 hours, 10 minutes, 16 secondstrailer car. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So, if you divide this property uh and I mean obviously if you're going to R1 from A1,
2:10:242 hours, 10 minutes, 24 secondsthen you're you're wanting to to divide the property. How how are you going to get driveways? Well, I was actually told to So, what I want to do is actually do
2:10:312 hours, 10 minutes, 31 secondsa quadriplex. So, that's my plan with it. So, I'm not trying to split it up. I was just told I need an R1 zoning for me to be able to put more uh units than
2:10:402 hours, 10 minutes, 40 secondsjust a duplex on there. So, that's kind of why I'm here. So, the plan isn't to split it up. It's just to Yeah. do that
2:10:572 hours, 10 minutes, 57 secondsor whatever the septic permits.
2:11:002 hours, 11 minutesSo, you know, if he if he if he comes back to me and says, you know, there actually there's a trailer there. It's got a two-bedroom septic tank already there. So, you know, there's two right
2:11:092 hours, 11 minutes, 9 secondsthere. But, if I can um if I can get two more, you know, if he permits me for it, then, you know, it's even better.
2:11:262 hours, 11 minutes, 26 secondsHow much road?
2:11:292 hours, 11 minutes, 29 secondsI mean, to me it looks like 25 foot. I mean, it don't it don't look like much.
2:11:332 hours, 11 minutes, 33 secondsThere is an easement that comes through there to get to the back this back property, but mine is considered like actual road. Yeah.
2:11:482 hours, 11 minutes, 48 secondsAre you talking about taking out the mobile home? Yes. Yeah. That Yeah, that thing needs to go. It's bad. Fix the septic system. Yeah.
2:12:152 hours, 12 minutes, 15 secondsUm, it's pretty ideal for septic. Everything starts where that trailer is.
2:12:182 hours, 12 minutes, 18 secondsIt kind of slightly gradually falls back down to this bigger pott. Um, so it's got a good fall. I mean, to me, in my
2:12:252 hours, 12 minutes, 25 secondseyes, I wouldn't see any problem with, you know, septic wise doing them. Yeah,
2:12:392 hours, 12 minutes, 39 secondsI guess it would have to be addressed on 100 because it does not touch another road.
2:12:452 hours, 12 minutes, 45 secondsYeah, it says McFarland. And then these trailers that are in front, they actually they're they're actually called Free Bird Court
2:12:542 hours, 12 minutes, 54 secondsis what their name is. I don't I don't know what's going on, but I was hoping y'all might know.
2:13:132 hours, 13 minutes, 13 secondsOkay, that needs to be corrected though.
2:13:202 hours, 13 minutes, 20 secondsthe the the tax card has the u I just saw it road as the address and I'd say that would need to be corrected.
2:13:322 hours, 13 minutes, 32 secondsYeah, I'm looking for it back there. But yeah,
2:13:422 hours, 13 minutes, 42 secondsthat's get that fixed so everything is right. Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. Just for the record, are you aware that a quadriplex require a special exemption?
2:13:522 hours, 13 minutes, 52 secondsYeah. So, I had I actually had that set up first and then Robert told me he was like, "You can't, you know, you have to get this first and then next, you know,
2:14:002 hours, 14 minutesthat's the next step." Just want to make sure you Yeah. Yeah. I was aware. Yeah.
2:14:102 hours, 14 minutes, 10 secondsOther questions, discussion?
2:14:192 hours, 14 minutes, 19 secondsMake a motion to approve. Okay. Second. Any other discussion?
2:14:302 hours, 14 minutes, 30 secondsBrook, you ready for a vote? Yes, sir. Okay. Will Mayberry? Yes. Jeff Church? Yes.
2:14:382 hours, 14 minutes, 38 secondsTony Taylor? Yes. Tommy Caps. Yes. Danny Clark. Yes. Eddie Boon. Yes. Phil Lane.
2:14:472 hours, 14 minutes, 47 secondsYes. Jason Carter. Yes. Bob Calcott. Yes. Keith Nash. Yes. Andy Maddox. Yes.
2:15:002 hours, 15 minutesAnyone wish to change his vote?
2:15:032 hours, 15 minutes, 3 secondsOkay, that one's approved. Next one by Dylan. Uh this is a property uh going
2:15:102 hours, 15 minutes, 10 secondsfrom A1 to R1. Uh property located on Bond Lane, Tennessee.
2:15:182 hours, 15 minutes, 18 secondsUh this one is actually right in behind. Same similar deal beside a trailer park.
2:15:242 hours, 15 minutes, 24 secondsUm want to do the same thing. Whatever septic permits. If it's two-bedroom, you know, obviously, you know, I'm stuck
2:15:312 hours, 15 minutes, 31 secondswith that. If it's three, four, you know, I'm not planning to split it up.
2:15:352 hours, 15 minutes, 35 secondsIt's right at an acre. So, same kind of plan.
2:15:412 hours, 15 minutes, 41 secondsWhere is it at? Um, so turn in on Prim Springs Road right there from 100, you go down and it's that first dirt road right on the left.
2:15:522 hours, 15 minutes, 52 secondsKind of butts tease into Fantasy Drive.
2:16:002 hours, 16 minutesFantasy Drive. Freeird. Yeah. Yeah. Uhhuh.
2:16:062 hours, 16 minutes, 6 secondsThey were all done back in the 70s.
2:16:182 hours, 16 minutes, 18 secondsThe other one was 2.5 acres. This one's I think right If it ain't an acre, it's right under it. Right. What? Right under it. Maybe like 0.95.
2:16:422 hours, 16 minutes, 42 secondsHow far off of uh Prim Springs are you?
2:16:452 hours, 16 minutes, 45 secondsUm I can throw a rock pretty far and I bet I could hit it. I mean, it's pretty close. It's not far. But from Prim
2:16:522 hours, 16 minutes, 52 secondsSprings Road to the the property, it's a dirt. Yeah. Dirt brick. Yeah. Yeah.
2:17:002 hours, 17 minutesAnd not I'm pretty sure it's not a Y.
2:17:062 hours, 17 minutes, 6 secondsIt may be 20 V. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Right.
2:17:182 hours, 17 minutes, 18 secondsThat's going to become part of the criteria.
2:17:222 hours, 17 minutes, 22 secondsThere's a small probably 15 maybe 20 foot even
2:17:312 hours, 17 minutes, 31 seconds16 ft rightway D dirt dirt road or church road 16t rightway
2:17:492 hours, 17 minutes, 49 secondsquestions Okay, I'll be looking for motion to approve.
2:18:002 hours, 18 minutesSo, this is in the area.
2:18:042 hours, 18 minutes, 4 secondsYeah. In the correct, one last question. And again, you're trying to do a duplex whatever mult.
2:18:162 hours, 18 minutes, 16 secondsYeah. I mean, you know, but you know, you realize that what if we do this here, you still got to go to BZA. Yep. Mhm. Yeah, Robert informed me that.
2:18:272 hours, 18 minutes, 27 secondsNow, it's got it's got to go to county commission. Yeah. Yeah. And it'll be um
2:18:342 hours, 18 minutes, 34 secondsthere'll be a public comment period at the end of July and then the vote will be the August 20 28th, right? Yeah.
2:18:412 hours, 18 minutes, 41 secondsYeah. Correct. Yeah. Let's make make sure everybody understands all the timeline thing. So, it' be sometime all
2:18:492 hours, 18 minutes, 49 secondsgoes right, it'd be sometime 1st of September before the BCA would would even hear it. Gotcha. Yeah, because it would have to the county commission have
2:18:572 hours, 18 minutes, 57 secondsto approve the R1 and that's even after that's uh because y'all just put that in motion where there's three Well, yeah,
2:19:052 hours, 19 minutes, 5 secondsbecause it's got to there's got to be there's going to be two months basically two public hearings at the county commission level on changes uh any
2:19:112 hours, 19 minutes, 11 secondschanges to the book. And so the if if it if there's a motion just like well the previous property. Yeah. Like that one.
2:19:182 hours, 19 minutes, 18 secondsUh it had approval come out of this body and then it'll go to the county commission at the end of July 4th Monday
2:19:262 hours, 19 minutes, 26 secondsand then the vote will be the fourth Monday of August and then if it if it's approved there from the county commission then you'll have the
2:19:342 hours, 19 minutes, 34 secondsopportunity to go to the DCA which Eric y'all are the second Monday.
2:19:422 hours, 19 minutes, 42 secondsYeah. second Monday of uh and so it it'll it'll make sure that you if all those steps fall in place, make sure you get put on the agenda, okay, there and
2:19:502 hours, 19 minutes, 50 secondsall that. So yeah, that's the that's the timeline on all these all the changes.
2:20:022 hours, 20 minutes, 2 secondsBrook, the uh I need to say this. This being the first
2:20:092 hours, 20 minutes, 9 secondsday of July, everything we do tonight will be at the next legislative body meeting. Correct.
2:20:182 hours, 20 minutes, 18 secondsBecause of your cut offs. It should be.
2:20:202 hours, 20 minutes, 20 secondsI don't have my calendar, my my schedule in front of me, but I think it should be. Yes. And and and and in this and and
2:20:292 hours, 20 minutes, 29 secondsyou're around more than most, I want you to understand this. Last month, we approved in this body a zoning change to
2:20:372 hours, 20 minutes, 37 secondssome property right there at 046 and Johnny Crow Road. It won't come before the legislative body till next month.
2:20:442 hours, 20 minutes, 44 secondsAnd we're we're sitting here in planning having another one. Yeah. So this change just so Dylan's aware of it. It it could
2:20:502 hours, 20 minutes, 50 secondsit in in probably half the months out of the year because the planning commission is meeting so late in the month like
2:20:582 hours, 20 minutes, 58 secondsthis the first day. We could meet on the sixth day of the month. That won't allow Brook time to advertise this and it'll
2:21:062 hours, 21 minutes, 6 secondsbe three months. It won't be two. It'll be the process has been slowed down greatly. That's that and and I'm saying this and that was after that that's what
2:21:142 hours, 21 minutes, 14 secondswas approved. So, hey, was isn't wasn't there a cut off? You're like, uh, well, some of this is, and I'm not to be out
2:21:222 hours, 21 minutes, 22 secondsof turn on this, is that the the public notice has to go out and and and with the change in the paper that has changed
2:21:302 hours, 21 minutes, 30 secondssome things, too, because the paper deadlines are earlier, but it's the signs, you know, the public notice has to go out. So, that's the, you know,
2:21:372 hours, 21 minutes, 37 secondsthat's so what I mean, whatever y'all got to do. So, Right. Right. I'm good with that. I'm just rolling with the punches. So, So, but Some sometimes
2:21:452 hours, 21 minutes, 45 secondsthere is some confusion and frustration with that, you know, but that's that the typosis has to go out and all of that.
2:21:522 hours, 21 minutes, 52 secondsOkay. I got enough to keep me busy and I realize it, but you're a frequent customer and I just wanted you to
2:21:592 hours, 21 minutes, 59 secondsunderstand that that there's the dates fall. Okay. The the dates could even add another month to it.
2:22:072 hours, 22 minutes, 7 secondsOkay.
2:22:082 hours, 22 minutes, 8 secondsIt's going to be a little longer than what you're used to. Okay. But that allows for more public comment and that I think that'll be the benefit and some
2:22:182 hours, 22 minutes, 18 secondspeople don't agree with me but I think that'll be the benefit in the long run.
2:22:222 hours, 22 minutes, 22 secondsUm I definitely cuz it's around both of them are kind of set in spots where you know like all this right through here I
2:22:292 hours, 22 minutes, 29 secondsthink this guy's rental property and that. So I mean I could have some public input coming in the negative but for the most part majority I think you know I
2:22:382 hours, 22 minutes, 38 secondsdon't think it too should be too bad. I I don't disagree with that. Where you were putting it,
2:22:462 hours, 22 minutes, 46 secondsit's probably going to be better than what's around it. Yeah, I agree.
2:22:532 hours, 22 minutes, 53 secondsI've got a little issue with with R1 zoning on 16 ft rightway roads. Yeah.
2:23:022 hours, 23 minutes, 2 secondsSee, I mean, if I if it was a way for me to not have that zoning and still, you know, get that special session and do what I, you know, wanted to do,
2:23:092 hours, 23 minutes, 9 secondsdefinitely I would be up for it. Um, but I was told I had to do this. So,
2:23:292 hours, 23 minutes, 29 secondsany more discussion? We're going to have a motion to approve. Disapproved.
2:23:372 hours, 23 minutes, 37 secondsMr. Nash, make a motion to approve. Who would like to second? Second. Thank you, Mr. Caps.
2:23:462 hours, 23 minutes, 46 secondsAll right, we got a vote, please, ma'am. Will Mayberry, yes. Jeff Church, yes.
2:23:542 hours, 23 minutes, 54 secondsTony Taylor, yes. Tommy Caps, yes. Danny Clark, yes. Ed Zoom, yes. Gain, yes.
2:24:052 hours, 24 minutes, 5 secondsJason Carter, yes. Claude Calcott, yes. Keith Matt, yes. Andy Maddox, yes.
2:24:162 hours, 24 minutes, 16 secondsAnyone wish to change or vote? Have 11 yeses.
2:24:232 hours, 24 minutes, 23 secondsAppreciate it. Thank you. Good. All right. Next on uh the agenda, Joseph Blastad, director of planning and zoning for the town of Centerville.
2:24:352 hours, 24 minutes, 35 secondsUm Ashley Peterson I formerly blasted.
2:24:392 hours, 24 minutes, 39 secondsHey, I would blame that on and I and I apologize. I knew that
2:24:472 hours, 24 minutes, 47 secondsI was going to throw blasted in there anyway. Sure. Um, if you want to pass these around, there's some maps.
2:24:542 hours, 24 minutes, 54 secondsUm, so I am on the agenda as new business, but a lot of what I'm going to say is going to pertain to the land use plan that you guys have proposed, except
2:25:022 hours, 25 minutes, 2 secondsfor as far as scenario is concerned. Um, just the the what's within the urban growth boundary. And I do have a larger
2:25:092 hours, 25 minutes, 9 secondsmap if anybody else would like to urban growth foundry is that orange area that is outside of the yellow area in um on
2:25:182 hours, 25 minutes, 18 secondsthat map. Now from my understanding, Amanda, you might be able to answer this for me, but this land use plan doesn't actually change the growth boundaries.
2:25:272 hours, 25 minutes, 27 secondsIt just adds um a policy to go with the growth boundaries. Correct. Because you have to call the coordinating committees back together to be able to change the
2:25:352 hours, 25 minutes, 35 secondsactual growth boundaries. Correct. Um Okay. So, anyways, I have read the current language plan that the county
2:25:432 hours, 25 minutes, 43 secondshas um from 2008. I've also read the um one that the city has done from 2006. It
2:25:502 hours, 25 minutes, 50 secondswas actually done before um the counties was done because the state required all counties to adopt them. And at that time, the county didn't adopt one, but
2:25:582 hours, 25 minutes, 58 secondsthe city did. And that's what implemented that orange area that you're seeing. And then in 2008 when they changed it, that added the plan growth
2:26:062 hours, 26 minutes, 6 secondsarea, which is the blue area that you're seeing on you guys' map. Um, in your current land use policy, since it was
2:26:132 hours, 26 minutes, 13 secondsdone after ours, ours doesn't mention yours, but yours does mention our land use plan. Um, there are several instances to where it references
2:26:222 hours, 26 minutes, 22 secondsCenterville and how Centerville should be developed and how that urban growth boundary should be developed per Centerville's policy. What I am here
2:26:302 hours, 26 minutes, 30 secondstonight is to create a good faith effort to work together with the county where previously there may not have been that effort um even though it was written in
2:26:392 hours, 26 minutes, 39 secondsthis book 20 years ago. Um so some of the development on the map that you had for the land use plan shows a high
2:26:472 hours, 26 minutes, 47 secondsdensity development for y'all which is one unit for one acre or less depending on how it plays out. But that is
2:26:552 hours, 26 minutes, 55 secondsactually a low density development for the city of Centerville. So what happens then is that without coordinating um I
2:27:052 hours, 27 minutes, 5 secondsguess um sorry without coordinating policies that creates issues such as property gets developed under um high
2:27:132 hours, 27 minutes, 13 secondsdensity areas for the county but for the city it's low density. So then that creates uh issues whenever that land is
2:27:212 hours, 27 minutes, 21 secondsto be annexed because the whole purpose of this was at some point that orange area the urban growth boundary becomes part of the city limits of centerville
2:27:282 hours, 27 minutes, 28 secondsand it's served by our infrastructure uh that we have. So, what I would like to propose to you guys while y'all are
2:27:362 hours, 27 minutes, 36 secondsdoing your land use plan is to kind of mesh the zoning districts that you have in the county and create some like
2:27:432 hours, 27 minutes, 43 secondssimilar to the R1 and R2 that are only specific to the plan growth area. I would like you guys to consider creating districts that are specific to our urban
2:27:522 hours, 27 minutes, 52 secondsgrowth boundary. Say um you can have 10,000 square foot lots. I know that sounds super small to you guys, but a
2:27:582 hours, 27 minutes, 58 secondssewer serves that area. It's um actually not smallest lot that our zoning ordinance allows. So at a time when the
2:28:062 hours, 28 minutes, 6 secondsproperty is hopefully annexed into the city if and when those subdivisions mesh together and they become more harmonious, they don't just you don't
2:28:142 hours, 28 minutes, 14 secondssee subdivisions happening within subdivisions because if you have subdivisions that are all one acre and they're not, you know, developed and
2:28:212 hours, 28 minutes, 21 secondsthen you come in and center annexes that property, then that they can then create subdivisions within that subdivision. So there's just issues that create. So
2:28:312 hours, 28 minutes, 31 secondswithin the next one to two years, I'll say Senator will also be updating our land use transportation policy because they both expire in 2025, which is a loose term because they can be updated.
2:28:412 hours, 28 minutes, 41 secondsYou don't have to scrap the document.
2:28:432 hours, 28 minutes, 43 secondsThey're not milk. But um so that is why I am here tonight in hopes that you guys will consider that or create some language within this zoning ordinance
2:28:522 hours, 28 minutes, 52 secondsthat um maybe allows for you guys to come in and say, "Hey, when Centerville creates their land use policy, we're
2:29:002 hours, 29 minutesgoing to come in and create some new zoning districts. let them do the leg work and us provide that zoning information to you so you don't have to
2:29:072 hours, 29 minutes, 7 secondsspend any more money and then vote on it and uh make that actually part of your zoning ordinance. Um so that's kind of
2:29:162 hours, 29 minutes, 16 secondswhy I'm here. I know that in the past and county have not always worked together very well, but I'm hoping to
2:29:232 hours, 29 minutes, 23 secondschange that. And um that's kind of all I've got to say. I appreciate you guys' time. And if you have any questions for
2:29:302 hours, 29 minutes, 30 secondsme, I'm I'm happy to answer them. Um, I do want to make a note that if you guys
2:29:372 hours, 29 minutes, 37 secondsadopt your policy, we do not have to necessarily abide by that policy with that that urban growth
2:29:442 hours, 29 minutes, 44 secondsboundary. Um, un if you bring it to your legislative body, it becomes a law like your zoning ordinance. Now, we would
2:29:522 hours, 29 minutes, 52 secondslike for us both to adopt each other's zoning policy. That would make things so much easier. But Centerville cannot
2:29:592 hours, 29 minutes, 59 secondsadopt your land use plan how it is because with how you've got um it laid out in the urban growth boundary, you've
2:30:072 hours, 30 minutes, 7 secondsgot one acre of lots which then creates issues for our infrastructure and our sewer policies. So it doesn't make sense at some point later down the road for
2:30:152 hours, 30 minutes, 15 secondsour sewer to come in when there are sewer systems, individual sewer systems or alternate sewer systems. It just doesn't make sense moneywise for our infrastructure to expand in those areas.
2:30:252 hours, 30 minutes, 25 secondsSo it becomes undesirable and it actually makes the land underutilized as far as the city is concerned. Um so that
2:30:352 hours, 30 minutes, 35 secondsis uh what I hope you guys will consider and if you do decide to do that then we could also adopt your growth plan. You
2:30:432 hours, 30 minutes, 43 secondscould send it to our municipal body and we could adopt your plan. we get in our plan to yours and then it becomes law for Centerville and Hickman County as a
2:30:512 hours, 30 minutes, 51 secondswhole and we are working together for one goal instead of um our own agendas
2:30:572 hours, 30 minutes, 57 secondswhich don't always mesh. U and you might have said this and I missed it. Um
2:31:052 hours, 31 minutes, 5 secondsuh has the city updated theirs? We have not. Ours is we do we are in need of updating it and we are going to go after some grants to do so. We just haven't
2:31:142 hours, 31 minutes, 14 secondsdone that yet. Sure. But we anticipate to do that within the next one to two years. But of course, we've got to do a study and um follow the process similar to what you guys have just followed.
2:31:232 hours, 31 minutes, 23 secondsSure. Gotcha.
2:31:262 hours, 31 minutes, 26 secondsMr. Clark, this is for the professional planner inside of the urban growth boundary.
2:31:332 hours, 31 minutes, 33 secondsWho determines subdivision rags and zoning changes? The city would. We would we have planning jurisdiction within
2:31:392 hours, 31 minutes, 39 secondsthat area, but it does have to go any but I wanted that and I mean to touch on that. Um any zoning change would have to
2:31:482 hours, 31 minutes, 48 secondsand I don't it probably has never been done this way but the proper avenue of it being done would be if it falls within that urban growth boundary and somebody wants to reszone their property
2:31:572 hours, 31 minutes, 57 secondsor subdivided. It needs to come to the central municipal regional planning commission and if they recommend it or not recommend it, it has to go to the
2:32:042 hours, 32 minutes, 4 secondscounty's legislative body for final approval. Now, that is only on the zoning change. As far as subdivision, we
2:32:122 hours, 32 minutes, 12 secondshave complete say over subdivision development. However, we do have to um create our subdivisions to your minimum lot standards, which is the issue
2:32:212 hours, 32 minutes, 21 secondsbecause your 1acre lots is a lot bigger if it's served by public sewer than what we would serve for our sewer. Josie is
2:32:302 hours, 32 minutes, 30 secondsthe roads is the the subdivisions u that the city would that have to be designed to county roads have because I know that
2:32:392 hours, 32 minutes, 39 secondsthat's a that's a big thing um and I do want to make a note a lot of this information of working with the city and
2:32:462 hours, 32 minutes, 46 secondsum for protections for the urban growth boundary is written in your current plan all this is I just want to see it transferred to the new plan because I
2:32:552 hours, 32 minutes, 55 secondshave not seen that in the document and it may just be in appendix A because I have not seen seen a copy of appendix A.
2:33:002 hours, 33 minutesI don't know if that's been released to the public. Um, I have seen some of your zoning recommendations, but it nothing to do with the city. So,
2:33:082 hours, 33 minutes, 8 secondsthat's what I'm here to do to kind of add that what you already have into the new document as well and make sure that that happens. And hopefully we can
2:33:172 hours, 33 minutes, 17 secondsactually get together and coordinate like it was intended to do so 20 years ago and they never did. Well, and and I I'll say this and this some of this is for the for our new director.
2:33:272 hours, 33 minutes, 27 secondsin the past in this area for a zoning change. They've just come they've come to us. Yes. It's not been the proper
2:33:352 hours, 33 minutes, 35 secondsprocedure and and we've been advised to just keep operating as normal, but we we're we're technically those and and
2:33:442 hours, 33 minutes, 44 secondsthe issue then becomes those zonings are technically illegal. So, I mean, if there was ever an issue, it it was the
2:33:502 hours, 33 minutes, 50 secondswrong procedure. I mean, so it's I I mean, I feel pretty confident that we'll I mean, we'll get on the same page. Oh,
2:33:582 hours, 33 minutes, 58 secondsthat makes sense. I mean, it's there. I mean, we probably need to have some discussions because it's um you know, it's lot size. You brought
2:34:062 hours, 34 minutes, 6 secondsup the sewer, you know, probably a lot of the questions if Senator Bull can handle the, you know, right? And we are getting to a point I know that there's
2:34:132 hours, 34 minutes, 13 secondsbeen a moratorum and I'm not over the sewer district so don't shoot the messenger but we are getting close to a point where that is going to resolve
2:34:212 hours, 34 minutes, 21 secondsitself. Um and Tekk will hopefully lift that moratorum.
2:34:262 hours, 34 minutes, 26 secondsI'm not going to put a timeline on that because I don't know and I don't want to be told said this. Um but yes, we hope
2:34:352 hours, 34 minutes, 35 secondsthat when we do get to that point where we lift the moratorum that we can expand infrastructure and then hopefully if a property owner does want to be in the
2:34:432 hours, 34 minutes, 43 secondscity and does want city services, they can come before the legislative body because that's the process you have to do and say, "Hey, we want to be annexed into the city." And the city will be
2:34:512 hours, 34 minutes, 51 secondsable to provide that um and expand that infrastructure. But if you go in and put sewer systems on 1acre lots and develop subdivisions in these areas, it just
2:34:592 hours, 34 minutes, 59 secondsdoesn't make sense for us to develop the sewer in that area because at that point it becomes I mean underutilized and the money is just not going to be there to
2:35:082 hours, 35 minutes, 8 secondsbring the sewer to those areas. The whole point of this goal is for that property to at one point be annexed. Um
2:35:152 hours, 35 minutes, 15 secondsand so we want to protect that area as far as you guys are concerned and let us develop that area for our plan. I'm not
2:35:212 hours, 35 minutes, 21 secondsasking for anything extra, just what we already have the planning authority to decide and work together with Clark.
2:35:292 hours, 35 minutes, 29 secondsWell, the R2 is our densest. Yes. And it is still bigger than our Yes. Which is
2:35:382 hours, 35 minutes, 38 secondswhere it comes. I'm just thinking on how on how to do this is is the I I wouldn't
2:35:442 hours, 35 minutes, 44 secondswant a situation the where R2 means something different in the urban growth boundary than it does in the planned
2:35:512 hours, 35 minutes, 51 secondsgrowth area at the other end of the county. Right. So what's the what's the Drew here? What's the
2:36:002 hours, 36 minutespossibility of developing something unique just for the urban growth? Call it urban one. You can put it in there as
2:36:082 hours, 36 minutes, 8 secondsspecific much like you have the other one, the R2, I believe, specific to only the planned growth area. Um, this one could be specific to the urban growth
2:36:162 hours, 36 minutes, 16 secondsboundary. So, they couldn't even apply for the zoning even if you called it if you called it R3. They couldn't even apply for it if they didn't fall within that urban growth boundary, much like
2:36:252 hours, 36 minutes, 25 secondsthey can't apply for the R2 unless they are in that plane growth area. The difference is the urban growth boundary is the cities and the plane growth area is for the county, but they're
2:36:332 hours, 36 minutes, 33 secondsessentially kind of the same. Um, but you could create a unique um, set of zoning districts and label them however you like and they could align with ours.
2:36:432 hours, 36 minutes, 43 secondsYou could use ours or we could create some new ones as well.
2:36:492 hours, 36 minutes, 49 secondsI'm just trying to think how going forward it' be the the simplest. Um, I think personally,
2:36:572 hours, 36 minutes, 57 secondsif you would like my opinion on the easiest way to do that would be to when we get into our growth plan, have us
2:37:042 hours, 37 minutes, 4 secondswrite some new districts descriptions and recommend it to the county commission um for you guys to adopt and let us do the leg work on that and spend
2:37:122 hours, 37 minutes, 12 secondsthe money on that and say, "Hey," and then you can tweak it when you get to this point. Um, or you could create them
2:37:182 hours, 37 minutes, 18 secondsyourselves and or Yeah. Either way, I'd rather y'all do it. Yeah, we do. It's kind of like buying cars. That's never
2:37:272 hours, 37 minutes, 27 secondsgoing to work out good, right? And I mean, it would be something that the city would it would be unique to us. So, we could totally undergo that. Um, we
2:37:352 hours, 37 minutes, 35 secondsjust would like your consideration at this time while you're doing your zoning district. But I also would like to say um
2:37:432 hours, 37 minutes, 43 secondsif currently before we do that, you allow for those 1acre subdivisions in that area, that yellow area, it really should be looked at in the way that your
2:37:512 hours, 37 minutes, 51 secondsprevious document has as royal planned and should remain largely undeveloped until the city decides to develop it per
2:37:592 hours, 37 minutes, 59 secondsCenterville's policy. So that is going to create an issue if you leave that area within your suburban district right
2:38:052 hours, 38 minutes, 5 secondsnow. And that's why I'm here. Um hopefully you can maybe color that in green or create a whole new area for it
2:38:132 hours, 38 minutes, 13 secondsor just leave it out completely. Well, you can't leave it out completely because you do still have this the zoning authority over it and we ain't it. But do something different.
2:38:242 hours, 38 minutes, 24 secondsJesse, when are y'all going to start on yours? Um we haven't got a deadline on it. We've still got to go after the grants. That's why I said within the next one to two years. Um we just
2:38:322 hours, 38 minutes, 32 secondsfinished our budget season this year. So we're going to try to work it into next budget. But of course there's an election and we'll have a different mayor. So
2:38:402 hours, 38 minutes, 40 secondsum that's going to come into play as well. Sure.
2:38:492 hours, 38 minutes, 49 secondsAnybody else?
2:38:522 hours, 38 minutes, 52 secondsClaude, if I may. Yeah, Josie, the the intent is certainly not to create
2:38:582 hours, 38 minutes, 58 secondsheadaches or conflict at all. So I Claude, I might recommend that um maybe
2:39:052 hours, 39 minutes, 5 secondsJosie and Austin kind of talk to our team and then we can when we come back next time I have present the the
2:39:132 hours, 39 minutes, 13 secondspreferred resolution. Okay. Is if that works for me.
2:39:202 hours, 39 minutes, 20 secondsUm but so everybody's clear that no matter what comes out of that meeting and that doesn't sound like a bad idea.
2:39:302 hours, 39 minutes, 30 secondsDo you think the town is going to start living up to their side of this obligation on a regular basis be?
2:39:372 hours, 39 minutes, 37 secondsBecause I don't want to make those decision. I cannot speak for any other department or elected official. So I
2:39:432 hours, 39 minutes, 43 secondswant to make that clear. But I being I I worked in the planning and zoning office for county for six years. A lot of you guys know that. So I know a lot of you
2:39:522 hours, 39 minutes, 52 secondsguys' regulations. I came over to the city. Um I know the cities. So I'm experiencing both. And I would much like to work together in the future. I mean
2:40:002 hours, 40 minutesnow I will say if we create a land use plan and if you guys create a land use plan and we both adopt each others that
2:40:082 hours, 40 minutes, 8 secondsbecomes law we don't have an option to not work with you at that point but right now say you create this land
2:40:162 hours, 40 minutes, 16 secondsuse plan and we don't want anything to do with it because it doesn't match you would have to send it to our legislative body and they would have to
2:40:232 hours, 40 minutes, 23 secondsvote it through yes we're going to follow it for us to even follow it anyways. So,
2:40:302 hours, 40 minutes, 30 secondsI'm thinking of the individuals. You're you're thinking the overall deal and I'm thinking on individuals as far as
2:40:372 hours, 40 minutes, 37 secondssomebody comes in and asks for the zoning change.
2:40:412 hours, 40 minutes, 41 secondsY'all, you the town of Centerville will need to weigh in on that. We have to. We It comes to our planning commission instead of coming to your planning
2:40:492 hours, 40 minutes, 49 secondscommission and you guys recommending or not recommending it. It should come to the Centerville Municipal Regional Planning Commission and us recommend it
2:40:572 hours, 40 minutes, 57 secondsor not recommend it to y'all. Now, you do have the final say to the county commission based off of the county's zoning ordinance and the county's road
2:41:052 hours, 41 minutes, 5 secondsstandards. So, it gets confusing, but um and you guys could say we don't want it.
2:41:122 hours, 41 minutes, 12 secondsNo, whatever. It just makes things a whole lot harder at that point if we don't want to work together. Um, and
2:41:202 hours, 41 minutes, 20 secondsyour subdivision rags are going our subdivision rags go with it anyways.
2:41:242 hours, 41 minutes, 24 secondsRegardless, every subdivision comes for Centerville's planning commission.
2:41:282 hours, 41 minutes, 28 secondsHowever, like I said, we have to go by your minimum lot standards. So, it creates issues at that point. Um, so
2:41:362 hours, 41 minutes, 36 secondsy'all don't have any say over the subdivision rates. We just have to develop it per your county zoning ordinance as long as as long as it is still county property and not annexed.
2:41:472 hours, 41 minutes, 47 secondsUm, yeah. Everything we're talking about right now is outside the city limit within the urban grow in orange in that orange area. Um, and there used to be a donut hole in it, but it's not anymore.
2:41:582 hours, 41 minutes, 58 secondsIt's all together. How did it disappear?
2:42:012 hours, 42 minutes, 1 secondIt was there when we did ours and we developed this blue corner up here. How did what disappear? The donut hole. Oh, I have the document to prove that or to
2:42:092 hours, 42 minutes, 9 secondsshow you. I know it I know it's gone, but that it um when y'all hang on, let me find it. I'll show you exactly how it disappeared. Um, is this is the whole
2:42:182 hours, 42 minutes, 18 secondsdocument that the they have for our whole growth plan.
2:42:242 hours, 42 minutes, 24 secondsWhen they amended it, when they amended the original growth plan, which remember our original growth plan was done in 2006, it was just the urban growth boundary.
2:42:332 hours, 42 minutes, 33 secondsSo when they amended it later, they added the blue area. So when they added that blue area, they also disappeared
2:42:402 hours, 42 minutes, 40 secondsthe government. Um so but there's a document in here that states what was amended. Um
2:42:472 hours, 42 minutes, 47 secondsYeah, sorry for the language there, but uh here it tells you the addition to the plan growth area. This is what it amended. It
2:42:562 hours, 42 minutes, 56 secondsadded um Centerville's plan growth area, which was that donut hole you saw. And then it added Hickman Countyy's entire square. It so that's um the original map
2:43:062 hours, 43 minutes, 6 secondslooked like this.
2:43:112 hours, 43 minutes, 11 secondsThis was the original growth plan and there's the donut hole that you're talking about. And when they changed it, they took that down hole out and they added this blue area on the side.
2:43:222 hours, 43 minutes, 22 secondsThis is the growth plan. I mean, uh, this is the growth plan. I think they said there's documents to go with it. It's not. It's this and then this back.
2:43:302 hours, 43 minutes, 30 secondsUm, that is the land use plan. So, your document is not actually changing the growth area because you have to call it coordinating committee back together.
2:43:382 hours, 43 minutes, 38 secondsIt's just a document that you use together.
2:43:422 hours, 43 minutes, 42 secondsI was just trying to keep straight in my mind when that donut home. Yeah. 2006 or 200. Yeah. Six. Um it says on the top
2:43:522 hours, 43 minutes, 52 secondsof the map right here. So when we did when we did the blue corner the same action took care of the same time cuz that was an embarrassment
2:44:012 hours, 44 minutes, 1 secondanytime anybody. Yes. It was very um but anyways that is uh all I'm here asking. Hopefully, we can get forward on
2:44:102 hours, 44 minutes, 10 secondsthe right foot and you and I, y'all's planning commission, our planning commission can work together the way that it was intended to be because in in
2:44:182 hours, 44 minutes, 18 secondsyour document, it says that that's what was supposed to happen and outlines the issues that were even 20 years ago,
2:44:252 hours, 44 minutes, 25 secondsthey're the same issues um because they never really did what was recommended.
2:44:302 hours, 44 minutes, 30 secondsWell, elections do change things. Plan of commissions change, people change, and but no, I think I think we need to.
2:44:372 hours, 44 minutes, 37 secondsAny other questions? I would like to say just one more thing.
2:44:432 hours, 44 minutes, 43 secondsI'm going to take off my city hat and put on my citizen hat. I would like to say there was a lot of people upset about the five acres. You look at your
2:44:512 hours, 44 minutes, 51 secondscurrent land use plan like you've quoted, there is a family subdivision exemption for that. Um, and they actually recommended that to be done back then, too. So, you might want to
2:44:592 hours, 44 minutes, 59 secondstake a look at it. It's on towards the end of this book. um that might be a solution to you guys's issues with that.
2:45:062 hours, 45 minutes, 6 secondsBut that's all I have to say. Thank you for your time and I look forward to trying to work together with you guys.
2:45:122 hours, 45 minutes, 12 secondsAll right. Uh moving on. We're getting closer. Ladies and gentlemen, we're getting closer. E resolution 25-23.
2:45:222 hours, 45 minutes, 22 secondsAnd I may probably am not the expert to speak on this uh but there was uh weight requirements on vehicles u to be used.
2:45:332 hours, 45 minutes, 33 secondsWell, y'all can read the resolution through there. Uh but uh what what this basically is going to do uh this has to
2:45:422 hours, 45 minutes, 42 secondsdo with u the home occupi the home occupations.
2:45:472 hours, 45 minutes, 47 secondsUh this is going to give the BZA just it's going to be up to them. Uh and
2:45:542 hours, 45 minutes, 54 secondsand they're they're going to need they're going to have to ask more questions, but it's it's it's going to it's going to put more on the Mr. Nash.
2:46:012 hours, 46 minutes, 1 secondSo, uh several months ago, we we we this body uh debated it and passed it. the
2:46:082 hours, 46 minutes, 8 secondscounty court debated it and passed it and we were just we were trying to broaden some of the opportunities in A1
2:46:162 hours, 46 minutes, 16 secondsfor these home occupancy type businesses. Um and so we again the BCA just kind of opened it the window up for
2:46:242 hours, 46 minutes, 24 secondsthem to evaluate some things. What we did found out was there was a some specific weight requirements
2:46:322 hours, 46 minutes, 32 secondsthat were stated and and so that that that eclipse some things just like the square footage would or just like the
2:46:392 hours, 46 minutes, 39 secondsthe uh number of family employees were would. So, uh, and so I went back and looked at this and what we've done is
2:46:472 hours, 46 minutes, 47 secondswe've taken out the, uh, the the sentences and the references to some
2:46:552 hours, 46 minutes, 55 secondsgross vehicle weight because even that gross vehicle weight may work perfectly on one road, but it would be ridiculous
2:47:032 hours, 47 minutes, 3 secondson another road. Now, I'm going to use this as my example. In my district, there's a there's a road called New Doo Hope Road
2:47:102 hours, 47 minutes, 10 secondsto Doo Hope Road to the north of Highway 100 is a 50 foot class A code A asphalt
2:47:192 hours, 47 minutes, 19 secondsroad. You could probably put any home business you want up through there. It's not going to be a big deal.
2:47:272 hours, 47 minutes, 27 secondsNew Hope Road to the south of Highway 100 is a dirt road, a D- road with a 16 foot rideway.
2:47:372 hours, 47 minutes, 37 secondsProbably shouldn't want to put any home occupancy business on that irregardless of the weight. So what we did is we took
2:47:462 hours, 47 minutes, 46 secondsout that referencing to weight and and that sort of thing and we injected this this statement that said the board of zoning appeals shall determine that the
2:47:542 hours, 47 minutes, 54 secondscurrent roads providing access to the home occupation shall be of sufficient classification construction and rightaway. That way the
2:48:032 hours, 48 minutes, 3 secondsBCA which is there to make these these judgment calls they haven't got pigeon holed because of again
2:48:132 hours, 48 minutes, 13 seconds11 I think it was 11,000 I can't believe it was but 11,000bs may be good on on some roads but it would even that
2:48:202 hours, 48 minutes, 20 secondsclassification would not be right. So this just gives that BCA more wiggle room to make the decisions based on the
2:48:282 hours, 48 minutes, 28 secondsthe specifics of the application that they're considering.
2:48:322 hours, 48 minutes, 32 secondsAnd I'm I I encourage you to vote for this and send it to county commission for them to uh take on. Okay.
2:48:402 hours, 48 minutes, 40 secondsDiscussion.
2:48:482 hours, 48 minutes, 48 secondsAll right. Then make a motion to approve. Okay. Second
2:48:562 hours, 48 minutes, 56 secondsBo and Maddox. There's that one. All right, we could have a vote, please.
2:49:032 hours, 49 minutes, 3 secondsMa'am, William Mayberry, yes. Jeff Church, yes.
2:49:092 hours, 49 minutes, 9 secondsTony Taylor, yes. Tommy Cats, yes. Danny Clark, yes. Eddie Boon, yes.
2:49:182 hours, 49 minutes, 18 secondsBill Lane, yes. Jason Carter, yes. Cal, yes. Keith Nash, yes. Andy Max.
2:49:282 hours, 49 minutes, 28 secondsYes. Anyone wish to change? 11. Yes.
2:49:372 hours, 49 minutes, 37 secondsMove on to the county commission. Okay. Uh is there any more new business?
2:49:472 hours, 49 minutes, 47 secondsOkay. Next up is chairperson, director, and planner reports. Um the the only
2:49:542 hours, 49 minutes, 54 secondsthing that I have is I want to make sure uh cuz it's been a long night that we get everything
2:50:022 hours, 50 minutes, 2 secondstaken care of. Uh and I'm going start from the back and go to the front. If we can make sure this resolution gets to
2:50:112 hours, 50 minutes, 11 secondsuh on the agenda for the county commission meeting in July. It'll have its first hearing reading there.
2:50:232 hours, 50 minutes, 23 secondsSo maybe with the mayor's assistant help make sure that gets done. Appreciate that. Uh the next thing is uh the the
2:50:302 hours, 50 minutes, 30 secondslatest draft of the land use plan if we can make that sure that that goes on the um on the website and the appendix as well.
2:50:432 hours, 50 minutes, 43 secondsNo, the appendix has got there there's it's it's got it's it's got to be worked on. It's it's uh uh our new director
2:50:522 hours, 50 minutes, 52 secondsplanner at Gish Smith. They're going to go through and and iron out the the the holes in that one before that one before
2:50:592 hours, 50 minutes, 59 secondswe see that one. So, um is there was there am I missing something? Y'all help me with this. Am I missing something
2:51:062 hours, 51 minutes, 6 secondsthat needs to be put on the website or needs to go Okay.
2:51:152 hours, 51 minutes, 15 secondsAll right. U and um
2:51:232 hours, 51 minutes, 23 secondswe we wish our new director a a very uh educational first month. So, welcome to the fund.
2:51:342 hours, 51 minutes, 34 secondsUh I guess I guess that's it. Uh Amanda, do you have anything? I do not. Okay. All right. Austin, do you have anything?
2:51:422 hours, 51 minutes, 42 secondsI do not have anything.
2:51:442 hours, 51 minutes, 44 secondsIt's amazing how everybody gets a little quiet around 911.
2:51:482 hours, 51 minutes, 48 secondsWe didn't hit 11:00. I'm a little disappointed. Hold on a minute.
2:51:562 hours, 51 minutes, 56 secondsSecond. We're jerk. Thank y'all. We're done.
2:52:042 hours, 52 minutes, 4 secondsYou're welcome.
2:52:082 hours, 52 minutes, 8 secondsfood and as they were as they were more