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37:1637 minutes, 16 secondsthank
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37:2037 minutes, 20 secondsyou plge allegiance to the flag of United States of America and to the
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37:3837 minutes, 38 secondsgood sorry attendance it's take them we're
37:4437 minutes, 44 secondsall here that we have a forum right
37:5337 minutes, 53 secondsdrers and the next would be thank everybody that might be watching on uh YouTube and following us on the
38:0238 minutes, 2 secondsmeeting thanks for the people in the audience and uh going to turn this discussion or all the budget over to Mr
38:1138 minutes, 11 secondsmullet thank you Mr thank you Mr gons uh Mr Elkins and I decided to start
38:2238 minutes, 22 secondswith our first draft of a budget by uh funding all programs and fund funding
38:3138 minutes, 31 secondsall positions um and we uh included a 5% across the
38:3938 minutes, 39 secondsboard raise and uh and when we did that that's the budget that we sent you and it became
38:4838 minutes, 48 secondsuh our our plan going into this uh was to uh just to see where it would get us
38:5538 minutes, 55 secondsand it got us to a bad place we four 4,925 above ex
39:0539 minutes, 5 secondsuh uh draft expenditures and then the board previously allotted 2.2 million so
39:1239 minutes, 12 secondswe were 2.7 million north of where uh the board wanted us to B but
39:2239 minutes, 22 secondssorry to interrupt though but was that at the projected spin Direct not the actual
39:2939 minutes, 29 secondsbudget that was at 90 yeah uh M was 93.98 per spin
39:3639 minutes, 36 secondsrate that was when we went in that that was our projected as we went in and looked at the items which was right
39:4439 minutes, 44 secondsclose to that 94% um and so we had looked and said that
39:5339 minutes, 53 secondsthese were going to be this is what we thought our expens would be possibly based off of past
40:0040 minuteshistory and it roughly came out to but the the the value that we came up with when we had it in the board meeting of
40:0740 minutes, 7 secondsthe I think it a deficit of 2 point Something 2 2 2.2 yeah so that
40:1540 minutes, 15 secondswas that was not a deficit at full budget amount that was a deficit if we spend it at the expected spin rate right
40:2440 minutes, 24 seconds93.9 so that's what that with budgeted Revenue yeah not the projected Revenue but the budgeted Revenue
40:3240 minutes, 32 secondsbecause and even those are in question because TSA is not finalized and um u
40:4040 minutes, 40 secondslocal sales ta or property taxes are what did you use that for what the current estimates that are there that we
40:4840 minutes, 48 secondshave received um but neither of them were finalized the best estim
40:5540 minutes, 55 secondswe yes but but uh just it's just not feasible but that
41:0241 minutes, 2 secondsthat's where we started so since last all of this week uh we have um
41:1141 minutes, 11 secondsuh I actually I I'm prone to like abbreviations more than I should I called it the
41:1841 minutes, 18 secondsSTP um treatments what I said we get we had to give the budget the oil treatment and we had to shrink it and then uh we
41:2841 minutes, 28 secondshad to tighten it and we had to prune it so we've done that so the handout that
41:3441 minutes, 34 secondsyou have tonight is where we are and so in the original budget all programs honored all positions honored in the
41:4341 minutes, 43 secondsoriginal budget we were uh uh $2.7
41:5041 minutes, 50 secondsmillion above the 2.2 and we have that down to 7 $
41:5941 minutes, 59 seconds49,3 66 I'm trying to get get exess of the
42:0542 minutes, 5 seconds2.2 in excess of the 2.2 so we been uh a week of going through that
42:1342 minutes, 13 secondsprocess and we went line item by line item uh in the budget uh the the uh the
42:2142 minutes, 21 secondsfirst thing we did to adjust the budget to something that something that is manageable was we decreased the 5%
42:3042 minutes, 30 secondsacross the board compensation to a 4% across the board compensation uh the uh the new budget
42:4042 minutes, 40 secondsdoes not in include the aware program which is like a
42:4542 minutes, 45 seconds$36,000 uh uh cost each year uh aware is is a valuable program but it's not
42:5442 minutes, 54 secondsincluded because to shrink from 2.7 over to
43:0243 minutes, 2 seconds749000 yeah it's a huge gap it's a huge gap and this this budget
43:0943 minutes, 9 secondsuh uh is tighter than what the school district has traditionally
43:1743 minutes, 17 secondsuh had that uh we we we the I I want to say this this this
43:2443 minutes, 24 secondsbudget also reflects um um the new budget that's
43:3043 minutes, 30 seconds749000 above the 2.2 it reflects uh positions where people are retiring and
43:3743 minutes, 37 secondswe feel like we don't have to replace those people it reflects uh it reflects
43:4543 minutes, 45 secondsuh positions where people are resigning and we don't have to replace those
43:5143 minutes, 51 secondspeople uh and it also reflects I believe three uh positions in which um there is likely
44:0144 minutes, 1 secondto be a non-renewal because of performance so it so there is no in this budget tonight that is that is
44:1244 minutes, 12 seconds$749,500 there is no what I call riff when you get in a situation where you don't have enough money to pay valuable
44:2144 minutes, 21 secondsemployees you start reducing your labor force because of economic reasons I I I I turn I terminate that is a reduction
44:2844 minutes, 28 secondsin forc this budget tonight at
44:5644 minutes, 56 seconds$749,500 to be a counselor from from within our school district into that counselor job and hiring from within
45:0245 minutes, 2 secondswill save us the salary and then like I said it has three positions where I've had conversations with principles and
45:1045 minutes, 10 secondswe're expecting uh non-renewals due to performances and not replac uh yes yes
45:1945 minutes, 19 secondsyes um correct what is you know taking all the what you're what you're talking about the N no plus the retirements Etc
45:2745 minutes, 27 secondsWhat's the total redu total number of heads head count reduction uh I I would say seven right now does
45:3645 minutes, 36 secondsthat include the four or however May in aware 11 so 11 if you include the aware
45:4245 minutes, 42 secondsyes yes yes okay and then and then uh we
45:5045 minutes, 50 secondsare this is a process and it's it's it's not a process that's filled with joy but
45:5945 minutes, 59 secondsit but it's an important process to keep this school district uh physically sound and uh we're not through with the
46:0746 minutes, 7 secondsprocess I mean the the the the process runs parallel to Staffing decisions that
46:1446 minutes, 14 secondshave to be made in May with principles and and and I and we're not through with that there are there are some Esser
46:2246 minutes, 22 secondspeople that uh there are some people in Esser that will be moved into the general fund there are some people in Esser that will
46:3046 minutes, 30 secondsbe moved into Federal programs such as title so we haven't completely uh we haven't
46:3746 minutes, 37 secondscompletely uh accomplished everything we need to accomplish with the budget I will give you I I really don't want to single people out tonight but but but
46:4746 minutes, 47 secondswell it's hard not to to make up my point we have two stem teachers science technology uh
46:5546 minutes, 55 secondsmath in in our intermediate schools and both of those programs are are good programs and both of them are vibrant and both of them are are 10e teachers
47:0447 minutes, 4 secondsthey they were tenur Hickman County Teachers before they went to do stem those ladies have to have a job and this
47:1147 minutes, 11 secondsbudget tonight does not has not we have not addressed them CU so what I'm saying
47:1847 minutes, 18 secondsto you is there are a few people in Esser who uh so they were those were as position yes yes some some of those
47:2647 minutes, 26 secondspeople are are not going to be with us and some have to be with us those two tenure teachers we we have to find them
47:3347 minutes, 33 secondsjobs and uh and so we're still in the process of doing this I think the I
47:3947 minutes, 39 secondsthink to me the big question tonight is this last year the board told us that we
47:4747 minutes, 47 secondscould dip $2.2 million into the reserve our projection tonight is that we're going to dip $1.1
47:5647 minutes, 56 secondsmillion so our our dip into the reserve in this fiscal year in which we are in is
48:0448 minutes, 4 seconds50% what what we thought it was going to be and um we did that uh by postponing
48:1448 minutes, 14 secondssome uh capital projects it seemed like in the past here we we've been really uh aggressive with
48:2348 minutes, 23 secondscapital projects and uh so we post and one one Capital project we we just took
48:3048 minutes, 30 secondsoff the it was like resealing the brick at East hman Middle School and it didn't we really didn't think it need to be
48:3848 minutes, 38 secondsresealed we didn't have we don't have any water coming in the building so we saved a lot of that through capital
48:4448 minutes, 44 secondsprojects and uh but here we sit tonight and we and I really
48:5048 minutes, 50 secondsappreciate uh Mr Willis approach to this because it is as a superintendent it is the approach that I have had in
48:5848 minutes, 58 secondsthe past the boore says this is what this is what we can do and and then you figure out how to do it in the best way possible and at some point this week uh
49:0849 minutes, 8 secondsBenjamin Franklin once said two people can keep a secret if if one has deceased and uh so uh at some point in this week
49:1749 minutes, 17 secondsword started leaking out of this building as we as we've met with department heads and as and as we met
49:2449 minutes, 24 secondswith direct uh supervisors as we're started leaking out of this building look that that we're in a bit of a
49:3149 minutes, 31 secondsbudget challenge but we haven't denied that we have said all along Esser is ending we have declining enrollment
49:3749 minutes, 37 secondsaware grants ending so so I I sent an email just to let people know that where
49:4549 minutes, 45 secondswe are and we're dealing with it and uh and and and in the email the priorities need to
49:5249 minutes, 52 secondsbe safety and instruction and uh so but here's where we are right now out we we have
50:0050 minutes$749,000 uh $366 above the the above the uh 2.2 if
50:0750 minutes, 7 secondsyou tell us the 2.2 is it then we are going to
50:1450 minutes, 14 secondshave to subtract another $749,500 to 3% and that would save us
50:2650 minutes, 26 secondsabout 200 $100,000 I was going to ask how much that would 200,000 but after that after that after what we've done to
50:3450 minutes, 34 secondsthis budget uh it it's going to have to be Personnel Cuts so of the
50:4250 minutes, 42 seconds$750,000 we take off the $200,000 by reducing the pay raise and and we don't like the idea of reducing the pay raise because the whole point of the pay raise
50:5150 minutes, 51 secondsis to is to uh keep us semi-competitive with other districts people here make a little less I mean we know that and I'm
51:0051 minutesnot complaining I'm just stating the fact uh but after we take that $200,000 off because of a 1% decrease uh you you
51:1051 minutes, 10 secondsyou basically are talking about eight instructional positions or
51:1851 minutes, 18 secondsuh always let's say a teacher about what a teacher makes you you have to multiply that time
51:2751 minutes, 27 seconds1.3 to get the cost to the district because we have to pay their retirement we have to pay their health insurance we
51:3551 minutes, 35 secondshave to pay social security match to the federal government so so we we as a number Mr Elkins and I agreed with this
51:4351 minutes, 43 secondsnumber of teachers $770,000 cost now teachers are not making $70,000 there is not a teacher in this District making
51:5151 minutes, 51 seconds$70,000 I want to be clear about that but the cost to the district is $70,000 so when we get to 550 we're talking
51:5951 minutes, 59 secondsabout eight teachers an aid makes about $40,000 when you factor in the cost there's not an aid in this District
52:0752 minutes, 7 secondsmaking $40,000 but by the time you multiply their salary it's going to be$ 35 $40,000 35,000 for a so you're talking about
52:1652 minutes, 16 secondseither cutting eight teachers or 16 AIDS and um it so that's where we are we're
52:2352 minutes, 23 secondsat $749,999 well we should review the capital list I mean are there are there school buses or
52:3252 minutes, 32 secondssomething were we planning to buy school buses again uh yes this the budget that you received
52:3852 minutes, 38 secondselectronically uh last Friday as part of the board packet I had a
52:4552 minutes, 45 seconds$500,000 uh uh expected expenditure for buses the budget that you have in front
52:5252 minutes, 52 secondsof you tonight has one bus that it went from three buses to one cut that back yes yes and part of the 2
53:0053 minutesmillion is part of that saving yeah 300 thou three $300,000 of it was a Weare I mean we cut
53:0853 minutes, 8 secondseverything we went Mr Elkins and I literally have um mrus looked at me funny when I drugg that table in his
53:1553 minutes, 15 secondsoffice but he and I have been been in his office and we literally went over every item in this budget and and we cut
53:2353 minutes, 23 secondswhere we now C can we can we sustain our Fleet by buying one bus a year no we
53:3053 minutes, 30 secondscannot we cannot sustain the fleet by buying one bus for per year but we are in a difficult position this year so
53:3953 minutes, 39 secondsthis year the recommendation in the budget is to buy uh one school bus so You' mentioned before that our
53:4653 minutes, 46 secondsenrollment was down I think around 200 student I think I misspoke when it's all said and done it was not 200 but the
53:5353 minutes, 53 secondsenrollment was down so so sorry I just want that thought so there there's some expectation that if you
54:0154 minutes, 1 secondhave fewer students you need fewer teachers right so yes and there's the is the 11 well I guess how many was it
54:0954 minutes, 9 secondsbefore where it seven seven yeah so is the seven proportional to that reduction
54:1854 minutes, 18 secondsstudents is that is that what it is uh well the this the the seven came about
54:2654 minutes, 26 secondsbecause some people retired and we said this how can we how can we carry on and teach those courses and and then the
54:3454 minutes, 34 secondsthree are for uh performance purposes uh we we can we we can still uh make a
54:4554 minutes, 45 secondsfew additional cuts and not hurt our instructional program I want to say this too if you have less students you also
54:5254 minutes, 52 secondsshould have less bus rounds so M so Mr George amiably and professionally said that he's going to look for a way to cut
55:0055 minutesa bus R and I mean I mean we are trying to approach this as fairly and as efficiently as we can go ahead I just
55:1055 minutes, 10 secondsGNA ask I saw that the title increased 12 yes was that what was the reason for
55:1655 minutes, 16 secondsthat a a a very a very uh part of it is
55:2155 minutes, 21 secondsa very frustrating reason uh the uh part of the reason title decreased was
55:2955 minutes, 29 secondsbecause we have less students and the and your student population drives your federal program allocations but then
55:3655 minutes, 36 secondslisten to this uh the United States census says that less 20% there's there
55:4555 minutes, 45 secondsis a part of the title program called Title Five Part B that is for Rural school districts we got
55:5455 minutes, 54 seconds$90,000 last year in title five part B well Title 5 part B is driven by poverty
56:0156 minutes, 1 secondin your in your county for students who are between six and 17 years old and our
56:0856 minutes, 8 secondspoverty for our students in this County went under 20% and we lost our Title
56:1556 minutes, 15 secondsFive Part B the ironic thing is the uh poverty in our school district has
56:2256 minutes, 22 secondsincreased so to to me the fair thing would be to look at the poverty inside the school district there are lots of
56:3056 minutes, 30 secondspeople in this County uh especially over in the Duck River area that send their children to uh Zion or Columbia Academy
56:3956 minutes, 39 secondsand those children are not living in poverty so the federal government uses United States Postal data to to uh
56:4756 minutes, 47 secondsdetermine whether you get Title Five Part B and our poverty rate went from above 20% to
56:5356 minutes, 53 seconds19.4 so 19.4 4% of the children in this County between age 16 and 17 are in
57:0357 minutes, 3 secondspoverty but in our school district that rate is closer to 35 35% that's and how do you get that
57:1157 minutes, 11 secondspercentage is that from paperwor they turn in it's from the United States census is how they got that percent
57:1757 minutes, 17 secondsCensus Data from 2020 and then they bring in tax return data from the
57:2457 minutes, 24 secondsfollowing years to make so we lost so we lost $90,000 also our property insurance
57:3157 minutes, 31 secondsthe insurance for all of our buildings and all of our property including uh our school buses and our Fleet of vehicles
57:4057 minutes, 40 secondswent up 177% how they get accurate data for the during 2020 that was during the
57:4957 minutes, 49 secondswhole covid outbreak like they weren't going door to door they care that's that's what they they ask us they have
57:5957 minutes, 59 secondsstart done doing this sand plane on that which so so we took we took uh we took
58:0858 minutes, 8 seconds$120,000 loss in our federal programs and then we have how much the insurance went up how much 85 uh basically about
58:1758 minutes, 17 seconds60 or 70,000 now we had cushion in those lines originally so we didn't have to
58:2458 minutes, 24 secondschange some of the lines it'll s absorb it but that amount of expenditure insurance for all of our
58:3258 minutes, 32 secondsbuildings all of our buses all of our cars all all that right yeah anything else and workers comp workers
58:4158 minutes, 41 secondscomp and that and that and that insurance is through a Consortium of school districts Tennessee R risk management which is supposed to be
58:4958 minutes, 49 secondscheaper yeah it's cheaper than it's cheaper than buying it on the open market school districts pull their money but but whenever school districts
58:5858 minutes, 58 secondsexperience uh disasters like if if a huge School Burns somewhere in West Tennessee then our
59:0559 minutes, 5 secondsrates are going to be impacted uh and I and according to the gentleman's name what's his
59:1159 minutes, 11 secondsname uh he he he's anyway he said that uh they've had a lot of tornado damage
59:1859 minutes, 18 secondsuh to schools and he said he also said this this is to I'll be totally IR relent he said the new Modern Trend is to put three schools close together and
59:2759 minutes, 27 secondsthen if a storm hits you got three schools being damaged instead of one so people will build a really nice high school and a really nice Middle School
59:3659 minutes, 36 secondswe have uh one place where we have three schools real close together we have two places where we have two schools real
59:4459 minutes, 44 secondsclose together so he said that trend is whenever tornado is H has been more expensive so we're at 700 uh
59:5259 minutes, 52 seconds749000 so so we I had some some notes and a spreadsheet from one we met last time it was just about fund balance and
1:00:001 hourhow much we were expecting to dip so what I have here is that 2024 budget for the budget we just finished we started
1:00:091 hour, 9 secondswith 9.1 these are approximate numbers expected to dip 2.2 and we sounds like we actually dipped
1:00:171 hour, 17 seconds1.1 current projection another I think one one's going to be
1:00:241 hour, 24 secondsthe highend so so then Finly lower so then that you know that just brings
1:00:301 hour, 30 secondsour you know our uh fund balance down to eight um then if
1:00:381 hour, 38 secondswe if I plug in you know 2.9 and then I I what I just did because it happens to be half I said let's say we the actual
1:00:471 hour, 47 secondsdip is half of what we project it's just rough numbers you know that would put us that would mean in 2026 our fund balance
1:00:561 hour, 56 secondswould be down to 6.5 um so the the point of this is that we could do
1:01:051 hour, 1 minute, 5 seconds2.9 like we could say yeah let's go with it this year
1:01:111 hour, 1 minute, 11 secondsyeah but we have to taper it down over a few years yeah because we and we need to
1:01:211 hour, 1 minute, 21 secondslike make that move slowly as we ramp on our our total fund
1:01:281 hour, 1 minute, 28 secondsdown so I I mean I think just what I've heard so far I think John you've done a a great job
1:01:361 hour, 1 minute, 36 secondsyou done exactly what we asked you to do well I could have done it without Mr Perfect I mean you when I say you you and your team thank you say it's it's
1:01:441 hour, 1 minute, 44 secondsit's exactly what we wanted you to do um it sounds like you just from what you described that
1:01:541 hour, 1 minute, 54 secondsyou you adequate took a knife to it very much so you know and and
1:02:011 hour, 2 minutes, 1 secondand and I don't I don't you know I don't like the idea of not giving our you know teachers a good raise I think that's important the last thing we want to do
1:02:091 hour, 2 minutes, 9 secondsis lose our teacher losing absolutely you don't think we ought to go four to three that what you're advocated well
1:02:171 hour, 2 minutes, 17 secondswell okay so let's say we did 2.9 then next year at this time we'd be looking at uh and then then we actually
1:02:261 hour, 2 minutes, 26 secondsdid 1.45 right just according to this little spreadsheet I mean next year a fund balance will be 6.5 million and then this is something you
1:02:351 hour, 2 minutes, 35 secondsknow then then what are we going to do so if we keep doing 2 point like for example if I put in 2.9 let's say we did
1:02:421 hour, 2 minutes, 42 seconds2.9 every year from now on I can tell you that the last year we'll ever do that will be 2029 well life it are not
1:02:501 hour, 2 minutes, 50 secondsand in 2030 we're going to go zero into fund balance because there won't be any left we can't you know what I mean so we
1:02:591 hour, 2 minutes, 59 secondsgot we got $500,000 tied up in cap 2 point something tied up and yeah
1:03:061 hour, 3 minutes, 6 secondswe we can't take it we can't tell scary if they had I mean p got sh so we kind of rolled that into there when they were
1:03:151 hour, 3 minutes, 15 secondslunches were being paid for and they got behind M may I speak to that yes sir
1:03:241 hour, 3 minutes, 24 secondsum have like uh a couple a couple of thoughts
1:03:321 hour, 3 minutes, 32 secondsand the first thing I like where you're thinking but I
1:03:401 hour, 3 minutes, 40 secondsbut I need to I need to be very straightforward with you as your director of schools I don't think that
1:03:491 hour, 3 minutes, 49 secondsif we go 2.9 I don't think we will be sitting here at 1.45 next year because we have really really tighten this
1:03:561 hour, 3 minutes, 56 secondsbudget right yeah that's fair yeah it's it's a total guess right it is but just by the fact
1:04:041 hour, 4 minutes, 4 secondsthat but this is a more tight budget than traditionally has been in Hitman count Scopes so that's that's and I I
1:04:121 hour, 4 minutes, 12 secondslike your idea of doing that and I understand you're concerned about it at some point in time you can't just keep doing that but now yeah the other thing
1:04:211 hour, 4 minutes, 21 secondsis um I I told you if you if you if you say to
1:04:291 hour, 4 minutes, 29 secondsus 2.2 that's it you're the board it's your budget we're we're going to get you to 2.2 I told you the way to get to 2.2
1:04:371 hour, 4 minutes, 37 secondswould be 4% raise goes to 3% 200200 ,000 savings and then the rest would be
1:04:461 hour, 4 minutes, 46 secondsPersonnel the the one thing that I didn't I didn't bring there's several things but one thing I did not bring to
1:04:521 hour, 4 minutes, 52 secondsthe a table is this we can charge the cafeteria indirect
1:05:001 hour, 5 minutescost we are we are not currently charging the the lunchroom indirect costs our lunchroom program right now
1:05:081 hour, 5 minutes, 8 secondshas a healthy balance in the past what Mr Hobbs was referring to at one point
1:05:141 hour, 5 minutes, 14 secondsin the past the lunchroom program was uh had to get a $500,000 loan from the general fund
1:05:231 hour, 5 minutes, 23 secondsthat's what you're talking about so we in charge the lunchroom program indirect costs at at some of our schools the
1:05:321 hour, 5 minutes, 32 secondsgeneral fund is paying the utility bills of the lunchroom so I I'm Mak I have reached
1:05:401 hour, 5 minutes, 40 secondsout to people in the lunchroom uh at the state department in Nashville and uh the gentleman had that that when did this
1:05:491 hour, 5 minutes, 49 secondsconcept come up yesterday yes yesterday I asked Mr Elkins have we ever charged indirect calls in my previous history we
1:05:581 hour, 5 minutes, 58 secondshave charge indir cost the lunch the lunchroom uh is working with Antiquated
1:06:051 hour, 6 minutes, 5 secondsequipment in many places and and while we have this Surplus we we probably need to replace some equipment and we
1:06:111 hour, 6 minutes, 11 secondsprobably don't need to be really aggressive uh with uh charging indirect costs but for every
1:06:191 hour, 6 minutes, 19 seconds$7,000 we charge for indirect costs we save a teacher unit so so we are explo in the possibility of charging the
1:06:281 hour, 6 minutes, 28 secondslunchroom indirect cost that 500,000 I asked last year on that and of
1:06:361 hour, 6 minutes, 36 secondscourse finally found the resolution and all that that showed it but I was told that they in order to pay the bills we
1:06:451 hour, 6 minutes, 45 secondshave to dip into that and that's why we should not mess with that $500,000 that's what I was thinking I thought that was really more of a cash flow
1:06:541 hour, 6 minutes, 54 secondsissue I thought it's a buffer it's a buffer to keep from because we cannot go in the negative balance on the
1:07:011 hour, 7 minutes, 1 secondgovernment BR that government that's what I was told it's better now than it was when we did that yeah of course I never did get the exact amount how much
1:07:091 hour, 7 minutes, 9 secondswe dip into it I mean well may I speak to that please yes sir our lunchrooms
1:07:151 hour, 7 minutes, 15 secondsare more profitable today than they have been in a long long time because what
1:07:231 hour, 7 minutes, 23 secondswhat what uh uh sharing and with Mr Elkin's help what what what they were able to do was at Christmas time this
1:07:321 hour, 7 minutes, 32 secondsyear we got where every child can eat every meal in the county free of charge for the next three years and we're getting reimbursed uh at a generous rate
1:07:411 hour, 7 minutes, 41 secondsfor that so the lunchrooms are making money uh I believe that the lunchrooms have to have a three-month balance and I
1:07:481 hour, 7 minutes, 48 secondsbelieve that three-month balance is uh what would what would you think that three- Monon balance would be uh8
1:07:551 hour, 7 minutes, 55 seconds100,000 yeah and and the lunchroom has a the lunchroom has a current uh surplus
1:08:031 hour, 8 minutes, 3 secondsof about a million dollars so there there is there is a way to use that
1:08:121 hour, 8 minutes, 12 secondsopportunity with indirect costs to portion of utilities per School Char a
1:08:191 hour, 8 minutes, 19 secondspercentage Yeah Yeah Yeah so the so the clunch rooms have their own talance they have their own
1:08:261 hour, 8 minutes, 26 secondsthe lunch room yes have their own bank account yes number this one we have Federal 140
1:08:351 hour, 8 minutes, 35 seconds143 oh that's right yeah yeah saying you could if you could get
1:08:441 hour, 8 minutes, 44 seconds$70,000 or $100,000 for for that that would go toward
1:08:501 hour, 8 minutes, 50 secondsteacher brings that 2.9 down a revenue source for would be it would like it
1:08:571 hour, 8 minutes, 57 secondswould be a revenue source to pay the utility bills for the lunchroom which in some La rooms those bills are currently
1:09:051 hour, 9 minutes, 5 secondsbeing paid from general fund yes it would it would alleviate an general fund expenditure which frees money up to do
1:09:131 hour, 9 minutes, 13 secondssomething to to do something else well it it brings that 2.9 down right yes that's kind of what you're trying to you got 2.2 the gold
1:09:221 hour, 9 minutes, 22 secondsyeah we have 749000 I mean 100,000 would 100,000 Would Still Still allow it would still
1:09:301 hour, 9 minutes, 30 secondsallow the lunch room to purchase some equipment that is much needed and is 14% of the 749 th000 that we need to reduce
1:09:401 hour, 9 minutes, 40 secondsif if you stay at 2.2 I I am concerned that just just in the
1:09:481 hour, 9 minutes, 48 secondsfuture I just wonder how we're going to well what are we going to do in years get better next seeing next year where
1:09:581 hour, 9 minutes, 58 secondsis is is this trend we're looking at Trends here is we thinking this Trends not going to be is it I miss something
1:10:071 hour, 10 minutes, 7 secondsyou like are we expecting more students next year or are we expecting to get some of this money back or expecting more pie of money I mean I mean over I
1:10:161 hour, 10 minutes, 16 secondsdon't see it I just don't see where it's or are we going if we're losing we' been buying paying capital projects out of erer we get some expect unexpected this
1:10:251 hour, 10 minutes, 25 secondsCapal project this coming year we're not looking for I just see a lot of negatives you know or or are we planning
1:10:331 hour, 10 minutes, 33 secondson just continuing as people retire to just not not replace them do we have a chunk of people that are going to retire
1:10:421 hour, 10 minutes, 42 secondsnext year no I don't know about next year I yeah that's something I'm like you I I
1:10:491 hour, 10 minutes, 49 secondsdon't like the idea we can't go on we know that in perpetuity but and I do like being able to okay can we pull
1:10:571 hour, 10 minutes, 57 secondssomething from next year and then cut it next year and and are there and this is a terrible question I'll probably get
1:11:041 hour, 11 minutes, 4 secondsston when come out of here but have we looked at it granular enough to say starting next year going forward this
1:11:131 hour, 11 minutes, 13 secondsparticular program we just can't do it anymore in other words let can we concentrate on doing the things that we do well better and some of the things we
1:11:221 hour, 11 minutes, 22 secondsdon't do as good let's let's stop do this and I it's not nice to say I'm just
1:11:301 hour, 11 minutes, 30 secondswondering if that's is even even if we did 2.2 this
1:11:371 hour, 11 minutes, 37 secondsyear next year it needs to be like 1.8 then year after that need to like 1 I
1:11:431 hour, 11 minutes, 43 secondsknow that's what I'm saying the stuff need to Trend in the other direction over time how we going to do unforunately we
1:11:521 hour, 11 minutes, 52 secondshave to get teachers PID up to $50,000 yeah the uh the 4% the 4% puts us on track the 4% also
1:12:021 hour, 12 minutes, 2 secondsgets us above what the state minimum has to be uh 3% would get us above that too uh that because what we did last year we
1:12:111 hour, 12 minutes, 11 secondsgot ahead of it last year a little bit uh two thoughts we got to stop the the
1:12:181 hour, 12 minutes, 18 secondsthe the bleeding is the loss of students yeah that's the bleeding and we and we you have to stop that and we have to
1:12:261 hour, 12 minutes, 26 secondsstop that uh by being a better school district by being a school district where
1:12:351 hour, 12 minutes, 35 secondspeople students feel respected by they feel safe and by being a better school district that serve children well in
1:12:431 hour, 12 minutes, 43 secondsevery every programing uh way including instruction
1:12:511 hour, 12 minutes, 51 secondsthat's that that's I mean there's 500 children in this County that don't go to Hitman County School 500 times
1:12:581 hour, 12 minutes, 58 secondsuhon 7,000 yeah yeah so that's that's one thing and the other thing and
1:13:061 hour, 13 minutes, 6 secondsand this is sensitive but it's it's a reality in 10 years property
1:13:141 hour, 13 minutes, 14 secondstax given to the school district has gone up
1:13:221 hour, 13 minutes, 22 seconds2% 2% now just think what labor costs have done in 10 years so with with this raise a starting
1:13:311 hour, 13 minutes, 31 secondsteacher is going to make about $47,000 if it with a 4% raise 10 years ago I've had a starting teacher didn't
1:13:391 hour, 13 minutes, 39 secondsmake $336,000 I mean so I we are just like your
1:13:471 hour, 13 minutes, 47 secondshome at your home your insurance costs are going up your food costs are going up your uh I mean your fuel cost
1:13:561 hour, 13 minutes, 56 secondseverything everything we do a bus is costing us $50,000 I mean $150,000 10 years ago that bus probably
1:14:051 hour, 14 minutes, 5 secondscost $110,000 $105,000 things are getting more the things are getting more and more
1:14:141 hour, 14 minutes, 14 secondsexpensive yes we are getting more sales tax as a school
1:14:191 hour, 14 minutes, 19 secondsdistrict so uh I I think the key to us
1:14:261 hour, 14 minutes, 26 secondsbeing able to weather the storm is to become a better school district agree I agree and if we become a better school
1:14:331 hour, 14 minutes, 33 secondsdistrict some of those people are going to when their child gets in kindergarten they're going to opt to come with us and
1:14:401 hour, 14 minutes, 40 secondssome people may come back to us the the the state funding mechanism is
1:14:471 hour, 14 minutes, 47 secondsdriven by uh is driven by enrollment now we're doing some things next year to help ourselves you get more money for
1:14:561 hour, 14 minutes, 56 secondschildren when they are in Career Tech programs so we are implementing Career Tech programs in
1:15:031 hour, 15 minutes, 3 secondssixth through eth grade uh Mr Mr uh Chilton brought this
1:15:101 hour, 15 minutes, 10 secondsbought this module lab that is very uh lets children explore what career they're going to be in all of our middle school students are going to be involved
1:15:191 hour, 15 minutes, 19 secondsin Career Tech which is going to increase our Tissa funding next year well we get that full 5,000 like we're
1:15:271 hour, 15 minutes, 27 secondsgetting now for I mean it's 5,000 more what we heard tsba I don't know that because those students will not be in
1:15:351 hour, 15 minutes, 35 secondsthere full year it's it's like a course where they go in for part of the year and come out and that's how we that's how we get them all in there Mr Chilton
1:15:431 hour, 15 minutes, 43 secondswould probably be able to answer that better but uh we've had programs back years ago class called veride technology
1:15:521 hour, 15 minutes, 52 secondsand which was a module class and it was done that High School level and the kids came in two per module and they stayed a
1:15:591 hour, 15 minutes, 59 secondstotal of two weeks and then they rotated to another mod that's what this was be simp and then that kind of went away
1:16:051 hour, 16 minutes, 5 secondswell well all that equipment that I mean I've buil a Class C class and they just said well we're going to give it to the
1:16:141 hour, 16 minutes, 14 secondsmiddle school and they did and they just kind of let it go well you know that we we've been meeting with
1:16:211 hour, 16 minutes, 21 secondsprincipes I met with both uh Middle School principls Dr Anderson was part of that meeting uh and we are and we
1:16:291 hour, 16 minutes, 29 secondsare implementing Career Tech and and and and here's the reality too what what uh Mr hudgin said we have a a lot of Career
1:16:391 hour, 16 minutes, 39 secondsTech programs and we have strong Career Tech programs and Career Tech matches our clientele I mean there there are
1:16:471 hour, 16 minutes, 47 secondshardworking people here that uh I I I bet you there's more HVAC people per
1:16:541 hour, 16 minutes, 54 secondscapita in Hickman County you see them all the time they and I'm not knocking them I've saying these people are
1:17:031 hour, 17 minutes, 3 secondsmaking you that's what I'm saying you see them going you see Lee you see all those trucks going up 100 and uh and there's a couple guys that that are here
1:17:111 hour, 17 minutes, 11 secondsthat own these businesses these these young people with the HVAC certificate from teat are making twice the money
1:17:191 hour, 17 minutes, 19 secondsthat a starting teachers make so I mean it's it's very good but the point out trying to make is as our enrollment
1:17:271 hour, 17 minutes, 27 secondsdeclines our enrollment in these Career Tech programs has declined we went to a six period Day part of the going to a
1:17:371 hour, 17 minutes, 37 secondssix period day at the high school is to give a child a another period to take another Career Tech class or to take the
1:17:451 hour, 17 minutes, 45 secondsfirst Career Tech class that will allow that child to bring us additional income you know I was at East hman High School
1:17:541 hour, 17 minutes, 54 secondsthis this week in the assistant principal I said how's the sixth period everybody hasn't been excited about the sixth period I'll just be honest about
1:18:011 hour, 18 minutes, 1 secondthat I'm aware of that but she told me she said I've had several kids say I'm really excited because I can play football and still take a Career Tech
1:18:101 hour, 18 minutes, 10 secondsclass and that Career Tech class is going to bring this District additional funding so we are trying everywhere
1:18:171 hour, 18 minutes, 17 secondswe're trying both on both ends every way we can to increase the funding uh and
1:18:241 hour, 18 minutes, 24 secondswe're trying to reduce the expenditures but in the end we we we have to uh
1:18:321 hour, 18 minutes, 32 secondsreverse the trend of losing student population so that's our plan our plan so that's what we got to work on as a
1:18:381 hour, 18 minutes, 38 secondsscho dist yes yes um I saw in an email that the governor is expected to put
1:18:461 hour, 18 minutes, 46 secondssome money in you know for you know I don't that that still hasn't come come out the email we got that told about uh
1:18:531 hour, 18 minutes, 53 secondshow the voucher program was down for this year but it's going to come back and then there was still some talk about additional money that he's putting in
1:19:011 hour, 19 minutes, 1 secondthe budget for school is is any of that we don't know any of that so so there's a possibility that we could
1:19:101 hour, 19 minutes, 10 secondsreceive the last article I read said it was going to stay in the bank account
1:19:171 hour, 19 minutes, 17 secondsfor next year yeah hope it's $47 $145 million that they set
1:19:251 hour, 19 minutes, 25 secondsaside for vouchers but they left it in the budget knowing it wasn't going to be used so it will be there next year when
1:19:311 hour, 19 minutes, 31 secondsthe voucher Bill arises here's what happen what's happened this year that won't happen next year it's an election
1:19:391 hour, 19 minutes, 39 secondsyear next year there's not an election that bill will go through them next year probably here's another thing too I
1:19:481 hour, 19 minutes, 48 secondsdon't know if we thought about that you know the Title Nine a lot of that stuff is going to go in some of that stuff is going into effect in August and that may
1:19:581 hour, 19 minutes, 58 secondsnegatively impact kids I mean parents sending kids I mean just yeah
1:20:051 hour, 20 minutes, 5 secondsrealistically um Florida Governor Florida and Oklahoma told the schools that disregarded that IND
1:20:121 hour, 20 minutes, 12 secondsnews I don't know yeah title n yeah Title Nine regulations were uh recently
1:20:201 hour, 20 minutes, 20 secondschanged that uh LAN for more rights for transgender students and and and but but
1:20:291 hour, 20 minutes, 29 secondsI'm but I will I want to say this that is not who we are as Hickman County that's that's not what is that's not how
1:20:361 hour, 20 minutes, 36 secondswe operate we have we follow the law in every instance but our schools reflect the community this this
1:20:451 hour, 20 minutes, 45 secondsis a good Community this is a hardworking community of people and that's what our schools reflect but but you're absolutely right somebody it will
1:20:541 hour, 20 minutes, 54 secondsget t yes it will so I noticed I notic just flipping through here we added I think
1:21:011 hour, 21 minutes, 1 secondit was last year several medical positions nurse positions did we yes we have we oh yes we like doubl
1:21:101 hour, 21 minutes, 10 secondsthe size of our we have a nurse per school which we did fill them all yes we did and and that was that was a good
1:21:181 hour, 21 minutes, 18 secondsthing that we did well I say if we hadn't buil them all that no position we had that's not our money
1:21:251 hour, 21 minutes, 25 secondssafety money that's the 2s at T yeah there in in the new budget you have tonight uh in last year's budget we had
1:21:341 hour, 21 minutes, 34 seconds$50,000 because when that budget was created we we were we were partnering with the town of Centerville for sro's
1:21:421 hour, 21 minutes, 42 secondsbut now the safety uh the law that passed pays the town of Centerville for those SRO so we reaped a
1:21:511 hour, 21 minutes, 51 seconds$50,000 Savings of expenditure because we no longer have to underwrite the cost of
1:21:571 hour, 21 minutes, 57 secondssro's what about the Spanish program um Spanish program last year was a huge
1:22:031 hour, 22 minutes, 3 secondscost to us we had to pay $65,000 uh at both schools to get a
1:22:111 hour, 22 minutes, 11 secondscurriculum to get teachers to teach on the screen and then we also had to pay
1:22:181 hour, 22 minutes, 18 secondsuh facilitators at each School each facilitator made about $20,000 you multiply that
1:22:261 hour, 22 minutes, 26 secondstimes3 and and now and now we're at uh what what are we 26 yeah I mean it
1:22:341 hour, 22 minutes, 34 secondscost us about cost us so we paid basically 60 we paid
1:22:421 hour, 22 minutes, 42 seconds$190,000 to teach Spanish last year this next year we have found a lady born in Mexico City she's going to be certified
1:22:501 hour, 22 minutes, 50 secondsthis summer and then uh another lady um Miss Rodriguez is that her name Miss
1:22:571 hour, 22 minutes, 57 secondsElsa Rodriguez yes Miss Elsa was one of our facilitators this year she is going to be a facilitator next year at East
1:23:061 hour, 23 minutes, 6 secondstman High School she is going to receive instruction from the Spanish teacher Miss Cook at hickland County high school
1:23:151 hour, 23 minutes, 15 secondsso our Spanish cost for this next year is going from approximately $195,000 to approximately
1:23:261 hour, 23 minutes, 26 seconds$80,000 so we lowered our Spanish cost for next year about the math math we had to have math geometry
1:23:351 hour, 23 minutes, 35 secondsuh we could not we never found a geometry teacher uh we paid 65,000 plus a facilitator uh we hired a math teacher
1:23:451 hour, 23 minutes, 45 secondsyesterday who will teach geometry at e Sigman high school next year is there not some way that we can
1:23:521 hour, 23 minutes, 52 secondslegally par some and give them a stifen a bonus uh I mean
1:24:021 hour, 24 minutes, 2 secondswe we've tossed that idea around before because in essence you're playing two people on most the when you do it across
1:24:091 hour, 24 minutes, 9 secondsTV screen but not the way we're doing no we we did last year we had to we did it out of necessity but but and and uh but
1:24:181 hour, 24 minutes, 18 secondswe we feel good about that uh I have talked to uh uh Mr Gilbert and and Mr
1:24:261 hour, 24 minutes, 26 secondsShelton and we have the technology in place to do that and we feel good about both of our ladies Miss Cook and Miss Rod what about this might this might be
1:24:341 hour, 24 minutes, 34 secondsa crazy idea but is it possible there's there's certain things that that whatever we're teaching it's we're
1:24:421 hour, 24 minutes, 42 secondsduplicated let's say we're teaching at both high schools both Spanish for example because we had one Spanish
1:24:481 hour, 24 minutes, 48 secondsteacher at one of the two schools and set up our own TV that's what're that's what we're doing for Spain we can
1:24:571 hour, 24 minutes, 57 secondswe do it with anything else possibly possibly but U y'all probably know me well enough to
1:25:051 hour, 25 minutes, 5 secondsknow sometimes I can say too much there are going to be people in this District that are that are there are people already in this District that split time
1:25:141 hour, 25 minutes, 14 secondsbetween the two high schools and and there are there are going to be a couple of more people who
1:25:211 hour, 25 minutes, 21 secondsare going to be asked to split time and I I don't want to single anyone out and and because they need to hear that first
1:25:291 hour, 25 minutes, 29 secondsI think they probably know let's let's say this and I'm make up a hypothetical let's say we're teaching French at both
1:25:371 hour, 25 minutes, 37 secondshigh schools and uh and the French teacher at one of the schools resides and we figure up that we can
1:25:441 hour, 25 minutes, 44 secondslogistically ask the remaining French teacher of split time between the two high schools that saves us a salary so we have a couple of those that we
1:25:531 hour, 25 minutes, 53 secondshaven't gotten to yet yet that's what I'm saying about this we haven't gotten to all the Personnel moves that we need to make to finalize the budget what we
1:26:021 hour, 26 minutes, 2 secondsneed to decide tonight is what the board's bottom line is what the board's bottom line are are you are you
1:26:101 hour, 26 minutes, 10 secondscomfortable uh with the 7 m $749,999 extending it to 3.1 do you want
1:26:191 hour, 26 minutes, 19 secondsto go somewhere between that and 2.2 or do you want to say we can't keep doing this we're going to stay at 2.2 that's what y'all need to tell Mr Elkins and me
1:26:281 hour, 26 minutes, 28 secondsnow I'm I'm bad to repeat myself uh if uh if you stay at the 2.2 it's going to
1:26:351 hour, 26 minutes, 35 secondsrequire Personnel Cuts because other than some possible money from the lunch room program maybe
1:26:421 hour, 26 minutes, 42 seconds$100,000 other than possible uh reducing the teacher pay raise from 4% to 3% 200
1:26:491 hour, 26 minutes, 49 secondsit still is going to take a some person so um I got a couple
1:26:571 hour, 26 minutes, 57 secondsquestions on this sheet here so the the FY 2025 draft there's a number in that column and that's the one you initially
1:27:061 hour, 27 minutes, 6 secondsput together that I think that was that was twoo high right yeah okay and then the amended
1:27:121 hour, 27 minutes, 12 secondsbudget that's in 2024 is that current budget right now that's C it says draft two on it right no he he's just
1:27:201 hour, 27 minutes, 20 secondsasking 2024 budgeted and then the the FY 2025 draft is that the one that
1:27:291 hour, 27 minutes, 29 secondsis been reduced already the one that's been says draft two at the top at the head ah gotta draft two draft two is the
1:27:381 hour, 27 minutes, 38 secondsone that has us uh at the 74966 number so then I'm reading this right that capital outlay is 832 right
1:27:481 hour, 27 minutes, 48 secondsplus the bus so I made 154 bus oh okay I it's in
1:27:551 hour, 27 minutes, 55 secondsa second it's in a different it's in a different m a question for you sure
1:28:021 hour, 28 minutes, 2 secondssever of these have supervisor director um huge increases is that just one
1:28:091 hour, 28 minutes, 9 secondsperson that you have a increase for no the if if if the board says this is this
1:28:171 hour, 28 minutes, 17 secondsis if the board goes with a 4% across the board raise everybody's uh every
1:28:241 hour, 28 minutes, 24 secondsbody's raise will be 4% uh if there is a huge increase in one category there has to be more than one employee in that
1:28:321 hour, 28 minutes, 32 secondscategory is there a certain place where you're looking can I address that real quick so last year when we
1:28:401 hour, 28 minutes, 40 secondsbudgeted there were two positions that ended up coming to us that were not originally in the budget
1:28:491 hour, 28 minutes, 49 secondsso we did not alter our budget when they came in but we found places to put them and then we had to do a small budget
1:28:581 hour, 28 minutes, 58 secondsamendment in October or November we also with some of these supervisors depending on duties there's
1:29:061 hour, 29 minutes, 6 secondsone position where with some of their duties it has been able to partially be paid out of title
1:29:151 hour, 29 minutes, 15 secondsfive so yes he said Title 5 is going away so when you see those big changes in there it's where were're actually
1:29:251 hour, 29 minutes, 25 secondsbudgeting those people at their full salary in Title One and the positions
1:29:321 hour, 29 minutes, 32 secondsthat weren't originally in our original budget last year for example 72220 105 all let me look that 72 it's
1:29:421 hour, 29 minutes, 42 secondson P three $112,000 increase 12,600 I was looking at the 559 where's
1:29:511 hour, 29 minutes, 51 secondsthat 7221 at the top 221 yeah that's like it looks like a
1:29:591 hour, 29 minutes, 59 secondsdouble salary almost where first 105 top page
1:30:071 hour, 30 minutes, 7 secondsthree 72210 10 it is not a double C it
1:30:131 hour, 30 minutes, 13 secondsis that came in last year in
1:30:181 hour, 30 minutes, 18 secondsJuly new hire but was not the total Sou was not the original budget yeah just
1:30:271 hour, 30 minutes, 27 secondsone what we amended to get some money from somewhere else well well let's say so so what actual position is this well
1:30:341 hour, 30 minutes, 34 secondsI mean we hate to single people out but this what's the role though yeah well it's Dr andw it's
1:30:431 hour, 30 minutes, 43 secondsme and so he said really hard well I don't know about
1:30:511 hour, 30 minutes, 51 secondsthis one that we talked about about getting somebody in here to help Doom we we made
1:30:591 hour, 30 minutes, 59 secondsamendments to that but we amend the full amounts of the line item originally put it where it was supposed to it was
1:31:081 hour, 31 minutes, 8 secondsspread out with what we currently yeah and and that's not her salary her I mean she I mean it includes her salary and benefits the yeah so the budget the
1:31:171 hour, 31 minutes, 17 secondsbudget uh the budget was built before Dr Anderson came on board and and so this
1:31:241 hour, 31 minutes, 24 secondsyear we spread out her cost in different categories but this year she's here so we put them in one category and that's
1:31:321 hour, 31 minutes, 32 secondswhy that's why the numbers there it's just like another you'll find another one in there one of our
1:31:391 hour, 31 minutes, 39 secondssupervisors uh a third of their salary was paid out of title five and the title five was cut a third of that Sal was
1:31:481 hour, 31 minutes, 48 secondspaid out of title five and so we had to put so you'll find another one in there where it's going to be a big number the
1:31:541 hour, 31 minutes, 54 secondsattendant but probably yes yes the attendant salary the one it is but no
1:32:011 hour, 32 minutes, 1 secondthe the the budget is calling for 4% across the board um so something I want
1:32:081 hour, 32 minutes, 8 secondsto say something about 4% increase so I think John you said you know if we if we approved it we'd be approving a 4%
1:32:171 hour, 32 minutes, 17 secondsacross the board increase not necessarily we'd be purs we'd be approving a 4% total effect on payroll
1:32:261 hour, 32 minutes, 26 secondswhat we do with the salary schedules it's no this this is what the budget what we do with salary schedules we have
1:32:341 hour, 32 minutes, 34 secondsto vote on the salary schedules too well let me and that 4% doesn't have to be like if we if we find out we've got some folks who are more underpaid than others
1:32:431 hour, 32 minutes, 43 secondswe could balance that we always have um
1:32:481 hour, 32 minutes, 48 secondsThe Proposal is a 4% to all a 4% step race now and now what happens is with
1:32:571 hour, 32 minutes, 57 secondsthe first year teacher with the seconde teacher who's going from Step Zero to
1:33:031 hour, 33 minutes, 3 secondsstep one that 4% raise ends up being 6% because they're they're getting because
1:33:111 hour, 33 minutes, 11 secondsthey're here at Step Zero and then step two is being increased 4% so when you include the the value of the step plus
1:33:201 hour, 33 minutes, 20 secondsthe 4% they get a 6% raise so that step it it it it's actually more than a 4% raise because everybody here is on step
1:33:291 hour, 33 minutes, 29 secondsyeah right so what I'm saying is that when it comes time for us to develop the actual salary
1:33:351 hour, 33 minutes, 35 secondsschedules um we've done this in the past um you work you worked with us on this I
1:33:411 hour, 33 minutes, 41 secondsmean we we um didn't necessarily spread all that evenly across the all the different levels I mean we did some
1:33:511 hour, 33 minutes, 51 secondsanalyses to you know other surrounding counties and you know some areas we were paying higher or lower than others and
1:33:591 hour, 33 minutes, 59 secondswe we didn't do it just peanut butter spread even yeah well in the specific instance
1:34:061 hour, 34 minutes, 6 secondswas when we were looking at the comparison of our more veteran teachers in comparison
1:34:141 hour, 34 minutes, 14 secondsto what Williamson County and Murray County were doing to attract those 21-year teachers into their systems and
1:34:221 hour, 34 minutes, 22 secondswe addressed more aggressively that the veteran teachers because there was a as
1:34:291 hour, 34 minutes, 29 secondsmuch as an $18,000 difference uh between I remember our part but in most
1:34:381 hour, 34 minutes, 38 secondsyears when we've done increases we've done it to the staffs across the board
1:34:451 hour, 34 minutes, 45 secondsso we don't have to as well say it no so something like that the year that Mike's referring to again it was like the board strategically said we wanted
1:34:541 hour, 34 minutes, 54 secondswe want to do this certain thing with salary we want I think it was these higher level teachers we want to make pay for them more yeah U we actually are
1:35:021 hour, 35 minutes, 2 secondsmore competitive on the lower beginning end of the salary schedule than we are
1:35:091 hour, 35 minutes, 9 secondson the upper in and uh all I'm saying is it doesn't have to be it does if we do
1:35:171 hour, 35 minutes, 17 secondsthe board say well hey we want to just strategically do this or that or whatever salary schedules I mean we part of approving the budget is approving
1:35:261 hour, 35 minutes, 26 secondssalary schedules the specific salary schedules not just the percent um and that that'll come at some point in time
1:35:331 hour, 35 minutes, 33 secondsneeds to be but again for the sake of clarity what what is in this draft to is
1:35:401 hour, 35 minutes, 40 secondsa 4% step raise which will which will result for all employees more than 4% because they're enjoying another step
1:35:481 hour, 35 minutes, 48 secondsour our steps are Year bye but are steps in this you got cap
1:35:551 hour, 35 minutes, 55 secondsyes yes it so it takes into account their step and that increase to each step so it's not going to come back for
1:36:051 hour, 36 minutes, 5 secondshere when we approve this schedule and and I need to say this a flat
1:36:121 hour, 36 minutes, 12 secondsraise is um less fair to the people who make the
1:36:191 hour, 36 minutes, 19 secondsless sour and and last year the board adjusted that they they that's all I'm
1:36:281 hour, 36 minutes, 28 secondssaying we we done it yes yes we have and uh so we understand that and
1:36:361 hour, 36 minutes, 36 secondsuh that's painful and also cuz because we we we uh we have struggle we're
1:36:431 hour, 36 minutes, 43 secondsstruggling today we have to fix this and we we uh we don't have enough bus drivers I mean every just about every
1:36:531 hour, 36 minutes, 53 secondsday we we cannot run our every route at at the right amount of time we're running double routes we have been
1:37:011 hour, 37 minutes, 1 seconduh unfortunate to have lost two bus drivers uh We've gained some bus drivers
1:37:081 hour, 37 minutes, 8 secondsand we lost some bus drivers and uh I I I tell you one thing that uh will
1:37:171 hour, 37 minutes, 17 secondshelp us with bus drivers I've talked to other directors they passed a a motion that
1:37:251 hour, 37 minutes, 25 secondsbus drivers are to be considered full-time employees and then they start giving them health insurance day one and if
1:37:331 hour, 37 minutes, 33 secondsthey can do that in Lewis County we can do that in Hickman County the way it is now bus Har have to drive a
1:37:401 hour, 37 minutes, 40 secondsyear I mean the the to before they get health insurance and so at some point in time I
1:37:491 hour, 37 minutes, 49 secondswould like for the board to pass a motion that bus drivers are considered full-time employes and uh that would be hugely
1:37:571 hour, 37 minutes, 57 secondsimpactful to the budget because right most those you you don't have because not a lot of people want to drive School
1:38:061 hour, 38 minutes, 6 secondsBus somebody lot already been here getting well we do but Mr George uh has
1:38:141 hour, 38 minutes, 14 secondsworked hard to try to find drivers and we have three or four drivers in the pipeline to becoming bus drivers and I
1:38:211 hour, 38 minutes, 21 secondshave been his uh second recruiter in charge and I'm you know we're looking for bus
1:38:291 hour, 38 minutes, 29 secondsdrivers as part of it's just part of safety is have a bus driver every day at the same time
1:38:371 hour, 38 minutes, 37 secondspeople want to know that their kids going to get home at the same time or we have to keep kids at school I mean it happens all it happens a lot we we had a
1:38:451 hour, 38 minutes, 45 secondsvery fortunate first semester uh and we have people that we have a lot of Maintenance men and a lot of mechanics
1:38:531 hour, 38 minutes, 53 secondsboth of our mechanics Drive buses I mean we need bus drivers in the school teachers yes we have teachers and drive
1:39:001 hour, 39 minutesbus so so I I don't recall the specifics but there was a there was a topic a few
1:39:071 hour, 39 minutes, 7 secondsmonths ago about giving some group AR raise and I don't remember what it was I just remember saying we should discuss
1:39:151 hour, 39 minutes, 15 secondsit at budget time um and and and discuss all the raises that are going to happen at leg time and not outside of leg time out
1:39:221 hour, 39 minutes, 22 secondsthere what was that you remember uh I don't know okay you you guys remember I will I
1:39:311 hour, 39 minutes, 31 secondsthink the only thing I asked for was if there was a way to give like stiens to the bus
1:39:391 hour, 39 minutes, 39 secondsdrivers and um assistance and that that are still considered part-time that can't get insurance for year so this is
1:39:471 hour, 39 minutes, 47 secondsa way to handle what you're talking about there get them insurance and I hopefully get more what will that to our
1:39:581 hour, 39 minutes, 58 secondsbudget this question this what we get out of insurance from the state which is our
1:40:051 hour, 40 minutes, 5 secondslicense Personnel how much of that do we and plus the goes to the cafeteria F how much are we having to put with that to
1:40:141 hour, 40 minutes, 14 secondscover the other people that it's not broken out in Tissa
1:40:201 hour, 40 minutes, 20 secondslike it was broken out in the so it's not a similar calculation we can figure it out but we can figure it out
1:40:291 hour, 40 minutes, 29 secondsand I can get and come up with the number what I'm trying to get at is we're sitting there talking about
1:40:371 hour, 40 minutes, 37 secondsmoney and what's one of the biggest things that we've lost the last five years is property
1:40:441 hour, 40 minutes, 44 secondstax okay what did we lose last year two things we about 125,000 yeah so we've been
1:40:541 hour, 40 minutes, 54 secondswhacked and hacked one time it's 5 since Mr Ms eloquently made the U observation of property
1:41:031 hour, 41 minutes, 3 secondstax um and where it's been since 2013 the property
1:41:111 hour, 41 minutes, 11 secondstax for 2024 in our budget is only 40,000 more than the property tax in
1:41:191 hour, 41 minutes, 19 seconds2013 so or they Justified that cost was sales tax that that is part of the
1:41:271 hour, 41 minutes, 27 secondsjustification I'm not pleading her case I'm just now it has been going up just significantly since 2090
1:41:351 hour, 41 minutes, 35 secondsright goodwi fine
1:41:451 hour, 41 minutes, 45 secondswith it's driven through sales tax yeah I'm sorry sorry
1:41:541 hour, 41 minutes, 54 secondsso Mr hudin brought up the topic earlier bravely brought up because he said he could get
1:42:031 hour, 42 minutes, 3 secondsstoned it's not going to hurt his reelection then and since I'm not really worried about re-election either I'll bring it
1:42:111 hour, 42 minutes, 11 secondsback up no I mean again in my mind I'm like okay yeah we can work this out
1:42:201 hour, 42 minutes, 20 secondsbut I just it it still doesn't seem sustainable year over year over year that's what so so what is so I think
1:42:271 hour, 42 minutes, 27 secondsthat deserves some thought like like what program I don't even know what else I don't even know what you have to cut you have to get real specific cuz you
1:42:351 hour, 42 minutes, 35 secondscan't cut a program I know but like what what are something that would be good to do
1:42:431 hour, 42 minutes, 43 secondsit would be at least give that some thought I'm not saying I want to do it yeah but if we if
1:42:511 hour, 42 minutes, 51 secondswe wanted to cut further what it be that's what that's a good question I'm looking at these categories here and I think there ought to be some there ought to be a priority list if you had to go
1:43:001 hour, 43 minutesdown that list I'm not saying to cut it to 2.2 yeah I'm know somebody in the future looking at but if you had to cut
1:43:081 hour, 43 minutes, 8 secondsit 2.2 how would you do it I guess is I have seen they they cut straight down
1:43:171 hour, 43 minutes, 17 secondsthe board get everybody to tighten their belt yeah yeah when you do that you end up some people
1:43:231 hour, 43 minutes, 23 secondscutting your your your your programs that we already good at you don't want to cut them let's make them better other
1:43:331 hour, 43 minutes, 33 secondspeople to work in them so John what you said is you you reduce the raise from 4 to three and you would reduce some employee seven more employees or
1:43:401 hour, 43 minutes, 40 secondssomething like that there some right so what what courses those seven employees teach that we would lose for example
1:43:491 hour, 43 minutes, 49 secondsthat's kind of what I'm asking what what would we lose by doing that kind of to your point of you know if we
1:43:551 hour, 43 minutes, 55 secondshad to do this what you how would we I don't know because you're talking about having to lose then you're like losing something right
1:44:041 hour, 44 minutes, 4 secondshere main course we're not grade level unless we brought the low numbers on grade schools where we don't need another third grade teacher or fifth
1:44:121 hour, 44 minutes, 12 secondsgrade teacher or something like that well I mean those seven people are doing something but they might not be doing
1:44:201 hour, 44 minutes, 20 secondsone thing they might be doing parts of 20 different things that's that's what you got to look at that's where we get can you you you look at ratios yeah you
1:44:291 hour, 44 minutes, 29 secondswould you look at ratios for instance um let's say at Northwest Pikman Middle
1:44:381 hour, 44 minutes, 38 secondsSchool uh that we had uh 14 kids per two eighth grade
1:44:471 hour, 44 minutes, 47 secondsEnglish teachers then we would have to look right there and say look you don't need to you don't need you don't need need two eighth grade English teachers you're
1:44:541 hour, 44 minutes, 54 secondsgoing to have to go to one I said well L be 28 kids per class well you got to get your seventh grade English teacher to teach in eighth grade class you you look
1:45:031 hour, 45 minutes, 3 secondswhere your teacher but there's ratios I thought the ratios were set we couldn't reduce the ratio over a certain number you can reduce them you can't go over a
1:45:121 hour, 45 minutes, 12 secondscertain number there you do we do have some low ratios oh I see so so that's that's where these
1:45:211 hour, 45 minutes, 21 secondslike other cuts come from they would increase the ratio throughout the district where where we find a place where we could uh reduce a teacher
1:45:311 hour, 45 minutes, 31 secondswithout negatively impacting the instructional program is what you would want to do uh what I haven't told you and and I
1:45:411 hour, 45 minutes, 41 secondsneed to tell you is this uh there's a program called uh jobs for Al jobs for
1:45:481 hour, 45 minutes, 48 secondsAmerica's graduates this used to be Al have in Alabama excuse me it's same
1:45:571 hour, 45 minutes, 57 secondsnotama I understand that old it used to be it used to be jobs for Alabama graduates it used to be jobs for
1:46:041 hour, 46 minutes, 4 secondsTennessee graduates what confuses me other than fact I'm easily confused it was Jag in Alabama it's now Jag here
1:46:111 hour, 46 minutes, 11 secondsjobs for America's graduates and it teaches the soft skills that kids don't always have uh
1:46:211 hour, 46 minutes, 21 secondswhen they come to work and and and uh a guy named John DWI he is a former
1:46:281 hour, 46 minutes, 28 secondssports sports guy on national television station he's in charge of it so we met
1:46:341 hour, 46 minutes, 34 secondswith him he is willing to give us $555,000 per high school and we already
1:46:421 hour, 46 minutes, 42 secondsteach this but we we um it was like a teacher split time between the two schools he's willing to
1:46:501 hour, 46 minutes, 50 secondsgive us $55,000 per high school and we and we're going to commit to teaching three periods of jobs for Al jobs for
1:46:581 hour, 46 minutes, 58 secondsAmerica's graduates and those and those children count as Career Tech children so once again uh we're going to move an
1:47:081 hour, 47 minutes, 8 secondsexisting teacher 55,000 of an existing teachers payroll off of our payroll because we have a new Revenue Source off
1:47:161 hour, 47 minutes, 16 secondsthe general funding so but but we're going to have to approve a memorandum for understand a memorandum of understanding at the next board meeting
1:47:241 hour, 47 minutes, 24 secondsto get that and this and this budget is built contingent upon your approval we have been
1:47:311 hour, 47 minutes, 31 secondsworking we we have worked hard to get us to where we are I I understand I understand I understand the concern I
1:47:391 hour, 47 minutes, 39 secondsmean you can't you can't just keep spending money uh uh so the board just has to decide do
1:47:491 hour, 47 minutes, 49 secondsyou want to do you want to you want to do you want to stick with your 2.2 do you want to go somewhere between there or do you want or do you want to
1:47:571 hour, 47 minutes, 57 secondssay yes you did a good job by only dipping 1.1 last year and
1:48:051 hour, 48 minutes, 5 secondsuh we're going 2.7 2.9 3.1 what is it 3 2.9 2.9 2.9
1:48:151 hour, 48 minutes, 15 seconds2. and this and it's possible I I just have to be real with you the budget's tied it's going to be hard to be if
1:48:241 hour, 48 minutes, 24 seconds50% if we say we're going to dip 2.9 this year we're going to dip close to 2.9 we dry everything we can
1:48:321 hour, 48 minutes, 32 secondsy i i don't want to get rid of anybody I I
1:48:391 hour, 48 minutes, 39 secondsthink if in general terms if we try to knock this down to 3% we're going to shoot ourselves enough
1:48:471 hour, 48 minutes, 47 secondsfoot we going to make so many people so mad I mean we're doing the best we can and I think most people understand understand it hold it for I know it
1:48:551 hour, 48 minutes, 55 secondshurts and I'm like Vance this can't go on forever run like you and we know it can right
1:49:021 hour, 49 minutes, 2 secondsbut but the thing imagine imagine if we were at that year right now when we we were out of fund B what would we do we
1:49:121 hour, 49 minutes, 12 secondswouldn't we wouldn't be telling you we wouldn't be telling you to you know go two point we'd be telling you to go zero
1:49:181 hour, 49 minutes, 18 secondsdef which means you'd have to not cut out 700,000 you'd have to cut out 2.9 Million how would you do that I'm I'm
1:49:271 hour, 49 minutes, 27 secondsconcerned it would have to be something radical right at this point at this point because we we took a sharp knife
1:49:351 hour, 49 minutes, 35 secondsto when we said let's just run it and see what happens it was 4.9 so we got it from 4.9 to 2.9 so we have Cut 2 million
1:49:441 hour, 49 minutes, 44 secondsout in a week uh there there there's not a lot more to cut uh there in fact there is no
1:49:521 hour, 49 minutes, 52 secondsmore to cut to the count well I about to say we need to go back and say it's prop when you say there's nothing more to cut but
1:50:001 hour, 50 minutesperson that that it would Happ so if we were to that year if you know we were to the point where we were out of fund balance have to relationship is getting
1:50:091 hour, 50 minutes, 9 secondsbetter with the county and I think we need to well what what in my opinion and and the the message I'm
1:50:171 hour, 50 minutes, 17 secondstrying to say is we don't need to wait until the year we're completely out of fund balance and then do and an intense cut no that is critical well to our
1:50:261 hour, 50 minutes, 26 secondsschool we need to do it a little bit of the time over a few years um and and and I would say you're going to have to make
1:50:341 hour, 50 minutes, 34 secondsthis case I guess to the budget committee and what you got ask ask for more money we should ask for more money and
1:50:421 hour, 50 minutes, 42 secondswe need to we need to improve our schools let's get back back on this vote Tech you make the best vote Tech in the state I mean the fact that Mr CH Mr
1:50:511 hour, 50 minutes, 51 secondsChilton is doing a fabulous job Mr Chilton more more children are earning credentials a credential is when you
1:50:591 hour, 50 minutes, 59 secondsleave a program with a certificate that says you have skills to do a certain task Mr Chilton is doing a tremendous
1:51:051 hour, 51 minutes, 5 secondsjob and and and and again we are doing things within Career Tech the sixth period day is going to bring us more
1:51:131 hour, 51 minutes, 13 secondsmoney because more children are going to take Career Tech classes putting Career Tech classes in the middle school is going to bring us more money we are
1:51:211 hour, 51 minutes, 21 secondsdoing the things that we need to do uh um I would say
1:51:311 hour, 51 minutes, 31 secondsthat if you go to if you go to the County Commission they're going to see that we win a million into our funds
1:51:391 hour, 51 minutes, 39 secondsright I mean they're they're going to also know that it's not sustainable they are they're going to know that but I hope they also will see that we are
1:51:481 hour, 51 minutes, 48 secondstrying to become a more efficient or a more efficient and a more Ive School District need to bring I'm sure they
1:51:561 hour, 51 minutes, 56 secondshave but like Mike said it's increased $40,000 in right what 11 years I mean
1:52:041 hour, 52 minutes, 4 secondsnow the other side of that argument that they all have is that SX not that that's first thing they say I've thought with one I know well
1:52:131 hour, 52 minutes, 13 secondsand that's first thing that's first thing comes up the the argument on that I F fiscally well and they get the other
1:52:221 hour, 52 minutes, 22 secondshave for a smaller budget but I am as fistly conservative as you're ever going to find any right but this
1:52:311 hour, 52 minutes, 31 secondsCounty years ago made a decision to not
1:52:381 hour, 52 minutes, 38 secondsbase the revenues on sales tax dollars by in I'm fine with
1:52:471 hour, 52 minutes, 47 secondsthat by not bringing retail in the only thing that changed was not
1:52:561 hour, 52 minutes, 56 secondsanything that the county did is the is the law and Co and that has changed the
1:53:031 hour, 53 minutes, 3 secondsway we have purchased about online and so that was the
1:53:091 hour, 53 minutes, 9 secondschange it but the powers that be several years ago made that decision that we
1:53:181 hour, 53 minutes, 18 secondswould have more of an influence from property tax then sales tax by not having
1:53:301 hour, 53 minutes, 30 secondsretail that's kind of the process that you're in and and that's my opinion that's not me speaking as a school that's a fact that's a fact of as a
1:53:381 hour, 53 minutes, 38 secondscitizen yeah citizen someone sitting here that work through these budgets every year right and that Mike that's the local option sales
1:53:481 hour, 53 minutes, 48 secondsthat so so we're so you got it's uh no we
1:53:581 hour, 53 minutes, 58 secondsactually at the same yeah but on to isn't the same yeah
1:54:061 hour, 54 minutes, 6 secondswhat is it so oh yeah it is it is but in the
1:54:141 hour, 54 minutes, 14 secondsnumber in the number that we put in for the um 2.9
1:54:231 hour, 54 minutes, 23 secondsthere was a little bit of adjustment in that the thing about sales tax it doesn't matter what it's budget
1:54:311 hour, 54 minutes, 31 secondsat this is 23 and 2 but the thing about sales tax as a revenue it doesn't matter
1:54:391 hour, 54 minutes, 39 secondswhat the budget number is you're going to get 50% of the sales tax collected by the
1:54:481 hour, 54 minutes, 48 secondsCounty property tax by state law right by state law yeah property tax
1:54:571 hour, 54 minutes, 57 secondsis you will get the maximum that you can get based off of what the count sets the
1:55:051 hour, 55 minutes, 5 secondsproperty tax rate at any pennies that they approve us to have so a cut when
1:55:131 hour, 55 minutes, 13 secondsyou move dollars from property tax to Sal tax and sometimes that's justifiable I
1:55:221 hour, 55 minutes, 22 secondswon't make that argument but when you move it from property tax to sales tax
1:55:281 hour, 55 minutes, 28 secondsand offset those that way you have actually decreased the revenues for the school system the following year by
1:55:371 hour, 55 minutes, 37 secondswhatever you moved from property tax to sales tax sales tax if it's budgeted
1:55:451 hour, 55 minutes, 45 secondszero you're still going to get 50% of whatever they collect property tax you're going to get
1:55:541 hour, 55 minutes, 54 secondsmaximum that can come from the pennies that you have which is budgeted I think 93% of what we can collect not counting
1:56:021 hour, 56 minutes, 2 secondsprior here so so back and I apologize because I was trying to find it on here why you were talking so you said there's another line that's got some more of the
1:56:101 hour, 56 minutes, 10 secondslocal option sales pack no what one of the things we did and we didn't put it in here on the revenue but one of the
1:56:171 hour, 56 minutes, 17 secondsadjustments that we made is I think we had looked that if we bumped up that sales tax number how it would
1:56:271 hour, 56 minutes, 27 secondsimpact um do the to the fund it should grow it should grow with inflation right
1:56:331 hour, 56 minutes, 33 secondsyeah we both but in the budget uh uh we do some building this budget we free stop project the S
1:56:411 hour, 56 minutes, 41 secondstax okay so there's another version it's a little newer than this no no it's in that version it's in it's just the the
1:56:481 hour, 56 minutes, 48 secondsdollar actually not showing on finished this day yeah in the in the first in the first budget it's in this number in here
1:56:561 hour, 56 minutes, 56 secondsit's not up in that calculation up there this isn't adjusted from some of those changes can where is it where is it down
1:57:041 hour, 57 minutes, 4 secondshere in the bottom you can't you can't see it it's just in the it's in the difference of this Revenue
1:57:131 hour, 57 minutes, 13 secondsamount versus this Revenue amount the in the in the budget did you receive last
1:57:201 hour, 57 minutes, 20 secondsin the budget up here it's 31466 but down got
1:57:291 hour, 57 minutes, 29 seconds318 so is that 300K additional local option tax that it's not a projection it was
1:57:381 hour, 57 minutes, 38 secondsjust changing the budget at nor yeah our last year's budget estimate you know well here's what we did our last
1:57:471 hour, 57 minutes, 47 secondsyear's budget uh had $2,455 th000 projected the sales tax and where we are now with three more
1:57:561 hour, 57 minutes, 56 secondscollections at the end of March three more Collections and then there the the the county takes in $200,000 a month to
1:58:041 hour, 58 minutes, 4 secondsin sales tax we use that uh to see that what the sales tax was generating and we
1:58:101 hour, 58 minutes, 10 secondsincreased the sales tax revenue in this budget to to what we feel like is more accurately Bas from what you've
1:58:171 hour, 58 minutes, 17 secondsestimated is going to be yes yes we already done that but no no growth over this year oh no
1:58:261 hour, 58 minutes, 26 secondsokay cuz I mean you'd ins I mean right would order that stuff and we don't have
1:58:341 hour, 58 minutes, 34 secondsanything in the budget um well no I'm saying this should go out yeah will go it should more and more people I
1:58:411 hour, 58 minutes, 41 secondsmean people I don't I mean I hate to say this with Doug sitting next to me but I encourage people to order and ship
1:58:471 hour, 58 minutes, 47 secondsthings into I'm working with okay to hman and then order things and ship it to your house Mike do we have
1:58:561 hour, 58 minutes, 56 secondsanything in the budget I'm sure we don't
1:59:011 hour, 59 minutes, 1 secondincreasing the benefit of our um Insurance because last year we didn't
1:59:091 hour, 59 minutes, 9 secondsincrease that amount and people were paying out of pocket and I had asked about that at the beginning so the
1:59:161 hour, 59 minutes, 16 secondsinsurance is set at 7030 maximum
1:59:231 hour, 59 minutes, 23 secondspartip 7900 well that is that's a potential cushion no no the so the
1:59:301 hour, 59 minutes, 30 secondsbenefits that you can get if you take employee only is there's all those different
1:59:371 hour, 59 minutes, 37 secondstiers one or two of them now go above the 7900 to where there's a $20 a month
1:59:451 hour, 59 minutes, 45 secondspayment if someone chooses that top tier and don't quote me on the amounts but if they choose that top tier as employee
1:59:521 hour, 59 minutes, 52 secondsonly they may be paying a monthly Premium versus if they stayed in L those two lower
2:00:002 hoursteers the family children that's it we two years ago you guys changed that till
2:00:092 hours, 9 seconds7030 um to be more competitive we have taken out in order to get this not taken out
2:00:182 hours, 18 secondsof the budget or the wise but we've always had that cushion
2:00:252 hours, 25 secondsin case people jumped on right we also do not know what the premium increase is yet that has not come out I estimated a
2:00:332 hours, 33 seconds7% premium increase it's been here yes but then I took out some of the cushion
2:00:402 hours, 40 secondsbecause we haven't experienced grow a huge jump on by people last year we
2:00:472 hours, 47 secondsbudgeted well we had to we changed a lot last year we had to take we had to budget the max I mean
2:00:552 hours, 55 secondswell that's where some money is coming well so this is why we use the spin rate
2:01:022 hours, 1 minute, 2 secondspercentage right this is the reason why this is the reason why so if you took full budget it's going to be more than
2:01:102 hours, 1 minute, 10 seconds2.9 it's 2.9 at the at the projected or anticipated spin rate which is 90
2:01:172 hours, 1 minute, 17 secondssomething per. because we always budget four the four for the worst case knowing that we can you know adjust it and
2:01:252 hours, 1 minute, 25 secondseverything later I don't think you should do all that in everything but I think it's justifiable in the case of health insurance like like last year
2:01:322 hours, 1 minute, 32 secondswhen we made a major increase of who could could have access to it so you had to that was I don't think you should do
2:01:402 hours, 1 minute, 40 secondsthat on it's a very tight bud so John wants to know right what the new Target is that's right he wants to know if it's
2:01:482 hours, 1 minute, 48 secondsstaying at 2.2 or if it's switching to 2.9 or if it's 2 point something in
2:01:562 hours, 1 minute, 56 secondsbetween um 2575 would be roughly
2:02:062 hours, 2 minutes, 6 secondsmidpoint how do you get yeah well I mean 100,000 I mean John
2:02:122 hours, 2 minutes, 12 secondssaid he's not I mean you not Personnel you know he's he's still looking at
2:02:192 hours, 2 minutes, 19 secondsthings that he could do yeah you get a couple hundred, Personnel that's three
2:02:252 hours, 2 minutes, 25 secondsyou get another 80 out of the I mean I think the board should just realize that if we tell them okay it's going to be
2:02:322 hours, 2 minutes, 32 seconds2.5 instead of 2.9 I think because the board shouldn't get into minutia on the budget I think
2:02:412 hours, 2 minutes, 41 secondsthe way John will accomplish it will be fair Equitable right as possible and um
2:02:502 hours, 2 minutes, 50 secondsand will likely be involve uh less than 4% rates unfortunately I like if we less
2:02:582 hours, 2 minutes, 58 secondsthan 4% we're going to lose a lot in years what did you if if you guys will and I don't want
2:03:072 hours, 3 minutes, 7 secondsto talk too much and um but if you said 2.9 or you said
2:03:142 hours, 3 minutes, 14 seconds2.5 it's not necessarily going to chck 2.9 we're still going in every day
2:03:222 hours, 3 minutes, 22 secondsand looking and estimating and seeing where a projection may be off either way
2:03:292 hours, 3 minutes, 29 secondsI told him for the last four days that I am hoping to find a million dooll
2:03:382 hours, 3 minutes, 38 secondserror to the good side to good and I will be the first to come in in a minute to you but I haven't found it yet but
2:03:462 hours, 3 minutes, 46 secondsit's not going to change what he's doing what I'm doing what
2:03:552 hours, 3 minutes, 55 secondswe're working with Derek on on the yeser side uh we're going to run as fiscally
2:04:022 hours, 4 minutes, 2 secondscons fiscally conservative as we can with so in mind we may have finally
2:04:112 hours, 4 minutes, 11 secondsgotten to the point we need F maybe we always do we always
2:04:182 hours, 4 minutes, 18 secondsargue ARG but so are you it sounded a little bit like you were saying if we if our decision now was to set a new limit
2:04:272 hours, 4 minutes, 27 secondsat 2.5 it wouldn't change that no it wouldn't change what I'm going to be doing
2:04:392 hours, 4 minutes, 39 secondschange looking at now it may come back come up with something that we can argue about
2:04:452 hours, 4 minutes, 45 secondsbecause into a big no it's not it's not going to change what we
2:04:522 hours, 4 minutes, 52 secondswe've been doing or we continue to do but but if the board decid the board should realize though that if we pick a
2:05:002 hours, 5 minutesdifferent number let's say it's two let's say 2.5 that means John's going to have to get out the bigger knife and keep wor about
2:05:092 hours, 5 minutes, 9 secondsthat he's he's already got found a 100 from the uh
2:05:172 hours, 5 minutes, 17 secondsSchool the L I'll make a motion that we increase at 2.5 make it 2.5 yeah to make the
2:05:262 hours, 5 minutes, 26 secondsincrease the the number to work on the budget with 2.55 instead of from 2.2 to 2.5.5 incal incremental step so that
2:05:362 hours, 5 minutes, 36 secondswould that would mean then that there would be
2:05:442 hours, 5 minutes, 44 secondsapproximately I guess four $100,000 would need
2:05:502 hours, 5 minutes, 50 secondsto look at it this way so last year we appropriated two to go into 2.2 so we went in
2:06:002 hours, 6 minutes1.1 so this year we said 2.2 originally we're going over you know like three add
2:06:092 hours, 6 minutes, 9 secondsthat back to the 1.1 I mean we're still we're kind of it's an abstract number I I get the 2.2 is a highly abstract I
2:06:162 hours, 6 minutes, 16 secondsthink we send a signal to the to the district that that we're trying to do the right thing and balance it and
2:06:252 hours, 6 minutes, 25 secondsbalance it with hey we got we know we got issues we got address the next we got to figure something out the next few years I was going to say I would even
2:06:332 hours, 6 minutes, 33 secondssay yeah 2.5 for 2025 2.0 for 2026 yeah 1.5 for 2027 you
2:06:422 hours, 6 minutes, 42 secondsknow what I mean we need some path like that definitely we definitely need a we definitely need a fiveyear plan I know we talked about I'm sorry Shar but we'
2:06:502 hours, 6 minutes, 50 secondstalked about I think I've heard of plans like that I think I think we need to readdress our fiveyear plans what I think but goad
2:06:582 hours, 6 minutes, 58 secondssalary is the most expensive in benefit correct right 70% of our budget 70% of
2:07:052 hours, 7 minutes, 5 secondsour budget Sal coming to raise right now we're at 44 something for the minimum
2:07:132 hours, 7 minutes, 13 secondssalary we have to raise that $5,500 in the next two years uh we have
2:07:202 hours, 7 minutes, 20 secondsto raise it 5 uh 50 it's 44096 so we have to go from there to
2:07:282 hours, 7 minutes, 28 seconds5,000 which would be five $5,000 and4 how much will we do this year at 4% I
2:07:352 hours, 7 minutes, 35 secondswas going to say I think I think that if the state expects that to happen
2:07:432 hours, 7 minutes, 43 secondsthere going to be some that's the thing but once you get there you got to keep providing that amount you you see what
2:07:502 hours, 7 minutes, 50 secondsI'm saying how how about this suggestion well we got we got a motion have can I speak to the motion sure we
2:07:592 hours, 7 minutes, 59 secondsdon't have a second we're still discussing it's we we said that we would meet this
2:08:092 hours, 8 minutes, 9 secondsThursday and next Thursday um I think to give us a little time I I need to I need
2:08:162 hours, 8 minutes, 16 secondsto I need to flesh out Personnel more thoroughly with the principal I'm in that
2:08:232 hours, 8 minutes, 23 secondsprocess uh there's there's there is there is uh there is uh not a lot to cut
2:08:322 hours, 8 minutes, 32 secondsI need I need to explore what the possibility is for charging the lunchroom program indirect costs I don't
2:08:392 hours, 8 minutes, 39 secondsI don't I just began that exploration yesterday and and I apologize to M
2:08:452 hours, 8 minutes, 45 secondsSharon because she's hearing this on YouTube because she she's on medical lead apologize for that um
2:08:542 hours, 8 minutes, 54 secondsbut your phone will blow up later don't I'll let you downstairs but
2:09:042 hours, 9 minutes, 4 secondsum I don't think it's necessary we have a motion tonight okay I I hope that y'all feel good about our efforts and I
2:09:122 hours, 9 minutes, 12 secondshope and and because it may be that I can come back to you with more detail I might to come
2:09:202 hours, 9 minutes, 20 secondsback to you and say I I have found a way to go to 2.5 and we still can keep the
2:09:262 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds4% raise you know well I I I that you wanted a number yeah I thought you said
2:09:352 hours, 9 minutes, 35 secondsearlier that you wanted some direction from got Direction but got try to figure out how to get yeah let's move dire yeah
2:09:452 hours, 9 minutes, 45 secondsso that's a good way to put it so we don't have to be a motion tonight right I was right but I
2:09:532 hours, 9 minutes, 53 secondsthink John knows that there'll likely be a motion at the next yeah
2:10:012 hours, 10 minutes, 1 secondmeeting well we're meeting next week I mean we're meeting a week from M how many people in the school
2:10:092 hours, 10 minutes, 9 secondssystem is on the insurance and I have a reason why I'm asking this question and I'll get you that if you have a
2:10:162 hours, 10 minutes, 16 secondsroundabout number out of personnel how many personnel do we have I would not like to give you just
2:10:252 hours, 10 minutes, 25 secondsbecause I didn't check exact in the past it was Prior years it was 247 talking about certifi teachers I'm
2:10:342 hours, 10 minutes, 34 secondstalking total okay she asked yeah 247 out of the entire school system out
2:10:422 hours, 10 minutes, 42 secondsof the entire school system how many employees can we have we have roughly not counting substitute teachers um yeah
2:10:512 hours, 10 minutes, 51 secondsthat's right and uh and not double counting some of our bus drivers we roughly have about four
2:11:002 hours, 11 minutes30 well that's not cting food service so then you go to count in Food Service which is about 470 people okay I was
2:11:092 hours, 11 minutes, 9 secondsthinking that if we couldn't do a increase a 4% maybe thatb there might be some way that we can just go up 10 bucks
2:11:182 hours, 11 minutes, 18 secondsor more on the amount for any insurance and maybe that would help some I don't
2:11:252 hours, 11 minutes, 25 secondsknow well I will get I'll get an exact amount on this is people on it so at the
2:11:332 hours, 11 minutes, 33 secondsmy at the py every year we have always given a b we give a Christmas bonus like
2:11:392 hours, 11 minutes, 39 secondsevery year and some years we tell them you know this bonus is based on how well
2:11:472 hours, 11 minutes, 47 secondsyou know if it's lean I mean there have been years where it's been lean and it's been had a break in yeah I mean yeah
2:11:542 hours, 11 minutes, 54 secondswell no you know I mean but I mean I've been there 20 years so I've seen really good years and I've seen some that were
2:12:022 hours, 12 minutes, 2 secondsum not so good and you know the bonus well they always get one but it reflects
2:12:102 hours, 12 minutes, 10 secondshow how you know how we've done um and you know and we've managed somehow
2:12:192 hours, 12 minutes, 19 secondsto keep employees because um I think you know how you're treated absolutely that's what I was
2:12:272 hours, 12 minutes, 27 secondsabout to say the culture the culture and the um you know the fact that they're able to work in town they don't have to
2:12:362 hours, 12 minutes, 36 secondsdrive you know those are some things you know and I'm all about you know raises and but like as a business you know the
2:12:462 hours, 12 minutes, 46 secondsschool system is a business also I mean it's it's a different kind of business you kind of have to take that into
2:12:522 hours, 12 minutes, 52 secondsconsideration too so and the the climate of the world in general everything right now is just like you said everything's
2:13:002 hours, 13 minutesgoing up inflation rates are up housing market um so that all has to be kind of
2:13:082 hours, 13 minutes, 8 secondstaken into consideration so I just I do have another I actually think we do need a motion and the reason
2:13:162 hours, 13 minutes, 16 secondswhy is because as it stands right now according to the motion we made and voted on and
2:13:242 hours, 13 minutes, 24 secondsapproved John's Target's 2.2 I'm saying so he came here tonight to
2:13:312 hours, 13 minutes, 31 secondssay I'm not the 2.2 I've worked really hard and I've got the 2.9 so by not making a motion I think
2:13:392 hours, 13 minutes, 39 secondswe're saying it's still 2.2 yeah we are that's what we're saying that's what so your your motion
2:13:472 hours, 13 minutes, 47 secondswas to move it up from 2.2 like 2.5 to 2.5 so I I think right
2:13:552 hours, 13 minutes, 55 secondsfrom your point of view you've got a a voted motion from a budget from the budget committee meeting that says your
2:14:032 hours, 14 minutes, 3 secondsyour amount has got to be 2.2 and you're going to work toward that and you're having a hard time doing it and if we don't make a motion it stays at 2.2 we
2:14:122 hours, 14 minutes, 12 secondsdon't have a second on that motion but we could uh ask him to work to the best he could on uh reducing it from to 2.7
2:14:212 hours, 14 minutes, 21 secondsand go somewhere between 2.2 and 2.7 to get it to the best he can 2.9 2.9 2.9
2:14:302 hours, 14 minutes, 30 secondsyeah so you you're not giving him a specific but a Target to get as slowest it's just the D at the next meeting we
2:14:382 hours, 14 minutes, 38 secondscan change it just like we if we motion it tonight we be change it from 2.2 I motion that we change it from 2.2 to 2.5 you
2:14:472 hours, 14 minutes, 47 secondsonly he withdrew his motion second your motion there you go there you go
2:14:562 hours, 14 minutes, 56 secondsteamwork and just and just keep in mind like this is an in right if we don't pass this motion we're still telling
2:15:032 hours, 15 minutes, 3 secondsJohn that it's 2.2 2.5 which which he's come back and told us going to be to work on a 2.5 have motion and
2:15:112 hours, 15 minutes, 11 secondssecond all in favor say I I I
2:15:212 hours, 15 minutes, 21 secondsall anybody want to change their why don't we do a roll call on that I mean it's it's money
2:15:292 hours, 15 minutes, 29 secondsanybody anybody can call for roll call in between at any point time so you're calling for roll call you go for roll
2:15:382 hours, 15 minutes, 38 secondslove it Miss Baker I just wanted to read that's right Mr Gman yes Mr hob yes Mr
2:15:442 hours, 15 minutes, 44 secondshudon yes Mr Lan yes Miss M yes and Mr Willis all right oh she car oh by the
2:15:522 hours, 15 minutes, 52 secondsway and if you if you don't vote and you don't speak up it's whatever the majority said anyway so it's the way
2:15:592 hours, 15 minutes, 59 secondsthat it's recorded it's the way the it's the way that tsba presents it but you go up there to listen to them and it said
2:16:072 hours, 16 minutes, 7 secondshey it's you're all in favor if nobody speaks up with a note anything any other business on
2:16:172 hours, 16 minutes, 17 secondsbudget anybody want to anybody want to say something I probably said too
2:16:272 hours, 16 minutes, 27 secondsmuch I probably have said too much uh what
2:16:342 hours, 16 minutes, 34 secondswell uh I I just want you to keep in mind that we're trying to bring more Revenue
2:16:422 hours, 16 minutes, 42 secondsto the district through Career Technical education so hopefully when we get to this point next year our our t
2:16:512 hours, 16 minutes, 51 secondsuh allocation will be higher cuz we're we're going to definitely have more children in Career Technical education
2:16:582 hours, 16 minutes, 58 secondsand H County Schools next year the the other point I'd like to make is what Miss May said is is is that is very
2:17:082 hours, 17 minutes, 8 secondsaccurate uh it's the my response to what she said
2:17:152 hours, 17 minutes, 15 secondsis this it's the $50,000 starting salary that is
2:17:222 hours, 17 minutes, 22 secondscomplicating everything for us I just don't feel that we can not raise veteran salaries right there uh there's just a
2:17:302 hours, 17 minutes, 30 secondswhole lot I hate that I hate that a wear is not in the budget it bothers me and
2:17:372 hours, 17 minutes, 37 secondsand and and I thought about asking the County government to fund a wear because
2:17:442 hours, 17 minutes, 44 secondsif a wear is alive and vibrant County government expenses toward incarceration
2:17:512 hours, 17 minutes, 51 secondsand mental health will be less in the future
2:17:592 hours, 17 minutes, 59 secondsso the reason we got that Grant was exactly that because we didn't ask for the grant they came down and said here
2:18:072 hours, 18 minutes, 7 secondsyou need this grant because of what's happened in hman County we were four one of four in the state that got that
2:18:152 hours, 18 minutes, 15 secondsso and there's still some still some money on the governor's desk in mental health as far as I know hasn't been
2:18:222 hours, 18 minutes, 22 secondsassigned to it and Jody was going to ask and I don't know he was going to ask for
2:18:282 hours, 18 minutes, 28 secondsmoney to fund it right uh and he he told me said uh it was still there and it may
2:18:362 hours, 18 minutes, 36 secondsstill be there I there still money in that if it if they wanted to give us the money they probably could they could and maybe that's still open yeah and we
2:18:452 hours, 18 minutes, 45 secondsdon't and we don't know we don't know yet what's going happen and we don't know our applications either and who knows you get more money that flows into
2:18:532 hours, 18 minutes, 53 secondsRevenue so my personal opinion I would rather if we ask for more money we should from the County
2:19:002 hours, 19 minutesCommission I would rather ask for money without any strings like not ask for
2:19:072 hours, 19 minutes, 7 secondsaware just I I would say oh you ask ask for more funding because we're eating
2:19:142 hours, 19 minutes, 14 secondsinto our fund balance and leave the decisions on where that funding gets spent to the this budget committee right
2:19:212 hours, 19 minutes, 21 secondshere and our superintendent rather than well cuz then okay so then what happens next year so I mean do we Contin is it
2:19:302 hours, 19 minutes, 30 secondsin perpetuity and understand do we get in writing and you know is there has to be anou over that and that what I mean
2:19:382 hours, 19 minutes, 38 secondsyeah understand and then next year do they they get to decide to remove it budet or something so it's a point very
2:19:442 hours, 19 minutes, 44 secondswell may I just use aware as an example of the need more funding but don't specify or earmark the funding to avoid
2:19:522 hours, 19 minutes, 52 secondsall the complications right and where is one of the things that you've had to cut and yeah and and honestly you haven't cut enough we we had given you a go of
2:20:012 hours, 20 minutes, 1 second2.2 and you haven't got there yet so I mean that's the that's the approach I would recommend taking with the count here's here's the funny deal last
2:20:092 hours, 20 minutes, 9 secondsNovember I think it was November they hired 100 new tropers okay s h
2:20:192 hours, 20 minutes, 19 secondsCamp dropped speed you how much a new Trooper makes first year start salary
2:20:272 hours, 20 minutes, 27 seconds56,000 weeks 12 weeks of train start and then that rate goes on up depending on your
2:20:352 hours, 20 minutes, 35 secondsexperience like everything else so they think more of that than they do of Education because we're still stuck under $50,000 for teachers that has to
2:20:432 hours, 20 minutes, 43 secondshave a fouryear degree all right so we'll work and uh we'll convened next Thursday night J you
2:20:522 hours, 20 minutes, 52 secondshave anything Tim do you have anything
2:21:022 hours, 21 minutes, 2 secondssecond no uh no matter what the budget what what Jim comes up with I have confidence
2:21:112 hours, 21 minutes, 11 secondsthat that as the year goes along even whatever we pass he will make every
2:21:192 hours, 21 minutes, 19 secondseffort to be cut if he can and make everybody responsible for their spending and take
2:21:282 hours, 21 minutes, 28 secondscare of the teachers take care of all of our employees from what I have seen I think that that's the confidence is
2:21:362 hours, 21 minutes, 36 secondsthere no matter what money we can come up with in a budget that to me it is I have confidence in what they're going to do
2:21:452 hours, 21 minutes, 45 secondswith that so with that I'll take that motion that second and