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7:037 minutes, 3 secondsI will call this meeting order P County planting commission special called meeting December the
7:107 minutes, 10 seconds9th discussing L's plan we can have a roll call please
7:177 minutes, 17 secondsstart will Mayberry pres Jeff church here Tony Tyler Tommy caps here Danny
7:267 minutes, 26 secondsClark Here Eddie Boone present Bill Lane here Jason Carter here CL calott here
7:367 minutes, 36 secondsKeith Nash here Andy madx here you do have a COR Mr chairman thank you sir um
7:457 minutes, 45 secondsnext on the agenda that is uh public comment period And I will remind everybody that this since this is
7:527 minutes, 52 secondsa special called meeting uh no other business can be discussed besides the pl you plan
8:008 minutesum I mean I think this is going to be pretty informal meeting but if anybody wishes I didn't get a notepad out there I apologize if anybody wishes to speak
8:098 minutes, 9 secondsnow take those okay all right and then we will
8:178 minutes, 17 secondsmove on um and uh if there's uh before I turn it over to Drew um um in in his
8:268 minutes, 26 secondsgroup is there is there any uh any comments that needs to be come from the uh Planning Commission anybody
8:358 minutes, 35 secondsis there anything anybody like to say before they get started all
8:448 minutes, 44 secondsright and uh yeah so everybody's got our hand out um if you didn't get one um
8:518 minutes, 51 secondsjust grab Miles and we'll make sure you have one we'll just kind of be following along with this so that everybody can see what I'm talking about uh before we
8:588 minutes, 58 secondsget started I do want to say uh just really on behalf of the project team how much we appreciated um everybody's help
9:069 minutes, 6 secondsand assistance and Guidance with that round of public Outreach and engagement um I thought the attendance at our meetings was was great um we've
9:159 minutes, 15 secondscertainly done these before where the attendance is not so great and we don't get really good input um so really appreciate not only everybody getting
9:229 minutes, 22 secondsthe word out about the inperson workshops but also the online tool um we have really good feedback on both of them um for for a community of this size
9:319 minutes, 31 secondsthe the amount of responsiveness that we got was was great so I think it was successful uh not only from a numbers
9:399 minutes, 39 secondsperspective but also um you know from the the input that we were able to get from everybody um so going to kind of
9:469 minutes, 46 secondsflip through if you'll go to the agenda today I do want to spend a few minutes talking about what we heard uh this is by no means exhausted necessarily but
9:559 minutes, 55 secondsit's kind of a high level uh readout of the input that we got but kind of walk you through the key findings I also want to briefly touch on um the suitability
10:0410 minutes, 4 secondsanalysis that we did um based on some of the data that was provided um and then what I want to spend most of the time today talking about um are these uh or
10:1310 minutes, 13 secondscourse to kick off the scenario analysis um what we'll be looking to do uh between now and by midle late January is
10:2110 minutes, 21 secondsto put together uh some place types that will uh populate these various scenarios so I want to talk about really what we want to tease out from the scenario
10:3010 minutes, 30 secondsanalysis and how we want to approach that we've got an example in there so if you flip to that already it is just an example we'll talk through that but
10:3810 minutes, 38 secondsfirst uh going on to the green title slide uh public engagement key findings if you flip along with me we've got some
10:4510 minutes, 45 secondssummary statistics from that so we had 431 uh total responses uh that were
10:5110 minutes, 51 secondsrecorded what that does not include are people who visited the website there were quite quite a few many more uh visits to the website then there were
11:0011 minutesfolks that recorded comments so I know that there were some people that got on look and maybe looked multiple times or didn't leave any input um and that also
11:0811 minutes, 8 secondsincludes only the recorded responses that we got back we also had uh as as many of you know really productive conversations with folks um at the
11:1611 minutes, 16 secondsworkshop on the interactive map we had 293 uh responses and 138 survey responses and just to give you an idea
11:2511 minutes, 25 secondsof who we heard from um some of the uh uh some of the survey information that we asked most of the participants I
11:3311 minutes, 33 secondsthink it was 47% um are longtime residents here so greater than 20 year tenure uh so we heard from a lot of longtime uh folks
11:4111 minutes, 41 secondsfrom Hitman County uh and nearly half of respondents both live and work here in the county um so again just to give you an idea of kind of who we were talking
11:4911 minutes, 49 secondsto um all right so I'll walk you through some of the stations if you flip to the next one um and these roughly correspond
11:5711 minutes, 57 secondsto the stations that we had under the workshop but one of the first things that we did was ask folks and as you all recall kind of what their favorite
12:0512 minutes, 5 secondsthings are about pcman County and what they feel are missing and again that's a very high level question um this is just kind of a simple word cloud that
12:1312 minutes, 13 secondsdistills that but under favorite you see a lot of things you see themes start to emerge that are going to really permeate
12:2012 minutes, 20 secondsthrough the remainder of the feedback that we got um in terms of in terms of favorite things people really value the rural community the small town life um
12:2912 minutes, 29 secondsand some of the natural resources among other things and when you look at things that are missing um I find this one a little bit more interesting some people
12:3612 minutes, 36 secondssaid growth is missing some people said nothing is missing um and a lot of the a lot of the missing things really had to
12:4412 minutes, 44 secondsdo with matters of convenience or local development so and certainly in some of our conversations with folks these were things like Community facilities and
12:5212 minutes, 52 secondsservices expanded opportunities for uh those uh types of activities also businesses particularly local businesses
12:5912 minutes, 59 secondsum opportunities for more local Commerce um as well as uh infrastructure things like sewer and the like um so again
13:0813 minutes, 8 secondsthat's just a high Lev kind of overview of what we heard we've got all of that recorded uh individually but I I think it I think it represents a theme that
13:1513 minutes, 15 secondsyou'll start to see emerge as we walk through this um so on the next uh public engagement uh station number two so on
13:2313 minutes, 23 secondsthis slide now um what you see here are uh really two kind of distillations of our DOT
13:3113 minutes, 31 secondsexercise so on the left you see a distillation and again this is a summary so this isn't all the dots we received it's just generally a summary um of
13:3913 minutes, 39 secondschange and preserve so one of the things that we asked people was okay assuming that change is going to happen over the next 20 years where are the areas that
13:4613 minutes, 46 secondsyou think that would be most appropriate and where are the areas that you'd really like to see preserved um and and you also see over on the right some of
13:5413 minutes, 54 secondsthose interactive map comments um in the orange are the Desir changes and over on the green or the uh places to preserve
14:0214 minutes, 2 secondsand you see a fairly consistent pattern here um and again this this held through really through most of the workshops
14:0914 minutes, 9 secondsthat we had I think all four of them um it it really reinforces the current development pattern of the County so I think people generally are comfortable
14:1714 minutes, 17 secondsuh or indicated a level of comfort with change in areas that are already experiencing growth B aqua and LS among them um there were also some uh you know
14:2714 minutes, 27 secondsopportunities for uh strategic growth like in The Interchange areas and then we also heard a little bit about some potential nodal development I'll talk
14:3514 minutes, 35 secondsmore about that in a minute um and some of these Crossroads areas and I think that really comes back to some of that more locally oriented uh you know local Commerce that
14:4414 minutes, 44 secondsI mentioned just a second ago um so if you'll turn over and I want to make sure I contextualize this one properly if you turn to the next one um what we did here
14:5314 minutes, 53 secondsthis is what we call Halo analysis and basically what we did is we divided the county just into these smaller geographies of roughly about 5 acres and
15:0215 minutes, 2 secondsassigned each one with a color based on the closest dot that the software could find so this is just another way to look
15:0915 minutes, 9 secondsat it so that you're not looking at individual uh dots you're actually looking at kind of what the closest one was and again you know obviously when
15:1715 minutes, 17 secondsyou get down here in kind of the Southwest part of the county there were fewer dots uh so the effect was more exaggerated but the general pattern was
15:2415 minutes, 24 secondswas basically the same um where a lot of the uh reinforcement of the current development Trends in Bon Aqua and in the Centerville area and like I
15:3315 minutes, 33 secondsmentioned before potential areas for new development or Redevelopment on The Interchange areas and some of that small scale commercial development and so
15:4115 minutes, 41 secondsagain that was just asking people generally where they would prefer to see change of preservation we dug down a little bit deeper on the next uh going on to
15:5015 minutes, 50 secondsstation number three here um this was that place types exercise again where we just use kind of General development forms that are already in the county to
15:5815 minutes, 58 secondsget a better idea of of where people would like to see these types of development patterns whether they exist there currently or they don't um and on
16:0616 minutes, 6 secondsthe right you can see that Halo analysis again this one I think's a little bit more Illuminating because we are asking um you know more detailed questions
16:1316 minutes, 13 secondsabout the type of development um and again you see this same pattern uh really holding firm uh just with a
16:2116 minutes, 21 secondslittle bit more detail on it um diversity of place types up in Bon Aqua um you know a lot more of the Town Center type development uh uh around the
16:3016 minutes, 30 secondscille area rural residential over in the Eastern County uh and then this rural pastoral really everywhere else see the
16:3816 minutes, 38 secondshighway retail up along the uh up along those interchange areas um flipping into the next one when we ask people also
16:4616 minutes, 46 secondswhich ones that they which which place types or development types that they liked um people generally liked and and these were I think pretty high levels of
16:5616 minutes, 56 secondsof like versus dislike uh Town Center uh The Limited retail Hub uh rural pastoral and Rural residential people I think
17:0317 minutes, 3 secondswere a little bit more skeptical about the highway scaled commercial and I think think a little that might had to do with the picture we chose um and then
17:1117 minutes, 11 secondsthe Suburban living kind of that scaled residential development um generally people were were not fans of that and
17:1717 minutes, 17 secondsdidn't uh that that one was pretty low miles I think so again uh reinforcement of
17:2417 minutes, 24 secondscurrent commercial development Trends um a preference for additional housing opportunities in one of the retail in key areas um and again hesitation
17:3317 minutes, 33 secondsconcerning Suburban style housing development scale so moving on to station number
17:4017 minutes, 40 secondsfour here uh this is the one that we added your suggestion and I I think it's really Illuminating um where we just ask people
17:4917 minutes, 49 secondsvery open-ended you know what would you like to see in these parts of the county um and I've got the red the red circle
17:5817 minutes, 58 secondsand the green Circle there on the side because uh these two rows generally correspond with where people on the dot
18:0618 minutes, 6 secondsexercise uh wanted to see or or were comfortable I should say with change and where people would prefer to see preservation and again when we do this
18:1418 minutes, 14 secondsuh this word density exercise you see this uh holding firm so bonaa lles and cville um a lot of the feedback that we
18:2218 minutes, 22 secondsgot um in terms of what people would like to see in the future uh generally corresponded with what you would consider to be additional development or
18:2918 minutes, 29 secondsadditional growth opportunities and when you go down to n dunk River and Pleasant View those three communities um you see
18:3618 minutes, 36 secondsnothing farming Community Rural and a general preference for that uh for those areas remaining uh rural as they are now
18:4518 minutes, 45 secondsuh people really didn't want to see much change there and again that held firm across uh across our four um workshops
18:5518 minutes, 55 secondsand and the feedback that we got online um so if you'll flip over to other observations and then I'll pause for
19:0319 minutes, 3 secondsdiscussions or questions um one thing that recognized I mentioned that you know a lot of the feedback that we got were from longtime uh hicky County
19:1219 minutes, 12 secondsresidents who both live and work here some of the conversations that we had particularly with some of the younger individuals that came to the workshops
19:1919 minutes, 19 secondsum was a concern about the need for additional housing so you know as people continue to move into the county even if it's at a relatively low rate you're
19:2819 minutes, 28 secondsstill going to see household split as younger folks you know turn 18 and go off to school or get a job and move out
19:3619 minutes, 36 secondsof their parents house and are looking for an opportunity to start their own household so how do we balance that need of or how do we balance that that
19:4319 minutes, 43 secondsGeneral preference uh for preservation uh conservation with the need to try to boost the housing Supply not only for
19:5219 minutes, 52 secondsfolks that might be moving into the county but also folks that currently live here that later on will need to look at renting or purch puring a property um another thing that came
20:0120 minutes, 1 secondthrough uh in our comments uh on the survey and also in our in our conversations with folks preservation of
20:0820 minutes, 8 secondsNatural Resources was a huge topic and I know that that's been a huge topic um in the community here in recent months um water resources and farmland were two
20:1620 minutes, 16 secondsthings that we heard pretty loud and clear from folks that they wanted to see uh uh preservation um another trade-off that
20:2420 minutes, 24 secondswe saw was convenience in the trade-offs of Ral lifestyle so a lot of the folks that we talked to and of the um comments that we got you know I think people
20:3120 minutes, 31 secondschoose to live in a rural community part of the trade-off of doing that is that you got to drive a little bit further uh for conveniences like grocery stores and
20:3920 minutes, 39 secondsand that is just a a fact of life of living in a in a more rural community but also uh you know are there areas
20:4720 minutes, 47 secondswhere we can look at uh more convenient business offerings and in my view I think that really goes back to uh some of that small scale uh more locally
20:5520 minutes, 55 secondsoriented uh business activity that uh talked about earlier um another thing that we heard about was just improved or
21:0221 minutes, 2 secondsexpanded Community facilities um Parks uh you know recreation centers and the like um and then underlying all of this
21:1221 minutes, 12 secondsand um I'll get to this when we talk about scenario San analysis are the infrastructure constraints so obviously
21:1921 minutes, 19 secondsum sewer and water availability at the end of the day is going to determine where a lot of this growth occurs particularly anything at scale um in in
21:2721 minutes, 27 secondsour conversation with people uh I think most folks really seem to understand that
21:3421 minutes, 34 secondsso again that's kind of a that's kind of a a quick 30,000 foot view of what we heard from people um I want to pause and
21:4321 minutes, 43 secondsbefore I move into uh talking about the next phase of the project um I want to pause and see if that's generally
21:5021 minutes, 50 secondsconsistent with what you all heard in your conversations or if there are any other uh things that came up that you wanted to talk about in terms of the
21:5921 minutes, 59 secondspublic engagement specifically Will C yes sir the on the like this all does
22:0822 minutes, 8 secondsthe size of the word have an indication of it does the bigger the word the more input there was on the that okay yeah so if they're larger that's that's a word
22:1722 minutes, 17 secondsthat came up a lot more free and you know it it it is free of context when you're just looking at word
22:2522 minutes, 25 secondsdensity but based on our review of the comments I I think it's pretty consistent with the spirit of the input that we got
22:4122 minutes, 41 secondsto right so the next thing that we did uh so moving on to suitability key findings and again if if anybody has any
22:5022 minutes, 50 secondsquestions or observations about public engagement happy to come back to that um what we did with our suitability
22:5722 minutes, 57 secondsanalysis so so you know I mentioned uh during our public workshops that going into the scenario analysis we really have two different data points right so
23:0523 minutes, 5 secondswe've got the you know the preference that's been expressed uh from the folks that have interacted uh with either our
23:1223 minutes, 12 secondspublic workshops or online tool but then we also have the data that we've collected uh and what some of those
23:1923 minutes, 19 secondsconstraints are so on the map here and again I'm I'm on this what we have here is that same grid that I talked about so I want to emphasize that this is not
23:2723 minutes, 27 secondspartial based B um given the difference in parcel sizes we wanted to kind of compare apples to apples so we just divided the county up into these smaller
23:3623 minutes, 36 secondsgeographies just so it didn't it didn't look goofy which it can when you have a lot of large Parcels but what we did here was we created a scoring uh
23:4523 minutes, 45 secondsmechanism to look at Land suitability Based on physical constraints and Market factors and so some of the physical constraints that we looked at were steep
23:5423 minutes, 54 secondsslopes and specifically looking at uh topography that's an excess of about a 15% uh change in in slope so these are
24:0224 minutes, 2 secondsthe steeper areas that where where you're going to have a little bit more difficulty building anything other than maybe a single family residence um we
24:0924 minutes, 9 secondsalso looked at flood planes uh in public lands including railroad ride of way um we looked at infrastructure uh water and
24:1624 minutes, 16 secondssewer um also uh proximity to primary and secondary roads uh public facilities and services and and really what I mean by that or places where you have schools
24:2524 minutes, 25 secondsor Parks places where you already have some density of De velopment that tends to invite more development um and then some of the other things that we looked
24:3224 minutes, 32 secondsat were existing development patterns uh specifically uh land that's currently in a residential use we assume that that will remain in a residential use
24:4124 minutes, 41 secondsregardless of uh of uh where this where the plan ends up and also Farmland so we
24:4724 minutes, 47 secondslooked at uh Prime agricultural soils and land that's currently in farming production and when we when we took an
24:5524 minutes, 55 secondsinitial pass at this the pattern that you see on the map here where you see the darker uh colors that's land that
25:0325 minutes, 3 secondsagain based on these inputs purely um or or the dark colors are where you would likely have a higher propensity for
25:1125 minutes, 11 secondsdevelopment and as you get into these lighter colors or even the white colors uh that's land that probably would would not be as compelling from a market
25:1925 minutes, 19 secondsperspective for development um and again this reinforces the the general pattern that we're already seeing uh that you
25:2725 minutes, 27 secondsknow areas where you already have development where you already have infrastructure uh also probably benefit from a lack of some of these hard
25:3525 minutes, 35 secondsphysical constraints like steep slopes like flood planes and so we see a reinforcement of that pattern um again
25:4225 minutes, 42 secondsyou know you can see uh along some of the linear linear roadway facilities you know that pops up and that's likely due
25:4925 minutes, 49 secondsto just being flatter uh and located along the roadway but uh you know I I would caution uh anyone from really
25:5725 minutes, 57 secondslooking too closely at one specific area or another here um the purpose of this is to uh give us another data point to
26:0526 minutes, 5 secondslook at in addition to the public input and as we go into the scenario uh development phase we are going to use again just these General factors of
26:1426 minutes, 14 secondssuitability uh to determine where development is more or less likely um so
26:1926 minutes, 19 secondsany questions about the suitability analysis yes sir you mentioned that if
26:2926 minutes, 29 secondsit's residential you foresee it stay in residential so that's what's given some higher scores around the
26:3826 minutes, 38 secondsroadway it it it it is I think the the roadway scores probably have more to do with the fact that it's flat out of a flood plane and alongside a major road
26:4726 minutes, 47 secondsif a par so if a if the land area in that specific geography is currently of a residential use it would actually get
26:5526 minutes, 55 secondsa lower score um so it would it would would lower the score slightly um relative to some of the other uh inputs
27:0327 minutes, 3 secondsum because again when we go uh when we go forward we assume that you know if you have a parcel that's a single family house it's going to be a single family
27:1127 minutes, 11 secondshouse in perpetuity now that certainly I suppose could change but from a future Landes planning perspective we assume that you know if a parcel's in
27:1927 minutes, 19 secondsresidential use that it's going to remain that way it's not going to be subdivided into multif family it's not going to be converted to commercial
27:2827 minutes, 28 secondsso the developability of that parcel is relatively lower than maybe the one next to it that doesn't have a house
27:5227 minutes, 52 secondson all right um so moving on this is where I wanted to spend most of the meeting really get get y'all's take on
28:0128 minutes, 1 secondthe next steps for us with the scenario analysis um so real quick before we talk about potential scenarios one thing I
28:0828 minutes, 8 secondswant to make sure I do is is to Define what we mean by scenario analysis um this is a series of scenarios that
28:1728 minutes, 17 secondsreflect an exaggerated version of reality um so it's not a multiple choice tests you know when you're doing scenario analysis it's not okay here's a
28:2628 minutes, 26 secondsb and c pick one and that's the one we're going with what we're trying to do is tease out tradeoffs by exaggerating what might happen under a
28:3528 minutes, 35 secondsspecific scenario and on the next slide I'll give you an example and this is really used to frame the discussion and um you know Claude and I were talking
28:4228 minutes, 42 secondsbefore the meeting I might be jumping ahead here but you know early next year we'd like to get the stakeholders back in um with our place type definitions
28:5028 minutes, 50 secondsand with an initial sketch of these scenarios uh and see if there's anything that we're missing uh in terms of specific factors that they would be concerned conern with that they' be
28:5928 minutes, 59 secondsconcerned with and again I've got you know this little graphic on the side you can kind of see this is a you know simplified version of the tradeoffs that we're looking at preservation versus
29:0729 minutes, 7 secondschange you know rural character versus housing um you know protecting your resources and assets versus maybe looking at strategic development
29:1629 minutes, 16 secondsopportunities so on the next slide I've got some examples of potential scenarios and you know we didn't just dream these
29:2529 minutes, 25 secondsup in a vacuum um these are BAS on uh the data points that we got from the public and some of the tradeoffs that we
29:3329 minutes, 33 secondslooked at and these are again potential scenarios I'll walk through each of these real quick um and really talk about what some of these trade-offs
29:4229 minutes, 42 secondsmight be and then I'd like to get um yall's take to see if there are other you know other avenues that you might like to look at or other uh maybe maybe
29:5029 minutes, 50 secondsa different approach to some of these scenarios so first one thing that we heard a lot of from folks was rural conservation basically we like Kitman
29:5729 minutes, 57 secondsCounty like it is is um you know we're dealing with a little bit of grow pressure in the Northeast part of the county we'd really like to keep things
30:0430 minutes, 4 secondslike they are so what would it look like if we did just that what would it look like if you know development generally
30:1130 minutes, 11 secondsbecame uh restricted except for byright development um as allowed in the zoning ordinance and we really emphasized
30:1930 minutes, 19 secondspreservation of open space uh you know not not subdividing large Parcels uh preservation of open land um Limited
30:2830 minutes, 28 secondsgrowth Beyond where that existing development footprint is and uh really no more development along uh some of the major corridors you know a lot of the
30:3630 minutes, 36 secondsdevelopment particularly you know we just drove in from the Fairview area you've got a lot of linear development there along Highway 100 you know if we
30:4430 minutes, 44 secondsjust for lack of a better term put a glass Dome over the county what would that look like in terms of housing capability what would that look like in
30:5230 minutes, 52 secondsterms of fiscal impact what would what would that impact be um how many future residents that are projected might struggle to find places to live for
31:0031 minutesexample um so again that's that's you know potential scenario number one um another one is the trend kind of business as usual scenario this is where
31:0831 minutes, 8 secondswe would just work to extrapolate current extrapolate current trends so the current development trends that we're seeing you know if we were to again you know as best we can
31:1731 minutes, 17 secondsextrapolate those out um and that would include you know fairly limited expansion of infrastructure um uh you know all the future
31:2531 minutes, 25 secondsdevelopment would really be located and where you have these existing growth areas uh and you would continue to see that linear development along corridors
31:3331 minutes, 33 secondsso what does that look like where does that get us um and then looking at what we're calling expanded centers uh and again that that may not be a great name
31:4131 minutes, 41 secondsbut this is where we look at in addition to buildout in the current development areas maybe looking at some other micro
31:4831 minutes, 48 secondsdevelopment nodes and and specifically more nodal development so I mentioned that a lot of the current development patterns in the uh in the county right
31:5531 minutes, 55 secondsnow are linear you know what if we look looked at for lack of a better term a village or Crossroads Center where you had maybe a little bit of density in
32:0432 minutes, 4 secondsterms of you know a couple of commercial businesses and the like what would that look like um and again that would that would necessitate looking at you know
32:1232 minutes, 12 secondsexpanded infrastructure so what would the impact be on the sewer capacity what would the impact be on the sewer lines
32:2032 minutes, 20 secondsum and so again these three scenarios you know none of them are one that we would necessarily I mean maybe we would but the idea here would be to develop a
32:2832 minutes, 28 secondsseries of indicators based on each one so that in addition to just looking at the map and seeing what the general development pattern being proposed is we
32:3632 minutes, 36 secondsalso have some quantifiable metrics that we can evaluate it on they'll be high level uh they'll be sketch level but it gives us a way to compare apples to
32:4432 minutes, 44 secondsapples particularly as it relates to different grow you know outcomes uh particularly housing infrastructure andik and then on the kind of over here
32:5332 minutes, 53 secondson on the Souther access throughout all of these would also be a view of the existing the existing zoning and Land
33:0133 minutes, 1 secondDevelopment regulation uh framework to see if there are adjustments that need to be made to essentially realize uh the
33:1033 minutes, 10 secondsdevelopment patterns uh for each of these uh so it would be again looking at uh looking at Land Development patterns
33:1833 minutes, 18 secondsuh looking at infrastructure availability uh you know can the infrastructure support uh this particular vision and then conducting uh
33:2633 minutes, 26 secondsa zoning review for each so a general questions if you have them
33:3433 minutes, 34 secondsand B do these scenarios based on your experience and the challenges that you all have uh in development decisions do
33:4333 minutes, 43 secondsthese make sense are these landing on the types of trade-offs that You' like to
33:5333 minutes, 53 secondsexamine on the the the three potential scenario
34:0034 minutesthe the public input uh the was the rural conservation
34:0834 minutes, 8 secondswas that the one that was discussed the is that one is that will have the most hits or are these in any order I guess
34:1534 minutes, 15 secondsis my question so these are in order kind of from we ordered them this way just really along this axis down here yeah rural conservation less
34:2334 minutes, 23 secondsinfrastructure so there are no particular order but in developing these what we were trying to do was to balance
34:3034 minutes, 30 secondsyou know anytime you ask the public you're going to get conflicting answers that have way and so we thought that these were some of the really major
34:3834 minutes, 38 secondsthings that came out uh both from just our discussions as well as all the recorded input that we got and that this
34:4634 minutes, 46 secondswould be a really good starting point in terms of trying to tease out what the tradeoffs would be among those different things
34:5934 minutes, 59 secondsI think we've talked about since the beginning far as I don't like the word control I just can't think of a better
35:0735 minutes, 7 secondsword for to hold on to more that rule it's going to have to be done with zoning that's I think that's been the
35:1435 minutes, 14 secondsdiscussion you're going to have to get the zoning figured out and where if you don't want the Farms busted up you going
35:2235 minutes, 22 secondshave to Zone them to keep that from happen I I I think that's a good point Robert I mean you know I don't won't say
35:3035 minutes, 30 secondsdoing nothing but you know no development is still a policy and and I should add too Robert
35:4035 minutes, 40 secondsyou know as we this this is after we get through the scenario development after we take that you know take these sketches back out to the public and
35:4835 minutes, 48 secondsallow them another opportunity to uh give us feedback um The Next Step Beyond that would be looking at what we have on our scope is for lack of better term of
35:5735 minutes, 57 secondsprefer growth scenario so taking the constituent parts of these that uh we that we think are most appropriate for
36:0436 minutes, 4 secondsthe county going forward um and we would provide some backend guidance on again just you know high level guidance on
36:1336 minutes, 13 secondswhat you all might consider in terms of updating the zoning uh ordinance that's obviously not not a decision that we make but we can certainly provide
36:2136 minutes, 21 secondsrecommendations and guidance of that I would just give the Planning Commission the or they can make that decision on
36:2936 minutes, 29 secondsthat zoning if something comes up and brought before them then if the zoning stops it that's where it can
36:3936 minutes, 39 secondsstop so and I'm I'm get I guess I'm segueing in on what Robert was saying and what you had said EV minuted ago so
36:4836 minutes, 48 secondsthat's where from the 30,000 foot whatever view you guys look at you would be
36:5536 minutes, 55 secondssuggesting recommending recom suggesting that these existing development types that would be somehow supplanted into
37:0437 minutes, 4 secondsthe plan that would go along with what whatever this development growth scheme is
37:1137 minutes, 11 secondsso after y'all listened to this you what what when you what would what are the you know additional
37:1937 minutes, 19 secondsdevelopment types what what are you what are you talking about sure so the place types that would be the next step in this process and what we would be
37:2737 minutes, 27 secondslooking looking to bring to you all in the stakeholders uh the place types you know generally so we had the development types earlier let me just make sure that
37:3537 minutes, 35 secondsI'm not confusing anything so we had the development types that were presented at the public Workshop those were kind of simplified development types that are
37:4237 minutes, 42 secondspresent throughout the county our place types that would inform these scenarios would be based a on existing development
37:5037 minutes, 50 secondstypes and and and things allowed under existing zon right so they would generally be reflected of that they may also be ref
37:5837 minutes, 58 secondsthings that are not currently allowed under the existing zoning ordinance and what the place types are they're not just it's not just you know a
38:0738 minutes, 7 secondsdevelopment form where you know we have a residential Place type or we have this limited commercial Place type they're also going to be accompanied by those
38:1438 minutes, 14 secondsindicators that I mentioned earlier so you know you're going to look at what the housing yield might be under that place type what the you know commercial
38:2138 minutes, 21 secondssquare footage might be um you know the impact on sewer uh impact on school based on average household type and the
38:3038 minutes, 30 secondslike so those Place types are things that we would plug into uh you know future land use map and use to develop
38:3838 minutes, 38 secondsthose indicators across those three scenarios so you know the place types would be summarized in a table that would have
38:4538 minutes, 45 secondsthose uh that would have those uh indicator categories uh along them and then you would get a roll up of the sum
38:5238 minutes, 52 secondsof all of those individual items so again you know Housing Development you commercial square footage yield and the like and that is the the quantifiable
39:0139 minutes, 1 secondinformation that you would get to compare these in addition to just looking at the you know looking at a map and looking at what the development form
39:1039 minutes, 10 secondslooks like would it be fair to say in some way that what you're describing is taking the station
39:1839 minutes, 18 secondsto the change and preserve overlay with the suitability and then laying the existing zoning on top of that to see
39:2639 minutes, 26 secondswhere they fit together so with so with this particular approach with the scenarios yes we would be looking at those two
39:3439 minutes, 34 secondsdata points and then developing these scenarios again that exaggerate these tradeoffs so you know to use your
39:4139 minutes, 41 secondsexample with that one where you have preserve maybe we go all in on preserve and just glass Dome that for life of
39:4839 minutes, 48 secondsbetter term and expanded centers maybe it looks a little bit closer to the red that you see on that map even though that that is admittedly exaggerated but
39:5739 minutes, 57 secondsthat's what we're trying to do is take the input that we got against the data that you all have provided and try to
40:0340 minutes, 3 secondsdevelop a way to talk about tradeoffs because ultimately I I think that's really the the big decision that
40:1040 minutes, 10 secondsthat needs to be made in terms of the preferred you know whatever the preferred uh land use plan looks like is
40:1840 minutes, 18 secondsyou know what what balance are we striking among these tradeoffs I mean that that's ultimately um that in my view that's ultimately the question that
40:2540 minutes, 25 secondswe're trying to answer for you all but is that for the existing structure
40:3340 minutes, 33 secondsthat we've got in place right now and expanding what we have available to us as far as the support for for those
40:4240 minutes, 42 secondsareas that that people people are you know I look at the scale and I see that tipping towards the
40:4940 minutes, 49 secondschange I hear what hear what Andy says you know and that's what I was thinking something where you could take like station two and overlay it on a
40:5840 minutes, 58 secondssuitability but then you come over here and you have reserve and change I think we are we looking only at what we have
41:0641 minutes, 6 secondsnow or we are we getting out there in the future with regard to infrastructure and also identifying those areas that uh
41:1541 minutes, 15 secondswe need for future growth that's consistent with what we see back here on like station two I would say it's both
41:2241 minutes, 22 secondsso it is working with what you have but it's also again we don't have a crystal ball but looking at you know
41:2941 minutes, 29 secondswhat what pattern of development would we like to see in 20 years and then following that up you know I think infrastructure you mentioned that is is
41:3741 minutes, 37 secondsthe big limiting factor I mean we can assume that sewered areas are that you know those are the only places where you're going to be able to do any
41:4441 minutes, 44 secondsdevelopment scale right um so you know we we can't predict what market conditions uh we can guess in
41:5341 minutes, 53 secondsconjunction with stakeholders but we can't uh predict necessarily Market condition are going to look like for sewer water expansion but what we can do
42:0142 minutes, 1 secondis develop a policy vision and a policy guidance for uh you know if sewer expands you know for example we know
42:1042 minutes, 10 secondsthat this is an area that's been identified for growth we know this is the type of growth that we've identified there um and again that helps you all
42:1742 minutes, 17 secondswith your decision-making process not with any updates that you might need to make to the zoning ordinance but also with individual development proposes
42:2442 minutes, 24 secondsalso so I guess to answer your question it really it's yesing um it's it's yes you know working with what you have now and trying to based on some of the
42:3342 minutes, 33 secondspreferences that we got um extrapolate those of the future 20 years because I think that's what car is that's going to
42:4242 minutes, 42 secondsbe critical for you yes Clarity around there
42:5742 minutes, 57 secondsso I guess just quickly going back to um just going back to those potential scenarios you know I I mentioned these
43:0543 minutes, 5 secondstrade-offs between preservation you Rural Preservation and also looking at some expanded growth opportunities
43:1243 minutes, 12 secondsparticularly as they relate to housing and Commercial development B in your experience are
43:1943 minutes, 19 secondsthose some of the tradeoffs are those some of the tensions that you all are having to deal with are there other ones that we need to be aware of are there
43:2643 minutes, 26 secondsother ones that we need to try to um tease out um in the scenario development
43:4743 minutes, 47 secondsprocess is that a question yes sir I'm a little unclear on the question so
43:5743 minutes, 57 secondsexample you know with rural conservation we're looking at okay let's let's just assume for a moment that very little changes in terms of growth and
44:0644 minutes, 6 secondsdevelopment um and then looking at expanded centers you know that might be what we look at uh if you have additional development opportunities
44:1444 minutes, 14 secondsadditional land identified for development um you might have more housing and Commercial opportunities that was a a I don't to say a source of
44:2244 minutes, 22 secondstension but those were conflicting Visions or conflicting preferences that we heard um so I guess what I'm
44:3044 minutes, 30 secondstrying to ask is are there other conflicting preferences that you all either have
44:3744 minutes, 37 secondspersonally or um conversations that you've had with constituents that we could potentially try to get at um with the scenario
44:4744 minutes, 47 secondsanalysis you know another one that's unspoken here is you know with the infrastructure question and we kind of have that along the bottom um with with
44:5544 minutes, 55 secondslooking at what you know to uh you know to realize a specific growth pattern what infrastructure expansion in the future would have to be to look would
45:0345 minutes, 3 secondshave to be to accommodate that but I guess what I'm asking is again are there other conflicting preferences that you all have encountered that you'd like to
45:1245 minutes, 12 secondssee maybe some quantifiable information on or just another way to evaluate
45:1845 minutes, 18 secondsthem me me personally uh in conversations it does seem um it's not it's not everybody but
45:2845 minutes, 28 secondsthere does seem to be like the most common is the
45:3445 minutes, 34 secondsum leave it like it is and um and then on the other side of that is the you know we need
45:4245 minutes, 42 secondsmore you we need more grow I mean that that seems to be I mean what you talked about is is the uh that that's the most
45:5145 minutes, 51 secondsof the conversations that um and and I think I think probably there's those that that that I've talked to that are you know
45:5945 minutes, 59 secondsthey're on that side of um we like our hometown field it's the it would be nice if we
46:0846 minutes, 8 secondshad this but if we can keep that Hometown field you know if that's possible um you know that's but that's that's the
46:1646 minutes, 16 secondsconversations that I've had is that there's there's some that they they want to they want a lot of growth you know if possible and then there's you know just
46:2446 minutes, 24 secondsas many that are you know you know they they they would love to put that VI Dome over the count and so that's that's the
46:3246 minutes, 32 secondswhat y'all have what you have already talked about you know that's that's the conversations that I have had that that
46:3946 minutes, 39 secondspeople have had with me so and and that I mean that's fairly
46:4646 minutes, 46 secondsconsistent with kind of what our primary takeaway was so so the the drew the question that
46:5446 minutes, 54 secondsI would have then I mean I think you know I believe that you've got a good handle
47:0247 minutes, 2 secondson the atmosphere and the T the tone of the conversation
47:1147 minutes, 11 secondsum I guess in my mind I'm trying to figure out how we how we progress beyond that I mean again the
47:2147 minutes, 21 secondsyou know you talk you know every every other word we don't every other word in all this is infrastructure and it's I mean it starts with roads I
47:3047 minutes, 30 secondsmean there there's a lot of land that's flat as a flitter there's no roads you know and the majority of that's privately held but you know there's
47:3947 minutes, 39 secondsroads there's electric water sewer gas you know so how do we take at
47:4847 minutes, 48 secondsleast those five identifiable infrastructure limitations and introduce those because what we
47:5747 minutes, 57 secondstalked about a minute ago was the tone in the tender and the atmosphere now we're talking about the reality right so how do how do we
48:0548 minutes, 5 secondstake and I'm sure there's more than just those five I just you know pointed out but how do we take those
48:1248 minutes, 12 secondsfive and put it and inject that with that tone and atmosphere into some
48:2148 minutes, 21 secondsdocument that is this growth plan I'm just ask I mean I'm I'm I'm kind of curious you obviously hope you
48:2848 minutes, 28 secondsguys have done this a zillion times you have a you have a three sentence answer for me so yeah so I I guess the short answer is is this um first off with the
48:3748 minutes, 37 secondsyou once we start working through scenarios um we're going to schedule stakeholder meeting get our utility folks back in here want to have a
48:4548 minutes, 45 secondsdiscussion with them hey we've got you know this is an initial sketch is this insane you know let's take expanded
48:5348 minutes, 53 secondscenters for example are we are we off you know we need to be committed is this insane the other part of that
48:5948 minutes, 59 secondstoo is that this is a policy document so um you know we're really looking at things at a 30,000 foot view from a land use perspective but it does send signals
49:0949 minutes, 9 secondsum so when you put out a policy document you know you identify land that you know may or may not be developed right now but you are signaling uh not only to
49:1849 minutes, 18 secondsResidents in each other but you're also signaling to U people who might consider development uh and your uh partners with
49:2549 minutes, 25 secondsgas water sewer that this is this is our policy preference so as opposed to you
49:3249 minutes, 32 secondsknow if you know I'm not I don't work in the sewer business but let let's say I work through the sewer business you're looking at you know you're you're trying
49:4149 minutes, 41 secondsto evaluate what your expansion plans might look like over a 10 or 15 year period if you don't know what the policy preference is for the land that you may
49:4949 minutes, 49 secondsor may not service it really makes it impossible uh to make those types of decisions because you know deeci will
49:5749 minutes, 57 secondseat you alive if you extend a sewer line uh down along property that's that's not going to plug into it so there and I
50:0550 minutes, 5 secondsknow I'm getting longer than three sentences here but it it it's a little chicken of the egg because um obviously uh development invites infrastructure
50:1350 minutes, 13 secondsexpansion infrastructure expansion Vice development and so what this is is the county signaling to not only residents
50:2250 minutes, 22 secondsbut also uh anybody that might develop um and some of these utility providers is what the what the preference is going
50:2850 minutes, 28 secondsforward or what will be allowed under uh under this body going forward so it sends those signals um and it does have
50:3750 minutes, 37 secondssome impact on what that market reaction might be so that policy document that you're talking about which is the growth
50:4450 minutes, 44 secondsplan that signals that intention by virtue of the fact that you
50:5050 minutes, 50 secondsidentify the growth areas correct and and the identification of those growth areas is based on own real and
51:0051 minutespossible infrastructure adjustments and reality what's there now what may be in the future yes so the these one thing
51:0951 minutes, 9 secondsI'll say the scenarios might be like beginning just go to this one because it's the one that might be a little exaggerated that might stretch the
51:1651 minutes, 16 secondsboundaries of reality but what we want to that's an opportunity for us to examine that tradeoff from an infr from
51:2551 minutes, 25 secondsan infrastructure perspective so we would definitely want to get the input of your gas water electric sewer folks
51:3451 minutes, 34 secondsyou know does this look insane um you know are we getting laughed out of the room you know with something like this from a market perspective or um if these
51:4351 minutes, 43 secondsCH let's assume for a moment that these changes do come in you do start seeing that type of development in these areas you know would Market pressure allow you
51:5151 minutes, 51 secondsto respond to that by providing service to those areas and and I and I and I'm going to that that was my next question cuz you
51:5851 minutes, 58 secondsknow you talk about this potential scenarios as as if it's a you know it's
52:0752 minutes, 7 secondsa big County yeah uh it's not a one siiz fits all so it very well may be uh an
52:1552 minutes, 15 secondsexpanded centers and some you know over here but then it may be rural
52:2152 minutes, 21 secondsconservation over here and so those are at least the way you got this written here it's it's I mean I'm not going to
52:2952 minutes, 29 secondssay it's conflicting but it is conflicting so so how do you take those
52:3652 minutes, 36 secondsdifferent concepts and scenarios and and don't and you know you're not going to try to homogenize this across the the entire size of the
52:4552 minutes, 45 secondscounty you how do you go in there and and okay so this area will be the one that we're going to have we're going to we're going to the tip of our SP is
52:5352 minutes, 53 secondsgoing to be that rural conservation in this area over here tip of our SP is going to be that business as usual and over here that tip of our SP is going to
53:0153 minutes, 1 secondbe the expanded expanded centers how how how you know because you're talk I almost hear you saying you guys have got
53:0953 minutes, 9 secondsto go pick one in order for us to go flesh it out and I and I'm like I don't know how we pick one because I can see
53:1853 minutes, 18 secondswhere all of these fit somewhere within the scope of the county yeah so they I think you hit on
53:2553 minutes, 25 secondsit they are conflicting they're they're supposed to be conflicting so again what we're trying to do is is tease out what the impact is
53:3353 minutes, 33 secondsof each of these and again you know we are picking scenarios to develop and to evaluate but we're not picking a
53:4153 minutes, 41 secondspreferred scenario to actually carry forward in the policy document so what this allows us to do is take a look at what you know what what these individual
53:4953 minutes, 49 secondsones look like and then kind of you know it's not really a in either or it's kind of column a column B column C so you might pick a little from column a little
53:5853 minutes, 58 secondsfrom column B little from column C and so what this allows us to do again working with you all is to look at you know what these exaggerated differences
54:0654 minutes, 6 secondsare uh both on the math and quantifiable and then we're also going to take these out to the public so whatever we end up developing you know whether it's this or
54:1554 minutes, 15 secondsor whether it's slightly different our next round to public engagement will be to go and provide this to the public uh and so in addition to the work that we
54:2354 minutes, 23 secondsdo with you all and the stakeholders both talking about some of those Market uh issues like infrastructure for example we also want to get an idea of
54:3154 minutes, 31 secondspreferences from the public as well so the data points that we would have um coming out of this are the guidance and
54:3854 minutes, 38 secondsfeedback that we get from you all the guidance and feedback that we get from our stakeholders and then what the public tells us they prefer and this
54:4554 minutes, 45 secondswill give them sort of exaggerated differences to react to and then the the subsequent step to that would be taking all that together and taking the
54:5354 minutes, 53 secondsconstituent pieces of you know a b and c and melding them together to get as close as we can to what we think is not only possible but what's also generally
55:0255 minutes, 2 secondsbeen you know expressed as being preferred when I look at the like the
55:0955 minutes, 9 secondsthe stations two and three I mean I think it really leads to um of the of the potential scenarios
55:1955 minutes, 19 secondsI mean it's going to be geographical yep I mean and that's I mean I think that's how and well and it's not just
55:2755 minutes, 27 secondsI mean there's other things just besides what you know the the stations the engagement part I mean I mean you've got
55:3555 minutes, 35 secondssome you got some terrain constraints I mean too I mean when you look can't remember what page it was I mean but it
55:4355 minutes, 43 secondswas a pretty good you could you can see there's certain areas of our County that are going to be extremely hard to develop because they're going to have to
55:4955 minutes, 49 secondsmove a lot of dirt yep um and uh so I mean I I mean from from what I'm seeing
55:5855 minutes, 58 secondsI mean you get up there you know the like the station 4 the the bonac
56:0556 minutes, 5 secondswills you know and and I guess even the Cal I don't know if the infrastructure of Cal totes it but I mean that's more
56:1256 minutes, 12 secondson the the expanded center part um and and I and I understand that we right now we have linear development
56:2256 minutes, 22 secondsum and and I mean they that may not be a bad thing I mean I Haven thought about the noal part you know trying to get off
56:2856 minutes, 28 secondsof those main you know the main lines uh you know the highway 100 46 you know
56:3656 minutes, 36 secondsdeal um but I mean I I see you know you get down in the Pleasant area I mean it's rural
56:4456 minutes, 44 secondsconservation I mean the where I where I live it's going to be the same type thing it's it would be hard to
56:5056 minutes, 50 secondsfind you know spots to put houses you know a lot of houses cuz if it's flat it's usually flooding and so u i mean I
56:5956 minutes, 59 secondsthink it was going it's going to have to be geographical and you know and go from there so I mean it's um and and I and I
57:0757 minutes, 7 secondsthink that um I mean I think it being a policy document and being Geographic I mean I think that's fine I mean we expand the growth area you know in East
57:1657 minutes, 16 secondsEnd of the county and and and you know I mean I that's that's kind of how where I see everything pointing um I I don't you
57:2457 minutes, 24 secondsknow and I don't think that you meant that one scenar is going to fit the county and I do think that it's going to be you know spots that you know are are
57:3257 minutes, 32 secondsyou know showing up on the maps you know from the you know uh you know really I guess the the suitability part you lay
57:4257 minutes, 42 secondsthat over there and I guess that's what they were saying there so I mean was that your plan was to kind of look the geographically and then fit scenarios
57:5057 minutes, 50 secondsfor those or yeah I mean all of the scenarios will recognize the the geog graic you know
57:5757 minutes, 57 secondsdifferences of the county so with expanded centers I wouldn't expect that to you know put super high intensity uh development in the in the southwest part
58:0558 minutes, 5 secondsof the county um it really is a way to exaggerate some of these differences get people to react to them and then get a
58:1458 minutes, 14 secondslittle bit closer to what the preference is but um I I you know another way to do this uh would be to try to lay out three
58:2458 minutes, 24 secondsyou know I want say plausible but but really more of a select one you know here are three different scenarios pick one which one do you like and I I think
58:3358 minutes, 33 secondsit's it's helpful to exaggerate things a little bit and understand how people react to something that might be slightly more exaggerated than what you
58:4258 minutes, 42 secondsactually land on it also gives you the opportunity to um I don't want to say throw out their ideas because everything we want to keep somewhat grounded in
58:5058 minutes, 50 secondsreality uh but to to put ideas out there that maybe people hadn't bought for um the noal development being one that we
58:5858 minutes, 58 secondswe definitely got some input on that but you know what does that look like in practice and how do people feel about
59:0759 minutes, 7 secondsthat with the noal type be a once we reach that point in the policy development would that be a place to use
59:1559 minutes, 15 secondsthe tools to incentivize it like with tips or Pilot programs that kind of thing potentially yeah I mean it it depends but if you're looking at at you
59:2259 minutes, 22 secondsknow commercial development um and again I coming back to this but small scale local commercial developments a lot of
59:3059 minutes, 30 secondsthat would be an excellent use of those types of tools um you know especially with uh you know how especially with the
59:3859 minutes, 38 secondsfact that a lot of the areas that were identified for that aren't generally well served by commercial opportunities we also had to talk about
59:4559 minutes, 45 secondstourism and other you know potential things that could uh that could spin off
59:5259 minutes, 52 secondscar car
1:00:071 hour, 7 secondswe take questions yeah I I was going to I'm certainly happy yeah I was and looking at the crowd I don't think it'll
1:00:141 hour, 14 secondsget to out of hand so I don't know I there's a few characters out there but we'll see might make the night a little
1:00:211 hour, 21 secondsbit more entertaining get more views Casey's broadcast here but yeah if anybody that's on that side you y'all
1:00:281 hour, 28 secondsgot questions or input um I have a one question I have property in nle and in Pleasantville and
1:00:371 hour, 37 secondsum I'm residing in the Pleasantville right now area so most of the shopping that I end up doing sorry to tell you
1:00:451 hour, 45 secondsall this but a lot of it is outside of hian County so are we taking into consideration any money in our like
1:00:531 hour, 53 secondsneighboring counties that's being spent out out there to kind of see what we might need it's it's a little difficult to
1:01:021 hour, 1 minute, 2 secondscapture um dollars that are flowing outside of the county but it's not difficult to capture potential fiscal impact so um again you know if you have
1:01:101 hour, 1 minute, 10 secondsa commercial uh development you know we can make some assumptions based on what the sales tax receipts might be there um it's hard to compare it against how much
1:01:191 hour, 1 minute, 19 secondsis going out of the county but that's an area where you might see a you know a net increase in tax Reeds for example I
1:01:261 hour, 1 minute, 26 secondsmean for me I think it would be great I don't want to see a lot of growth I live here in hickon County on purpose it's
1:01:331 hour, 1 minute, 33 secondsgreat I do I don't want a lot of development but I do I would rather spend my money here if I could but
1:01:421 hour, 1 minute, 42 secondssometimes I don't have that option so you know I think it makes sense that we need some and if we could actually have
1:01:491 hour, 1 minute, 49 secondsa little growth in Pleasantville specifically it might encourage other counties residents to come here to spend
1:01:571 hour, 1 minute, 57 secondsmoney I think that would be beneficial but then there's also utilities and those things so I was curious if we can
1:02:051 hour, 2 minutes, 5 secondstake those things into consideration yes so I mean we will as best we can um and again you're hitting
1:02:121 hour, 2 minutes, 12 secondson something that we heard a lot okay um we heard a lot of very similar comments during the public input phase yes
1:02:201 hour, 2 minutes, 20 secondsinfrastructure and utilities are you know that's a question that um you know we we'll try to look at Ely um th those
1:02:271 hour, 2 minutes, 27 secondsare also evaluated just kind of on a case-by Case basis but I think we can maybe get closer to some actionable recommendations to you know for just to
1:02:351 hour, 2 minutes, 35 secondshave those shopping opportunities a a little bit closer to closer to home because we heard that a
1:02:411 hour, 2 minutes, 41 secondslot yes sir yeah so in the existing growth plan that we're basically going
1:02:471 hour, 2 minutes, 47 secondsto replace it it has growth areas that were designated is that still going to
1:02:551 hour, 2 minutes, 55 secondsbe part of the new plan that they would either expand
1:03:011 hour, 3 minutes, 1 secondcontract be relocated as far as grow areas so so two things with that um you
1:03:101 hour, 3 minutes, 10 secondsknow we we are reviewing those original growth areas what we're proposing to do um is to add just a little bit more
1:03:161 hour, 3 minutes, 16 secondsdetail um in the recommendations so those growth areas will be captured by Place type designation so rather than
1:03:231 hour, 3 minutes, 23 secondsjust looking at um you know here's a here's a circle and that's where growth would be we're going to we're going to try to add a little bit more detail
1:03:321 hour, 3 minutes, 32 secondsabout what the what type of growth might be most appropriate there yeah and and in doing that and I think this is what
1:03:401 hour, 3 minutes, 40 secondsyou were saying is you'd be trying to say in this particular area then we need to encourage infrastructure that would
1:03:481 hour, 3 minutes, 48 secondssupport that uh type of uh Place type or
1:03:541 hour, 3 minutes, 54 secondsor growth uh and uh uh so you know that's why I see you know in terms of
1:04:031 hour, 4 minutes, 3 secondsthe different um what were they called uh the scenarios I mean really uh you
1:04:111 hour, 4 minutes, 11 secondsknow a scenario for Pleasantville uh you know would potentially be totally different than
1:04:181 hour, 4 minutes, 18 secondsthe scenario for uh East Hickman Bon Aqua and the
1:04:261 hour, 4 minutes, 26 seconds4600 area uh and that's okay uh isn't that what you want to do you want to say
1:04:341 hour, 4 minutes, 34 secondsthis is where we want to encourage this type of development or or remain the same uh and uh you know
1:04:451 hour, 4 minutes, 45 secondsend up with a plan that indicates the policy preferences of the County uh in that
1:04:531 hour, 4 minutes, 53 secondsregard yes and so with the geograph graic differences with let's just take Pleasantville for example um you know
1:05:001 hour, 5 minutesthe the scenarios might present three different you know grow patterns for Pleasantville yeah um and and again we
1:05:071 hour, 5 minutes, 7 secondswould we would be looking to get feedback on which one of those most preferred so you know it it you know we'll essentially Frankenstein together
1:05:151 hour, 5 minutes, 15 secondsfor like a better term of fining and scenarios to get closer to what's right and um you know same for Center you know
1:05:231 hour, 5 minutes, 23 secondsso you know that's an area that obviously has great potential and yet it's you know got a
1:05:321 hour, 5 minutes, 32 secondslong way to go to get to where you know it's a a tourist attraction or things of
1:05:381 hour, 5 minutes, 38 secondsthat nature so uh you know this town
1:05:431 hour, 5 minutes, 43 seconds[Music]
1:05:451 hour, 5 minutes, 45 secondssquare to did you have something yeah I had a question since this people were seeing it gent said he owns farm and he
1:05:541 hour, 5 minutes, 54 secondsunderstood while go that this could be in a direction that the property that he
1:06:021 hour, 6 minutes, 2 secondsowns he may never sell it build homes on can you address that issue I mean we
1:06:091 hour, 6 minutes, 9 secondskind of hit that just for a minute ago and I had a second question is in the process of this is we're talking about
1:06:171 hour, 6 minutes, 17 secondsinfrastructure will it be known to the county on what cost will be and how that'll be paid for to do this
1:06:251 hour, 6 minutes, 25 secondsinfrastructure to work because it's going to be limited in where it goes but it's going to be a burden for the entire
1:06:321 hour, 6 minutes, 32 secondsCounty those are the two question so I'm I'm happy to try to address the first one um so the the future Landes plan
1:06:401 hour, 6 minutes, 40 secondswill Express a policy preference for a specific piece you know parcel of property so for example just take the farm you know let's say that that that
1:06:481 hour, 6 minutes, 48 secondsthe farm is designated as you know um agriculture open space you know that that's the place that we land on
1:06:561 hour, 6 minutes, 56 secondsum does that restrict that farm for development and perpetuity not necessarily what it does is it expresses that that is the policy intent um of the
1:07:051 hour, 7 minutes, 5 secondscounty going forward but again um these are recommendations that can be Revisited in the future I think amending the land use plan uh you know once it's
1:07:141 hour, 7 minutes, 14 secondsin place is something that should be done uh very carefully uh because otherwise if you start getting away from that um you know it kind of undercuts
1:07:211 hour, 7 minutes, 21 secondsthe purpose of the plan but you know in the event that market forces would start would start to dictate that that particular parcel is really really
1:07:291 hour, 7 minutes, 29 secondsreally suitable for that type of development um that's something that can be Revisited you know ultimately the decision uh for those types of things
1:07:361 hour, 7 minutes, 36 secondslies not with me certainly but with this body um so it again nothing is necessarily restricted from the luse
1:07:441 hour, 7 minutes, 44 secondsplan it just expresses the policy intent um over that period of time and in terms of infrastructure
1:07:521 hour, 7 minutes, 52 secondsexpansion um you know that's one thing that we and try to it's very difficult
1:07:581 hour, 7 minutes, 58 secondsto uh project you know specific infrastructure costs they're variable over time you know something that's in
1:08:061 hour, 8 minutes, 6 secondsplace something that you expand next year is very different than something that gets expanded 15 years down the road what we can do however working with
1:08:141 hour, 8 minutes, 14 secondsum working with the stakeholders and utility providers is to maybe try to get a general sense of a what's realistic
1:08:221 hour, 8 minutes, 22 secondsand what you know order magnitude cost might be for that um but I I I don't think that's something that'll be
1:08:301 hour, 8 minutes, 30 secondsexpressed with any really high level of precision more of just a general idea of what that cost burden would be to expand specific infrastructure I hope that
1:08:381 hour, 8 minutes, 38 secondsanswers your question
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1:08:511 hour, 8 minutes, 51 secondsyeah anyone else we covered you know a little bit on the zoning to Todd's question there you know if the zoning
1:09:001 hour, 9 minutescould be changed for the developer about any place I know they're they're expecting that developer to
1:09:071 hour, 9 minutes, 7 secondscover that cost for that infrastructure not the county if they're going to change the zoning so that's they've got
1:09:151 hour, 9 minutes, 15 secondsto prove that they can do that to the Planning Commission before that zoning can be changed or wouldn't do any good
1:09:231 hour, 9 minutes, 23 secondsyou can't get the infrastructure to have that development no thanks for adding that
1:09:331 hour, 9 minutes, 33 secondsRobert and and I and I think I mean hopefully what this plan will do is kind of give the
1:09:411 hour, 9 minutes, 41 secondsutilities you know an idea of where we expect that those changes to be you know
1:09:501 hour, 9 minutes, 50 secondswhat area you know I I mean and I'll be honest I think in the past and maybe there'll be more money coming grant
1:09:571 hour, 9 minutes, 57 secondsmoney coming but in the past it's you know our utility have been just playing catchup I mean they've just TR been
1:10:041 hour, 10 minutes, 4 secondstrying to you know and so uh but you know it might give them an idea of what's coming you know but but as far as
1:10:121 hour, 10 minutes, 12 secondsthe actual you know foot in the bill I mean it's the developers if they want to develop that piece of property they're going to have to make it work
1:10:211 hour, 10 minutes, 21 secondsso as far as capacity and things hopefully it'll utility district of the idea what you know we anticipate
1:10:351 hour, 10 minutes, 35 secondsso I just had one more comment on you know we had big controversy in regarding
1:10:421 hour, 10 minutes, 42 secondsthe Water Authority County Sewer plans dumping the effluent into the one of
1:10:501 hour, 10 minutes, 50 secondsthese you know l Creek um you know on the other hand uh you know sewer approach that
1:10:581 hour, 10 minutes, 58 secondsdoesn't end up with effluent going into lit Creek or another waterway that we want to protect uh you know those type
1:11:071 hour, 11 minutes, 7 secondsof criteria uh you know would seem to me to want you'd want to apply in growth
1:11:151 hour, 11 minutes, 15 secondsareas where you'd need sewer function but you don't want the destruction of uh
1:11:231 hour, 11 minutes, 23 secondsother aspects of Hickman County that we treasure and uh so that are you know
1:11:301 hour, 11 minutes, 30 secondsthat it would would potentially be an expression of preference on the part of the county as to how
1:11:381 hour, 11 minutes, 38 secondsinfrastructure of that type would uh be uh accepted uh and then there's also um
1:11:461 hour, 11 minutes, 46 secondsyou know are there goals in terms of you know we we as a county could certainly use additional tax revenue Rue and so
1:11:561 hour, 11 minutes, 56 secondsthe growth areas that we have uh the nodes um you know to the to the extent it encourages the type of development
1:12:051 hour, 12 minutes, 5 secondsthat produces tax revenues for the county uh is again something that might
1:12:121 hour, 12 minutes, 12 secondsbe a you know a un you know a stated goal uh of the uh the plan uh and
1:12:211 hour, 12 minutes, 21 secondscertainly you know resident you know affordable residental options for you know I know Robert talks
1:12:291 hour, 12 minutes, 29 secondsa lot about you know if you got a family member and they can't afford to build a
1:12:351 hour, 12 minutes, 35 secondshome in hickland County that's a problem and so you know that's another area where we want to be able to provide
1:12:441 hour, 12 minutes, 44 secondsaffordable housing as well for uh residents and and I guess just to your
1:12:521 hour, 12 minutes, 52 secondspoint I mean that that's another excellent know tax revenue another excellent example of of tradeoffs that we try to
1:13:141 hour, 13 minutes, 14 secondsquantify anybody else I've got one question for the young lady back there at liend Pleasant VI and
1:13:221 hour, 13 minutes, 22 secondsyou were talking about keeping the money in Hickman County versus I assume going over to Lyndon yeah um or I mean if if
1:13:301 hour, 13 minutes, 30 secondssomebody were to if that was a designated kind of a growth area for convenience somebody comes in and puts a grocery store
1:13:381 hour, 13 minutes, 38 secondsin would you as a consumer be willing to pay the higher price to keep your money in Hickman County I I've I've tried to
1:13:471 hour, 13 minutes, 47 secondspay the higher price for Hickman County for some of our produce instead of going to Walmart but it's not for or Whole
1:13:551 hour, 13 minutes, 55 secondsFoods or I have an allergy that I have specific Foods I have to eat so I don't I don't always get the things I'm
1:14:041 hour, 14 minutes, 4 secondslooking for at our current grocery stores unfortunately so I like to go to the ones I know I can get things at I'm
1:14:141 hour, 14 minutes, 14 secondsunique of course but I would pay a higher price for the convenience and for the also the because I know our taxpayer
1:14:221 hour, 14 minutes, 22 secondsdollars help make sure that we have good schools good you know EMS yeah EMA you
1:14:301 hour, 14 minutes, 30 secondsknow so so yes I would pay a little more money especially if it was closed because gas prices are extremely high
1:14:371 hour, 14 minutes, 37 secondstoo but I also know with that comes more traffic and those concerns so I you know is it's going to have to be a tradeoff
1:14:461 hour, 14 minutes, 46 secondslike you say in the paperwork so but for me I would like it um I can't say
1:14:531 hour, 14 minutes, 53 secondseverybody else but I'm also from New Orleans area so you know you
1:15:101 hour, 15 minutes, 10 secondsdo all right what's next so what's next um so again assuming that everybody is
1:15:201 hour, 15 minutes, 20 secondsgenerally comfortable uh with the scenarios that we identify but the next the next two things that we
1:15:281 hour, 15 minutes, 28 secondsneed to do uh to to get closer to realizing that in for us so one is we need to place types that we're going need to pop the scenarios and and we
1:15:351 hour, 15 minutes, 35 secondsreally needed I guess Buy in or feedback from you all on the direction of scenarios in order to make sure that we're developing the proper place types
1:15:431 hour, 15 minutes, 43 secondsum so uh we we've begun development on that and we'll be looking to wrap that up um really I know we have the holidays
1:15:501 hour, 15 minutes, 50 secondscoming up but in early January and start populating this iOS and I've got that listed this February um Claud I think
1:15:591 hour, 15 minutes, 59 secondswhat you and I were talking about before the meeting was understanding that I don't want I know it's it's it's a I
1:16:061 hour, 16 minutes, 6 secondsdon't say a burden but I know it's an ask to get people to to come and have these meetings with us so maybe we can
1:16:141 hour, 16 minutes, 14 secondscombine uh those activities and look to have our next stakeholder meeting and that would include all of the various
1:16:211 hour, 16 minutes, 21 secondsstakeholders that we had out before uh maybe late January early February okay
1:16:291 hour, 16 minutes, 29 secondsum and we can you know I mentioned that like with the place type designations um as we um as we were able to get those
1:16:361 hour, 16 minutes, 36 secondsdrafted um we can go ahead and that'll probably be a fairly high density of information um so that's something that we could share with you all ahead of
1:16:441 hour, 16 minutes, 44 secondstime give you an opportunity to review ahead of time so that we're not springing it on you pract in real time
1:16:511 hour, 16 minutes, 51 secondsso um and then coming out of that once we have have those draft scenarios um out we'll discuss those
1:16:591 hour, 16 minutes, 59 secondswith the stakeholders we'll discuss those with you all and the other thing that we'd like to discuss at the next meeting is going ahead and looking at
1:17:051 hour, 17 minutes, 5 secondsthat next round of public engagement um so we are scoped similarly uh for the second round um we have four rounds that
1:17:151 hour, 17 minutes, 15 secondsthat that we that we can do and then we also have the online excuse me the online interactive tool and so looking
1:17:221 hour, 17 minutes, 22 secondsahead I know that there's spring break and and things like that coming up in March but um it might be good to start thinking about uh venues and potential
1:17:311 hour, 17 minutes, 31 secondsdates um maybe in mid to late March to take that back out to the public um and then at that point uh we would look to
1:17:401 hour, 17 minutes, 40 secondsuh get everything wrapped up within the next couple of months so looking at probably a made timeline for a draft uh deliverable so um you know a lot of work
1:17:491 hour, 17 minutes, 49 secondsto do uh here in the next couple of uh here in the next couple of months um but
1:17:551 hour, 17 minutes, 55 secondsif we can uh if we can land on a date for that next meeting um we could kind of work backwards from that okay and
1:18:031 hour, 18 minutes, 3 secondsmake sure that you've got everything in your hands and time all right uh the late January early February yes sir
1:18:191 hour, 18 minutes, 19 secondsokay how much time do you think we be involved in that well our our meetings tend to run I
1:18:271 hour, 18 minutes, 27 secondsmean we're at an hour and 15 minutes now with the discussion um I'd really like to get the utility folks in here
1:18:351 hour, 18 minutes, 35 secondsagain others at the end of January February at that at that meeting so I would I would budget two hours for it so
1:18:441 hour, 18 minutes, 44 secondswe probably need to do that separately than our regular Planning Commission meeting correct yeah probably so I mean our regular planning would be on the 4th
1:18:521 hour, 18 minutes, 52 secondsof February wouldn't it all right first Tuesday yeah on the 4th um in January there's Commission
1:19:011 hour, 19 minutes, 1 secondmeeting on the 27th the January meeting can be a little bit longer
1:19:121 hour, 19 minutes, 12 secondsum I mean I don't know about that Tuesday the 28th I mean there be a high school basketball game but it's probably going
1:19:201 hour, 19 minutes, 20 secondsto be a conflict somewhere I guess I don't know I mean I'm thinking that Tuesday the 28th let anybody has any
1:19:281 hour, 19 minutes, 28 secondsother suggestions I think I I think that'd be a good day I'd like to do it you know after we have our January planning but
1:19:361 hour, 19 minutes, 36 secondsbefore we do our February planning meeting yeah that's
1:19:441 hour, 19 minutes, 44 secondsgood well what's that January Robert if we
1:19:501 hour, 19 minutes, 50 secondscould uh try to get a hold of those stakeholders to see if there's we we sent out an email for this and some of them some of them here I a even
1:19:591 hour, 19 minutes, 59 secondslook back St on mayor mayor's here yeah but if we could just to see you know make sure they don't have their board
1:20:061 hour, 20 minutes, 6 secondsmeeting or you know something on that date you know I mean I mean may not be able to get all of them but
1:20:141 hour, 20 minutes, 14 secondsif you know we do that is that what not saying any yeah yeah we're we're flexible that that should work not
1:20:211 hour, 20 minutes, 21 secondstrying to say they're all important I think we really need to electrical people involved I Lou and Dixon yeah so
1:20:311 hour, 20 minutes, 31 secondsthey would have a lot to do with that in the water the utility people yeah water is going to be a big
1:20:391 hour, 20 minutes, 39 secondsinfrastructure thing for us to deal with sure think the mayor's been working on a
1:20:461 hour, 20 minutes, 46 secondslot of that okay anything
1:20:531 hour, 20 minutes, 53 secondselse uh certainly happy to entertain any other questions um and I'm happy to stick around for a few minutes if if
1:21:001 hour, 21 minutesanybody wants to talk but that was what we wanted to cover so we'll take again the guidance from you all uh work
1:21:091 hour, 21 minutes, 9 secondstowards the draft Place types and getting at least an initial sketch of those scenarios together uh for the January me again that'll give us an
1:21:161 hour, 21 minutes, 16 secondsopportunity uh if we are able to get utility folks in here to get their input on uh just whether or not that's
1:21:221 hour, 21 minutes, 22 secondsgrounded reality that was really The Next Step I was looking forward to
1:21:311 hour, 21 minutes, 31 secondsokay anything else I think a motion
1:21:371 hour, 21 minutes, 37 secondsto there it is thank
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