School Board · Meeting · May 20, 2024
Mon, May 20, 2024
Hickman County Board of Education meetings, including regular sessions and special called meetings.
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The meeting was a special budget session focused almost entirely on whether to approve the school system’s FY 2024–25 budget after the county budget committee revised the funding mix. The central dispute was not the total school request so much as whether accepting the county committee’s recommendation effectively endorsed a small property-tax increase. Board members debated recurring costs, reserve-fund drawdowns, enrollment decline under TISA, state-required pay pressures, and whether the county’s unanimous support signaled an unusual willingness to invest in school improvement.
The budget first failed on a 3–2 vote because four affirmative votes were required. After discussion under Robert’s Rules and a motion to reconsider, the board reopened the matter, heard further explanation on the county’s split between property tax and local-option sales tax, and ultimately approved the budget 4–2 with one member absent. Other notable threads included declining enrollment of roughly 60 students in the latest comparison and 213 over a longer span cited by an opponent, use of reserves over a projected four-year horizon, teacher pay and staffing reductions, prior propane-bus grant savings, and county concerns about school letter grades and enrollment losses.
Opening business 19:02
- 19:02 Pledge of Allegiance.
- 19:30 Agenda approved for a budget-focused meeting; motion and second carried without objection.
New Business / Agenda Items 19:46
FY 2024–25 school budget returned from county budget committee 20:03
- 20:03 Administration explained that the county budget committee sent the school budget back with the same overall local funding request but changed the mix: the board’s requested $137,988 increase was split between property tax and local-option sales tax.
- 20:18 At Commissioner Keith Nash’s request, the property-tax portion was rounded to an even 58 cents, producing a property-tax increase of about $57,769 over the prior budgeted amount; the remaining $80,100 was shifted into the sales-tax estimate.
- 21:28 The county budget committee reportedly approved that recommendation 14–0.
- 21:41 A motion was made to approve the budget as amended.
Objection to budget based on taxes, enrollment decline, and reserve use 22:05
- 22:05 One board member disclosed a conflict because relatives work for the school system but stated the vote would be based on conscience and constituents.
- 22:21 The member urged a “no” vote, arguing the budget creates recurring expenses that could deplete the general fund to an unacceptable level within about three years and neglects long-range infrastructure planning.
- 22:51 The objection stressed that local property taxes are already high compared with surrounding counties and that constituents oppose anything that could increase property taxes.
- 23:01 The member argued that declining enrollment made higher spending hard to justify, citing a drop of almost 200 students for the year and then specifically 213 students from April 2023 to April 2024.
- 23:17 Using a March TISA estimate, the member said the formula required about $3,786,341 while the county was providing about $5,843,000, leaving a difference of about $2,057,346.
- 24:03 The same argument estimated a revenue impact of about $1.5 million, using $7,750 per student times the 213-student reduction, and characterized the decline as roughly 7% of a student population around 2,926.
Administration response on TISA estimates and which enrollment loss matters 24:34
- 24:34 Discussion turned to whether the enrollment losses cited would affect the budget under consideration or a later year.
- 24:59 Administration said the budget presented to the county used a newer April TISA estimate, not just the earlier March preliminary document.
- 25:23 Officials explained the board had first seen a March estimate, but an April update increased expected TISA funding and was incorporated into the proposed budget.
- 26:23 Administration rejected the suggestion that only the March estimate should control, saying the board had already been told the April number was used in the budget.
- 27:20 The opponent reiterated reliance on the $7,750 per-student base amount.
- 27:39 Administration pointed to the budget’s TISA line item of about $24,228,674 as the current estimate then being used.
- 28:16 The chair and others clarified that the larger enrollment loss being discussed would mainly affect a future budget cycle, while the current vote was for FY 2024–25.
- 29:22 Copies of the March and April estimate documents were requested so members could compare them.
Budget-development history and why members still supported the proposal 30:00
- 30:10 Members recalled that in committee the budget gap had been around $2.9 million before the board worked to reduce it to about $2.5 million.
- 30:24 Administration said an updated TISA estimate raised expected revenue by roughly $108,000–$128,000, helping narrow the gap.
- 31:11 Officials emphasized that final TISA funding would not be known until July and often comes in higher once year-end coding and special-program documentation are finalized.
- 32:21 A board member argued that even with enrollment losses, the district still must operate eight buildings and cover fixed costs such as utilities, cafeterias, and baseline staffing.
- 33:00 The same member tied the budget pressure to the state requirement to reach $50,000 for new teachers within two years, saying slight class-size declines do not erase the need for teachers in each classroom.
- 33:36 Another member said costs across the district had risen broadly, citing sharply higher bus prices and the difficulty of treating the school budget like a business when inflation affects every line item.
- 34:16 Bus purchases were cited as an example: buses had risen by $30,000–$40,000 each, reducing buying power from what once might have bought three buses to only one.
- 34:24 Concerns were also raised about buses sitting unused before activation, effectively reducing their useful service life; another member replied that substitute buses are used daily and can reduce mileage on primary-route buses.
First vote fails for lack of four yes votes 35:24
- 35:24 Roll-call voting began on the motion to approve the amended budget.
- 35:39 One member again stated the conflict disclosure and voted yes.
- 36:20 Another member voted no, saying raises for teachers and staff were supported but a tax increase could not be supported “in good conscience.”
- 36:44 The vote was announced as 3 yes, 2 no; because four affirmative votes were required, the motion failed.
After failed vote: implications and county context 37:03
- 37:03 Members immediately discussed when to revisit the budget because the county commission was meeting the same night.
- 37:29 It was noted that the county budget committee had, unusually, supported the school request unanimously without the repeated back-and-forth of prior years.
- 37:45 Supporters argued the county’s action reduced near-term risk to reserve funds and reflected recognition of school needs.
- 38:09 One member said the objection was specifically to touching property taxes; if the same support came without property-tax impact, that member would support it.
- 38:23 Another member replied that schools had already “given back” tax capacity in prior years, mentioning roughly 11 cents over time and specifically 2 cents from the prior year.
- 38:48 It was noted that those 2 cents were worth more in the prior year than now.
Sales tax versus property tax explanation and maintenance-of-effort debate 39:02
- 39:02 Administration and members clarified that local-option sales tax is not something the county can simply “give” or withhold by budget estimate; schools receive 50% of local-option sales tax collected by law.
- 39:12 The board was told that if sales-tax collections exceed or fall short of the budget estimate, actual collections still govern; the county budget only uses a maintenance-of-effort number.
- 40:12 By contrast, the property-tax amount is a hard budgeted figure; lowering that number directly lowers what schools receive from that source.
- 40:43 The county’s shift toward sales tax was described as a maintenance-of-effort issue rather than a true new source of money.
- 41:41 Members acknowledged that in a recession sales-tax collections could drop, though the county would still owe the maintenance-of-effort minimum.
- 41:56 The possibility that declining enrollment could allow future maintenance-of-effort reductions was discussed, along with more drastic scenarios like consolidation, though no such action was before the board.
County commissioners’ concerns about school performance and enrollment 42:10
- 42:10 Board members who attended the county budget meeting said commissioners were highly focused on school letter grades and poor performance, especially one school in the bottom 5% statewide.
- 42:49 Supporters interpreted the county committee’s unanimous vote as an effort to invest in better school outcomes and stop enrollment losses, particularly in East Hickman where families may leave for neighboring systems more easily.
- 43:28 Opponents replied that they answer to their own constituents, many of whom had told them not to support anything that might raise property taxes.
- 44:01 Supporters countered that education and safety are core county obligations and that if taxes must rise somewhere, schools are a worthy use.
- 44:25 One member said this specific budget did not appear to force a major tax impact now, though next year’s budget could be harder because of enrollment trends.
Administration’s case for accepting the county offer 44:52
- 44:52 Administration stressed that Hickman County has limited commercial and industrial property, so the residential property-tax burden is relatively heavier than in more commercially developed counties.
- 45:45 Officials said the county had been at about 56.66 cents and the budget committee moved schools to 58 cents, with the rounded structure meant to avoid fractional-penny budgeting.
- 46:09 The increase was described as about $8 per year on a $200,000 property, or roughly 66 cents per month.
- 46:40 Administration again described this as a difficult budget year because ESSER funds are expiring and enrollment is declining.
- 47:18 Officials said the system would have fewer teachers and fewer employees next year, presenting that as evidence the administration had tried to respond rather than simply expand spending.
- 47:35 Transportation was singled out as unsustainable if the district can buy only one bus per year, though a prior grant helped purchase about 13 propane buses at 50% off.
- 47:52 Capital-project funding will not remain as low as in this budget, but officials argued the district recently completed major work using prior federal funds.
- 48:39 Administration argued that better schools are the county’s long-term path forward and that the board should accept the county’s modest increase because of both educational need and the unusual spirit of cooperation.
Motion to reconsider under Robert’s Rules 54:43
- 54:43 After discussion of procedure, members turned to Robert’s Rules to determine whether the failed vote could be reconsidered the same day.
- 55:10 The rule was read as allowing a motion to reconsider on the same day the original vote was taken.
- 55:26 A motion to reconsider the FY 2024–25 budget was made and seconded.
- 56:02 Roll-call vote on reconsideration was taken.
- 57:03 The motion to reconsider passed 4–2, allowing the board to bring the budget back to the floor despite one absent member counting effectively against reaching the required majority.
Reopened budget debate and detailed funding explanation 57:20
- 57:29 A new motion was made to approve the budget, followed by renewed discussion.
- 58:17 Finance staff restated that the county had not reduced the board’s requested maintenance-of-effort increase; it only moved $8,155 of the request into sales tax while leaving the total local increase intact.
- 58:53 Property tax would still rise by about $57,769 over the prior year’s budget estimate.
- 59:12 The board was reminded that at an earlier meeting, a member had moved to approve the budget contingent on asking for 3 cents, an amount equaling roughly $137,000.
- 59:53 The county committee had effectively responded by raising the school portion from 56.66 cents to 58 cents, yielding about $57,000 in property-tax growth and using another $80,000 of sales tax to close the balance.
- 1:00:40 Administration repeated that by Tennessee law schools receive 50% of local-option sales tax collections.
- 1:01:03 Officials emphasized again that the county budget committee had voted 14–0 to provide the full $137,000 maintenance-of-effort increase through the split funding method.
Renewed opposition: recurring costs, enrollment losses, and reserve depletion 1:01:29
- 1:01:29 The budget opponent said the March TISA preliminary estimate remained the basis of concern, though newer April figures had now been presented.
- 1:02:05 The member repeated that the district had lost 213 students from April 2023 to the current period and, at $7,750 each, had lost roughly $1.5 million in funding capacity.
- 1:02:39 The core objection remained recurring expenses that could leave a future board in trouble within two to three years.
- 1:03:02 The member also warned that declining enrollment could allow future maintenance-of-effort reductions, though supporters answered that no midyear clawback was possible for the budget currently under vote.
- 1:05:46 Both sides agreed the board must consider long-term impacts even while adopting a workable annual budget.
Salary pressure, reserves, and time horizon 1:06:02
- 1:06:02 Discussion shifted directly to staffing and salary pressures.
- 1:06:19 One member argued that much of the new budget pressure came from state-mandated pay increases; another said the district was still carrying the cost of the prior year’s major raise.
- 1:06:27 Last year’s raises were described as roughly 6% and about $800,000, with a rough planning estimate of $200,000 per 1% raise.
- 1:07:10 Members noted that about $1.2 million of current pressure was carryover from those prior decisions.
- 1:07:18 The board discussed the state target of $50,000 for entry-level teachers and how that would keep pressuring the budget.
- 1:07:34 On reserves, the finance estimate for FY 2024 was described as somewhere between $600,000 and $1.1 million, with one estimate “right at” $1.1 million.
- 1:07:50 Asked how long reserves would last if roughly $1 million were used per year, the response was about four years assuming similar revenue levels and no change in enrollment.
- 1:08:14 Administration said the operating strategy would be to continue looking for staffing and efficiency changes, as it had in prior years, especially as ESSER funding ends.
TISA enrollment data and state software issues 1:09:02
- 1:09:02 Finance staff displayed the prior July final TISA figure for FY 2023–24, showing enrollment around 3,594.
- 1:10:08 The current April estimate for the next year showed enrollment around 2,948, and members calculated the immediate difference being used for that comparison at about 60 students.
- 1:10:24 Staff explained the state had switched to a new software system during the year, and early estimates were known to be low because coding and data transfers were still being corrected.
- 1:11:07 The discussion covered coding for economically disadvantaged students, concentrated poverty, special education, and career-tech counts, with staff saying some categories had initially failed to pick up large groups of students correctly.
- 1:12:05 One example given was that about 80 economically disadvantaged students had not been recognized properly by the state system at one point.
- 1:12:57 Staff described a monthly verification process beginning in January and involving about nine spreadsheets and multiple supervisors to ensure state data accuracy.
- 1:13:58 A prior back-of-the-envelope estimate was recalled: 60 students times $7,750 equals about $430,000.
Final arguments before revote 1:14:15
- 1:14:15 Supporters said the board had to balance long-term reserve concerns against the short-term duty to provide the best budget possible for students and teachers.
- 1:14:58 Administration stressed that the district had gotten through the difficult process without cutting programs.
- 1:15:07 The board was reminded that teachers were being asked to do more, including moving to sixth period, making support for the budget more urgent.
- 1:15:31 It was noted that the county budget committee’s recommendation was not necessarily final until full county commission action, though members said the county could still shift all of the increase into sales tax if it chose.
- 1:16:08 Administration returned to the $57,000 property-tax increase and the practical household effect of less than $8 annually on a $200,000 home.
- 1:16:38 Opponents responded that inflationary pressure is also hitting local families and workers who are not necessarily getting raises.
- 1:16:56 Members also noted that many county departments, including the sheriff’s department, were seeking raises, underscoring broader county budget pressure.
Final vote approves the budget 1:17:29
- 1:17:29 A member who had not been present earlier said the vote was difficult but was ready to proceed after hearing the catch-up discussion.
- 1:17:51 The chair summarized the procedural path: reconsideration had passed, and the motion to approve the FY 2024–25 budget was on the floor.
- 1:18:12 Final roll-call vote: 4 yes, 2 no, 1 absent.
- 1:18:31 The motion carried because it reached the required four affirmative votes.
- 1:19:16 Members noted that the result would be texted to Finance Director Crystal Fitzgerald so the county commission, meeting that same night, could proceed with the school portion later in its agenda.
Adjournment / next steps 1:19:01
- 1:19:01 With the budget approved, members indicated the next regular board meeting would follow later and that the immediate next step was communication of the vote to the county commission.
Key figures and statistics
| Figure | Type | Context / topic | Timestamp |
|---|---|---|---|
| $137,988 | Budget request | School funding increase discussed as returned from county budget committee | 20:11 |
| 58 cents | Tax rate | Rounded school property-tax rate recommended by county budget committee | 20:32 |
| $57,769 | Revenue increase | Property-tax increase over prior budget estimate after rounding to 58 cents | 20:42 |
| $80,100 | Revenue estimate | Amount shifted into local-option sales tax estimate | 20:56 |
| 14–0 | Vote | County budget committee approval of recommendation | 21:28 |
| three years | Time period | Opponent’s warning about reserve depletion from recurring costs | 22:36 |
| almost 200 | Enrollment change | Student decline cited in argument against budget | 23:01 |
| $3,786,341 | Formula amount | TISA funding amount cited from preliminary estimate | 23:17 |
| $5,843,000 | Local funding | County-provided amount cited in objection | 23:26 |
| $2,057,346 | Difference | Gap cited between formula amount and county amount | 23:34 |
| 213 | Enrollment change | Student reduction from April 2023 to April 2024 cited by opponent | 23:50 |
| $7,750 | Per-student funding | TISA base amount used in enrollment-loss calculations | 24:03 |
| $1.5 million | Revenue impact estimate | Funding loss claimed from 213-student decline | 24:03 |
| 7% | Percentage | Approximate reduction in student attendance/population cited | 24:09 |
| 2,926 | Enrollment | Rough student population cited in objection | 24:17 |
| $24,228,674 | Revenue estimate | TISA line item in budget as explained by administration | 27:50 |
| $2.9 million | Budget gap | Earlier committee-stage budget gap before later reductions | 30:10 |
| $2.5 million | Budget gap | Reduced gap after revisions | 30:16 |
| $108,000–$128,000 | Revenue increase | Approximate additional TISA estimate received later | 30:24 |
| $128,000 | Revenue increase | Later figure repeated for TISA estimate gain | 32:04 |
| eight schools | Facility count | Fixed-cost argument despite enrollment decline | 32:21 |
| $50,000 | Salary target | Entry-level teacher pay goal discussed | 33:00 |
| $30,000–$40,000 | Cost increase | Increase in bus prices | 34:16 |
| three | Vehicle count | Prior buying power for buses compared with current | 34:16 |
| one | Vehicle count | Current buying power for buses compared with prior | 34:16 |
| 10 | Vehicle count | Substitute buses mentioned as being in daily use | 34:59 |
| 3–2 | Vote | First board vote on budget, insufficient to pass | 36:44 |
| 11 cents | Tax history | Prior tax capacity “given back” over years as cited in debate | 38:23 |
| 2 cents | Tax history | Prior-year giveback cited in debate | 38:48 |
| 50% | Percentage | School share of local-option sales tax by law | 39:42 |
| bottom 5% | School performance rank | One school’s statewide performance status cited in county concerns | 43:13 |
| 56.6 cents | Tax rate | Prior school property-tax rate described by administration | 45:45 |
| $200,000 | Property value | Example home used to explain tax effect | 46:09 |
| $8 | Tax impact | Annual increase on a $200,000 property | 46:17 |
| 66 cents | Monthly cost | Approximate monthly effect of tax increase | 46:23 |
| 13 | Vehicle count | Propane buses previously purchased through grant | 47:44 |
| 50% | Discount / match | Grant share for propane bus purchases | 47:44 |
| $126,000 | Tax value | Value of prior year’s two-cent tax amount as cited | 50:10 |
| $2.1 million | Funding amount | County paying above maintenance of effort, as cited in debate | 52:37 |
| $69 million | Budget size | Total school budget cited in discussion | 53:02 |
| 4–2 | Vote | Motion to reconsider passed | 57:03 |
| $37,988 | Revenue shift amount | Portion discussed as moved between tax sources in reopened debate | 58:27 |
| $8,155 | Revenue shift amount | Amount said to be moved into sales tax in reopened explanation | 58:36 |
| $57,769 | Revenue increase | Property-tax increase restated in reopened explanation | 58:53 |
| 3 cents | Tax request | Original contingent request sent to county | 59:35 |
| $137,000 | Revenue request | Value of three-cent request | 59:53 |
| 56.66 cents | Tax rate | Prior rate restated in reopened debate | 59:59 |
| 58 cents | Tax rate | Revised rate restated in reopened debate | 1:00:07 |
| $57,000 | Revenue increase | Rounded property-tax gain restated by administration | 1:00:14 |
| $80,000 | Revenue estimate | Sales-tax amount used to close the gap | 1:00:32 |
| 50% | Percentage | School share of local-option sales tax restated | 1:00:40 |
| 14–0 | Vote | County budget committee unanimous vote restated | 1:01:03 |
| 213 | Enrollment change | Student loss restated in renewed opposition | 1:02:05 |
| $7,750 | Per-student funding | TISA base restated in renewed opposition | 1:02:14 |
| $1.5 million | Revenue impact estimate | Student-loss funding estimate restated | 1:02:22 |
| two to three years | Time period | Future-board risk horizon cited by opponent | 1:02:39 |
| $800,000 | Salary cost | Prior year raise cost discussed | 1:06:27 |
| 6% | Percentage | Prior year raise level discussed | 1:06:36 |
| $200,000 | Cost per 1% | Rough estimate of raise cost per percentage point | 1:06:56 |
| $1.2 million | Carryover cost | Prior salary decisions still embedded in current budget | 1:07:10 |
| $600,000 | Reserve use estimate | Lower estimate of FY24 reserve draw | 1:07:34 |
| $1.1 million | Reserve use estimate | Higher / preferred estimate of FY24 reserve draw | 1:07:42 |
| four years | Time period | Reserve duration estimate at about $1 million annual use | 1:07:57 |
| 3,594 | Enrollment | Prior July final TISA enrollment figure for FY24 | 1:09:19 |
| 2,948 | Enrollment | Current April estimate enrollment figure | 1:10:08 |
| 60 | Enrollment change | Approximate immediate enrollment difference under comparison | 1:10:15 |
| four | System count | Number of state systems pulling student numbers, as cited | 1:11:41 |
| 80 | Student count | Economically disadvantaged students not initially picked up correctly | 1:12:19 |
| nine | Document count | Spreadsheets reviewed monthly for TISA verification | 1:13:04 |
| 60 | Enrollment change | Handwritten estimate basis recalled | 1:13:51 |
| $430,000 | Revenue impact estimate | Approximate effect of 60-student decline at $7,750 each | 1:13:58 |
| sixth period | Scheduling change | Additional teacher workload cited in support of budget | 1:15:07 |
| $57,000 | Revenue increase | Property-tax increase restated in final argument | 1:16:08 |
| $8 | Tax impact | Annual increase on $200,000 property restated | 1:16:16 |
| 4–2 | Vote | Final board approval vote with one absent | 1:18:12 |
External vendors, brands, and software
| Name | Type | Context / topic | Timestamp |
|---|---|---|---|
| TISA | Software | State funding formula and estimate system repeatedly discussed in budget calculations | 23:17 |
| ESSER | Software | Federal relief funding source discussed as expiring and affecting budget pressure | 46:40 |
| Robert’s Rules | Brand | Parliamentary authority used to justify same-day motion to reconsider | 54:43 |
| rsis | Software | Student data/coding system referenced in TISA reporting discussion | 1:10:24 |
Laws and policies
| Citation / name | Level | Type | Context / topic | Timestamp |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| TISA | State | Law | Tennessee school funding formula used in budget and enrollment discussions | 23:17 |
| maintenance of effort | State | Policy | Rules governing county minimum local funding and how sales-tax estimates are used | 39:12 |
| Robert’s Rules | School | Rule | Procedure allowing same-day motion to reconsider the failed budget vote | 54:43 |
Files
This document is the revised budget for Hickman County, Tennessee, specifically for the General Purpose School Fund 141, covering the fiscal year ending June 30, 2025. The excerpt includes detailed estimates of revenues and expenditures, highlighting various sources of local taxes, state funding, and federal contributions, as well as projected spending across different educational programs and services. Key topics include instructional programs, support services, and specific budget line items such as salaries, benefits, and operational costs. This information is based on the beginning of the file only, and further details may be available in the complete document.
- Board_Meeting_Agenda_-_Special_Called_-_May_20_2024.pdf
- Board_Meeting_Agenda_-_Special_Called_-_May_20_2024.txt
This document is the agenda for a special called meeting of the Hickman County Board of Education scheduled for May 20, 2024, at 6:00 p.m. in Room 203 of the Hickman County Board of Education Complex. The agenda outlines the order of the meeting, which includes a call to order, a moment of silence, and the Pledge of Allegiance. Notably, it lists items requiring board action, specifically the 2024-2025 revised budget. This excerpt provides a brief overview of the meeting's structure and key topics to be addressed.
- May_20_2024_at_6_00_PM_-_SPECIAL_CALLED_BOARD_MEETING.pdf
- May_20_2024_at_6_00_PM_-_SPECIAL_CALLED_BOARD_MEETING.txt
This document is the agenda for a Special Called Board Meeting of the Hickman County Board of Education scheduled for May 20, 2024, at 6:00 PM in Room 203 of the Hickman County Board of Education Complex. The agenda outlines the meeting's structure, including a call to order, a moment of silence, and the Pledge of Allegiance. It highlights that this will be a voting session and lists items requiring board action, specifically the 2024-2025 Revised Budget. The excerpt provides an overview of the meeting's intent to discuss and potentially approve the budget, although further details are not available in this portion of the document.
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19:0219 minutes, 2 secondsthank you uh Pledge of Allegiance
19:0919 minutes, 9 secondsyoued I
19:3019 minutes, 30 secondsmake motion to approve the agenda which is the budget as uh Mr H
19:3919 minutes, 39 secondssecond all in favor say I oppose nobody opposes motion
19:4619 minutes, 46 secondscarries and basically the budget requiring
19:5319 minutes, 53 secondsattention and John you got it or are you going to turn it over to oh go ahead Mr so basically um the
20:0320 minutes, 3 secondsCounty Commission budget committee I guess it was uh sent back with the recommendation they took the
20:1120 minutes, 11 seconds$37,988 that we had requested in property
20:1820 minutes, 18 secondstax and divided it between property tax and local option sales tax what they did
20:2620 minutes, 26 secondswas for the request uh of commissioner Nash was to round the
20:3220 minutes, 32 secondsproperty tax to an even number of pennies up to 58 cents which gave a uh
20:4220 minutes, 42 secondsproperty tax increase from the prior year uh budgeted amount of $5
20:4920 minutes, 49 seconds57,7 69 they move the remaining difference of
20:5620 minutes, 56 secondsthat into local watch and sales tax estimate uh given $80,100
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21:2821 minutes, 28 secondsand they did approve one board three by the way so that's why it's
21:4121 minutes, 41 secondsnot um and attain a motion to approve the 141 as
21:4921 minutes, 49 secondspresented make motion we approve the budget as amended Mr H made motion to approve need
21:5621 minutes, 56 secondsa second I second it chrisy second any discussion
22:0522 minutes, 5 secondsyes uh I have a conflict of interest to the proposed 2024 budget about to be voted on because of my brother niece
22:1322 minutes, 13 secondsemployed with the hi County school system however I declare that my argument my vote answer only to my conscience my obligation to my
22:2122 minutes, 21 secondsconstituents and the citizens this board represents I have obligation to the citizens in my district to not place a a
22:2922 minutes, 29 secondsseen or projected burden on them I believe this budget will place on us a path reoccurring expenses that will
22:3622 minutes, 36 secondsdelete deplete our general fund to an unacceptable level within the next three years a path we have not taken in the
22:4422 minutes, 44 secondspast this budget has neglected our long range plans to maintain our infrastructure our property taxes are
22:5122 minutes, 51 secondshigher than any any of the counties that surround us except Dixon County which is a an opinion difference my constituents
23:0123 minutes, 1 seconddo not want anything in the budget that might increase their property taxes and place any other F burden on them since our student population has decreased by
23:1023 minutes, 10 secondsalmost 200 students this year alone it makes no sense to increase our spending these were preliminary projections for
23:1723 minutes, 17 secondsTia that were provided in March of 2024 it looks like the funding formula requires 3,786
23:2623 minutes, 26 seconds$341 but the county provides $ 5,843
23:3423 minutes, 34 seconds$843,000 there's a difference of 2,573 46 the County Commission does have
23:4323 minutes, 43 secondsthe ability to reduce if there is a drop in enrollment however if there is no decrease next
23:5023 minutes, 50 secondsyear this option may not be used there has been a 213 reduction of students
23:5623 minutes, 56 secondssince April 23 to April of 24 this loss would equal
24:0324 minutes, 3 seconds$775 according to the Tissa base statement times 213 students of 1 and a.
24:0924 minutes, 9 secondshalf million uh revenues that we could have had but don't and is a 7% reduction in student attendance for the current
24:1724 minutes, 17 secondsstudent population of roughly 29 2,926 students I urge you to vote no on
24:2524 minutes, 25 secondsthis budget this budget needs more work and thoughtful consideration by the bo thank you anybody else have anything to
24:3424 minutes, 34 secondssay what you're you're talking about this current year The 23's down right you're way now and so it doesn't since
24:4324 minutes, 43 secondssince April of last uh that's not this year but that but the the t is in a in a year in the re right so T is that will
24:5224 minutes, 52 secondsaffect next year's budget T is t a document that yeah this this year well
24:5924 minutes, 59 secondsthe TSA funding document is uh based upon what you I just sent you today okay
25:0825 minutes, 8 secondsthat we were not bu um actually the March estimate was
25:1625 minutes, 16 secondsprovided in the discussion during the I believe it was the March Court meeting and in the April for meeting was that
25:2325 minutes, 23 secondswas our original estimate for Tisa we had an increase in t Isa in the April
25:3025 minutes, 30 secondsestimate that when you voted on the um one that we sent to the
25:3725 minutes, 37 secondscommission had the increased April estimate in t uh in the budg that was
25:4525 minutes, 45 secondsfrom the April but the original document I believe was provided at one of the board meting this this uh
25:5325 minutes, 53 secondsMarch 25th T of preliminary estimates from the state and uh department has got
26:0026 minutesuh considerable D data in it that uh It also says that those that that can
26:0726 minutes, 7 secondschange as the end of the year is finalized um but the
26:1526 minutes, 15 secondsthe statement I read is based upon uh this pie of document as it
26:2326 minutes, 23 secondsstands that was The Testament we received an AAL estimate that increased
26:2926 minutes, 29 secondsthe Tissa amount to um the estimate that is in the current proposal that you all
26:3826 minutes, 38 secondsheard that the April this is the last data that we were fed as an official
26:4626 minutes, 46 secondsdocument that came from Governor Lee and the state department no was I beg to differ with you on that because we
26:5426 minutes, 54 secondscommunicated the Tissa amount that we put in to the budget that you approved and so
27:0227 minutes, 2 secondsit was from the April estimate that we had received saying governor L document is wrong no I'm saying we have an April
27:1127 minutes, 11 secondsGovernor's lead estimate and we will have a May estimate and the April number is what's in the
27:2027 minutes, 20 secondsbudget is there $7,750 that are listed on their expected for each student
27:3227 minutes, 32 seconds$775 if you okay with a state
27:3927 minutes, 39 secondsfunding local es or state estimate excluding postsecondary tests of
27:5027 minutes, 50 seconds$4,228 220 excuse me 24,2 28,6
27:5927 minutes, 59 seconds74 which is in the TSA line item right there of the budget that you
28:0928 minutes, 9 secondsall approved and sent to the County Commission what I'm saying is the
28:1628 minutes, 16 seconds23 you know wrong but the 23 that we we on this year 23 from April 23 to April
28:2428 minutes, 24 secondsof this year or till current right and that and that be the p amount for this budget for this budget this is the
28:3328 minutes, 33 secondsfunding we present it to the we presented to the county County Commission that we was down 60 that was
28:4028 minutes, 40 secondsfrom 22 we're down 60 from uh 22 from
28:4528 minutes, 45 seconds20 uh sorry yeah uh the year before the 22 2 yes yes yes
28:5628 minutes, 56 secondsand so then now we're founding that we 20 we're down 200 this time so that'll be next year's impact right that's what I'm saying that's budget impact next
29:0529 minutes, 5 secondsyear next this is for this year's budget this coming up budget
29:1429 minutes, 14 seconds25 that's okay I'm confused yeah think do you have do you have this one here
29:2229 minutes, 22 secondssays as of March 20 do you have this document that you can make a copy and give us
29:2929 minutes, 29 secondsyes I also have the April one that is the newest estimate and we will have an updated estim well that's
29:3629 minutes, 36 secondswhy I say the April when I got the Marchin yeah so so you which wasn't provided to so you're thinking there's going to be more money with from be lost
29:4629 minutes, 46 secondshere into what we're voting on now no this is what they're giving us I'm just saying there's a uh an
29:5329 minutes, 53 secondsincrease uh in the the budget for tire taxes do you have the that's what she's
30:0030 minutesmaking copies of it right now yeah get in a u we were in a budget committee meeting
30:1030 minutes, 10 secondsand we and we got it to $2.9 million right and then and then the board voted
30:1630 minutes, 16 secondsto uh try to reduce it to 2.5 2.5 million and during that next week we got
30:2430 minutes, 24 secondsnew Tisa estimates how much how much more was it it was roughly I don't have
30:3130 minutes, 31 secondsit me right now was 108 or 128,000 somewhere around in there yeah so we got
30:3830 minutes, 38 secondsnew estimates and then we we got we found some more opportunities and um uh we Clos we Clos it
30:4730 minutes, 47 secondsdown uh to 2.5 I may students does your Mar or April one refle she has taken it from me
30:5630 minutes, 56 secondscanot have it right now we still got May to go through and June to go through before we end up to the end of June and
31:0431 minutes, 4 secondsthat it changed the actual final will come in
31:1131 minutes, 11 secondsJuly and it will be more more than likely higher c as our teachers like on
31:2031 minutes, 20 secondsthe sped side in a soall their documentation they get SP in to the TSA document um the um
31:3031 minutes, 30 secondsoriginal what we budgeted last year versus what is what we're receiving in Tisa for this current fiscal year
31:3931 minutes, 39 secondsbecause that actual amount came in July is different than what the budget of amount was approved at that will be the
31:4631 minutes, 46 secondssame thing that happens here but what we included for you all and we did communicate that was the change in the
31:5531 minutes, 55 secondsApril estimate and we highlighted that because of the time that we received it we highlighted that we had put that
32:0432 minutes, 4 secondsamount in there as we were trying to get it was 128,000 it was somewhere I can give you an exact amount yeah well
32:1332 minutes, 13 secondsregardless of you know whether it's 60 23 whatever
32:2132 minutes, 21 secondsif you take 23 kids that's approximately what we have what eight schools mhm it's about 25 maybe a little bit more per
32:2932 minutes, 29 secondsSchool you divide that between however many grades we have we have three or four grades you know you're looking at8
32:3632 minutes, 36 secondsto t you know 8 to 10 kids per grade that you're even at 213 that you've lost that still doesn't change
32:4432 minutes, 44 secondsthe fact that we still you know that's not that doesn't change the amount of electricity it takes to use the building that doesn't uh or any other you know
32:5332 minutes, 53 secondsthe cafeteria the you know the workers the um you know the the fact that you've got
33:0033 minutesto be at $50,000 for new teachers in two years I mean yes it's a large amount of kids but it we still have eight
33:1033 minutes, 10 secondsbuildings to keep up and you know eight kids in each grade financially I mean you're still
33:1933 minutes, 19 secondsyou still got you know per classroom you may have 20 instead of 22 I mean it's still you still have to have a teacher
33:2833 minutes, 28 secondsfor that classroom you know so yeah I don't disagree with you Dr
33:3633 minutes, 36 secondsNash said years ago when I was on the County Commission and afterwards and he said it many times the that we have to
33:4433 minutes, 44 secondstreat a lot of this like a business you got money coming in money flowing out and we need extra money and so I'm just
33:5233 minutes, 52 secondsI I look at it that way uh and I mean what's changed since
34:0034 minutesthe here what Chang what's C you the most concerned is I think I think you know I think you voted no last time I
34:0734 minutes, 7 secondsvoted no the last time under the same circumstances a deal everything in the whole place is gone there's not a thing that hasn't gone up we can't buy three
34:1634 minutes, 16 secondsbuses because we can only buy one they've went up how much $3,000 $40,000 yeah so what somebody's got to
34:2434 minutes, 24 secondshave pay for that and and and with all of these buses that have sat in some cases they've sat there for a year before they've been activated and it's
34:3334 minutes, 33 secondsnot John didn't do that but they they bought we bought the buses and they sat there and then then so you get a bus in
34:4134 minutes, 41 secondsyou let it sit you're losing one year of usage because of the time limit that you can only use that bus and so uh I'm not
34:5134 minutes, 51 secondssaying anything about the bus is you need to know the miles and I understand they change the routes but how many bus we got sitting around
34:5934 minutes, 59 secondsdoing nothing we got 10 Subs but they leave every day so the subs use the bus the other
35:0735 minutes, 7 secondspeople don't so that there's mileage being saved there in that sense let's get it a
35:1735 minutes, 17 secondsvot there's a question is put forth there's no other other uh discussion
35:2435 minutes, 24 secondsthen we will vote br all vote please allow me to vote
35:3235 minutes, 32 secondsfirst sorry allow me to vote first that's my option she Mr
35:3935 minutes, 39 secondsG no Mr Hobs well because um employed have
35:4735 minutes, 47 secondsa family that's employed County School System I have conflict of interest in a proposal about to be control however I
35:5335 minutes, 53 secondswas Clare that my argument and my vote answer only to my constituents and to my
36:0136 minutes, 1 secondobligation to B to the citizen of board I vote Yes Mr Lane yes Miss ma
36:1136 minutes, 11 secondsyes Miss Baker I've had this before I'll say it
36:2036 minutes, 20 secondsagain I can't vote in good conscience to raise people's taxes I agree that we need to give the
36:2936 minutes, 29 secondsens and staff raises but I can't vote raising
36:3736 minutes, 37 secondsthe increasing the sense so I'm voting
36:4436 minutes, 44 secondsno T is three yay 2 N motion doesn't
36:5336 minutes, 53 secondscarry anybody like to change their vote no change in vote budget's not
37:0337 minutes, 3 secondspassed the idea when we going to set up this again we look it now what's our next
37:1237 minutes, 12 secondsmeeting date on the county M like it tonight they want it tonight
37:2037 minutes, 20 secondsbut somebody like to go over and tell them it's not text them we already set that up to taex on
37:2937 minutes, 29 secondsboard's decision if they went along with it well we presented to them and first time in 20 something years if they went
37:3637 minutes, 36 secondsalong with it me unanimously without having to go back and forth three times see they don't have to worry about and of course we've already
37:4537 minutes, 45 secondsvoted on it but they don't have to worry about in two or three years with the dipping into the reserve funds of
37:5237 minutes, 52 secondsgetting to the point that uh we would be in dire streets I mean not be here uh
37:5937 minutes, 59 secondsthe only one that's may be here for sure is Tim in three years Shar can I m so if we
38:0938 minutes, 9 secondsuh give back so you struggling with that we got to right I would totally you vote
38:1638 minutes, 16 secondsfor it we we give that back if we didn't touch that if we not touching any taxes
38:2338 minutes, 23 secondsproperty taxes I would go for it I okay we kicked enough back to them over years 11 cents and
38:3138 minutes, 31 secondssomething uh and we've struggled and we've been lucky we have buil up but it's going away and I understand that but you got to keep up with the time
38:4038 minutes, 40 secondsjust like when you go by gas wow gas is high this week may may be down next week that's not everything else everything else is on straight up well and let me
38:4838 minutes, 48 secondstell Mr Mullen gave them a penny back last year so two penni and those two pennies were worth more than they are
38:5538 minutes, 55 secondsthis year yes but they made it up sales tax last year sales
39:0239 minutes, 2 secondstaxes in at what it comes in it is not a giving to us that that is not a budgeted
39:1239 minutes, 12 secondsamount they do not it's budgeted for maintenance of effort but they do not set how much sales tax we get if you
39:2139 minutes, 21 secondsbudget it at 2.5 million and it comes in at 3 million that's what
39:2739 minutes, 27 secondsif you budget it at 2.9 Million and it comes in it's still going to come in at 3 million whatever it's going to come in
39:3639 minutes, 36 secondsat what they decide does not control the amount of money that we receive from
39:4239 minutes, 42 secondssales tax it's always 50% of all the sales tax local option that is collected
39:5039 minutes, 50 secondsin the county and in the city it's not a budgeted number that we can change
39:5739 minutes, 57 secondsexcept for maintenance of effort correct it's but it doesn't impact how much we
40:0440 minutes, 4 secondswill get in C they just kind of moved the estimate over there what they did right they move the maintenance of eff
40:1240 minutes, 12 secondsportion over there which is fine but it's not it's they didn't give us St in budget property tax we will get whatever
40:2040 minutes, 20 secondsthey budget we budget at 92 or 93% they budget us at 92 or 93%
40:2740 minutes, 27 secondsof 100% collection of property tax for the school whatever that penny is so
40:3440 minutes, 34 secondswhen if you lower property tax that's a hard number that you're not going to get the moving of sales tax is a maintenance
40:4340 minutes, 43 secondsof effort issue it does not control the amount of sales tax that you will get you will get half of the sales tax that
40:5140 minutes, 51 secondsis collected by the county regardless of what the budget number is that will not change that stay all and again I've sat
41:0141 minutes, 1 secondin their seat not on the county side but I understand that maintenance of effort in using sales tax in relation to that
41:0941 minutes, 9 secondsbut it is not giving us more dollars the people
41:1841 minutes, 18 secondsspending on sales taxes what or um purchasing and purchasing locally is what gives us more dollars on the sales
41:2741 minutes, 27 secondstax side or less dollars they have no control from a budget standpoint of what
41:3441 minutes, 34 secondsthose dollars were wor they do on policy side but not on and if we go in a recession and the and purchasing goes
41:4141 minutes, 41 secondsdown I mean sales tax could very well they still have to meet the maintenance of effort amount The Bu they have to
41:4941 minutes, 49 secondsmeet the maintenance R explain they that with the decrease in the uh students
41:5641 minutes, 56 secondsthey can take it they could and or and or they could make us consolidate schools and they got blow enough well
42:0342 minutes, 3 secondsyeah but I I was just I was there other night for the for the uh the meeting and
42:1042 minutes, 10 secondswith the County Commission and and director Mullin spoke and he took he spilled at all their questions and it
42:1842 minutes, 18 secondsand they're really concerned about this grading of our schools me too and that's
42:2642 minutes, 26 secondswhat they were with it was unanimous they were cons that's a different group of folks and I know I know almost all of them and
42:3442 minutes, 34 secondsto get all them they were all together as far as uh wanting that that uh that
42:4242 minutes, 42 secondsgrade the grade of our schools to come up and I think that's why they're I think they're supporting this I really
42:4942 minutes, 49 secondsdo and uh I from what I saw the night I don't know know what you feel like Mr I
42:5742 minutes, 57 secondsthought like f it was a shocking to me it was me like it was like it it it really compared to last year you know it
43:0543 minutes, 5 secondswas my second time to be there it seemed like they they were really concerned about that letter grade of our school especially one of the schools we talked
43:1343 minutes, 13 secondsabout was at at the bottom 5% yes and that was and several of the uh uh commiss the Commissioners from the
43:2143 minutes, 21 secondsEast Hickman Commissioners were very concerned I think because that school was in East and they were very concerned about that school and they would asked
43:2843 minutes, 28 secondsabout that and uh and uh so I I do not answer to the County Commissioners I answer to my constituents out there that
43:3743 minutes, 37 secondsunderstand and that's uh there's several reached out to me and says no more but anything that might cause a property tax
43:4543 minutes, 45 secondsincrease well we're looking at for Sunday and how much they're wanting to raise it you know and and
43:5443 minutes, 54 secondsactually when you get down to some of the stuff that talking about spending you know there's two things you need to
44:0144 minutes, 1 seconddo educate or fund education and safety that's two most important things you know if we don't do that we something
44:0944 minutes, 9 secondswrong from what I understand from talking to I mean they're going to have to increase property tax I mean everybody that I've talked to it's
44:1744 minutes, 17 secondscoming and if you and if you have to what better way to spend it on your than on your schools especially our school
44:2544 minutes, 25 secondsbut I don't see this budget impacting property taxes this year now next year may what we're saying now about these
44:3344 minutes, 33 seconds23 students I think next year budget is going to have to be a hard but I think this I don't see this budget it's a 1%
44:4044 minutes, 40 secondsis what G uh speak this is a go ahead John
44:5244 minutes, 52 secondsum p m county is limited in the number of commercial and
45:0145 minutes, 1 secondindustrial property properties uh it's my understanding that commercial and Industrial properties pay
45:0945 minutes, 9 secondsmore than Residential Properties and when it comes to assessments uh so we're limited so the
45:1645 minutes, 16 secondsso the so the burden falls upon the residential taxpayer in Hickman County
45:2345 minutes, 23 secondsmore so than other counties if you if you go to and see all the commercial properties they have compared it's just
45:3045 minutes, 30 secondswe just don't have that many commercial properties so that that creates a hardship uh it creates a hardship for
45:3845 minutes, 38 secondsHickman County um the we were receiving
45:4545 minutes, 45 seconds56.6 cents from the county and um commissioner Nash made a statement that he wanted to
45:5345 minutes, 53 secondsget out of portions of pennies that they're really is no such no there really is no such thing as a portion of
46:0046 minutesbeing and he moved us to 58 he made a motion and that motion pass unanimously um for
46:0946 minutes, 9 secondsevery for uh every uh for for $200,000 property it's going to increase the
46:1746 minutes, 17 secondstaxes $8 which which if you divide that over 12 months it's going to create it's
46:2346 minutes, 23 secondsgoing to create a 66 cents Burbon on somebody owning a $200,000 property I
46:3146 minutes, 31 secondsunderstand not I understand not wanting to increase taxes and I also understand this this is this is a difficult budget
46:4046 minutes, 40 secondsyear we have talked about this several months we have declining enrollment s eser funds are uh
46:4846 minutes, 48 secondsexpiring is has been a difficult budget year next year because the loss of students will be difficult again but we
46:5646 minutes, 56 secondshave uh uh done the best we could to follow the
47:0547 minutes, 5 secondsdirection and create a budget that we felt like
47:1147 minutes, 11 secondsuh would be effective uh efficient and Equitable uh we we we have we're going
47:1847 minutes, 18 secondsto have less teachers next year I mean we we we're going to have we're going to have less employees next year uh we and
47:2747 minutes, 27 secondsI mean so it's not like we we haven't tried to respond to the situation and as far as I I've been very
47:3547 minutes, 35 secondstransparent um we cannot continue to sustain Transportation by buying one bus a year but fortunately a few years ago
47:4447 minutes, 44 secondswe got a grant to about 13 propane buses and we got 50 we got 50% off on all those buses we're not going to be able
47:5247 minutes, 52 secondsto uh have a uh capital projects budget as low was the one we have but we just
47:5947 minutes, 59 secondsfinished several years of having great amounts of Esser money and we have done tremendous amount of capital Project
48:0748 minutes, 7 secondswork uh in the school district so I I I understand all the concerns but we did receive
48:1648 minutes, 16 secondsuh to update you we voted 3 to two to approve the budget and uh so we're having an after discussion on that 3 to
48:2448 minutes, 24 secondstwo is not it takes four VES 32 to vote for it takes it takes four
48:3148 minutes, 31 secondsvotes but um um I understand I mean I own a home here
48:3948 minutes, 39 secondsI don't want to pay more taxes but I also understand this the pathway forward for this school
48:4848 minutes, 48 secondsdistrict is better schools excuse me the pathway for for this county is better schools that and it takes it and it and
48:5748 minutes, 57 secondsit takes funds and yes we we need to be frugal with funds and we and we we need to take care of money
49:0549 minutes, 5 secondsand um but I haven't been here but for one
49:1449 minutes, 14 secondsyear but our budget presentation was met with a spirit of
49:2249 minutes, 22 secondscooperation that's been greater than the cooperation of the past Mr Hobs you you been on the board for a long time would you agree with that that's the thing so
49:3149 minutes, 31 secondsto me my my struggle is and and I feel for those guys uh one commissioner told me at graduate one of the graduations
49:3949 minutes, 39 secondsthis weekend if they approved every request they they were looking at a dollar increase in property
49:4649 minutes, 46 secondstax and they said we can't do that you know they did approve us 1.4 which is going to cost a
49:5449 minutes, 54 seconds$200,000 property on less than and um
50:0150 minutes, 1 secondso I I hate to and yes we did give them two cents back last year when they were in buy and that two cents last year was
50:1050 minutes, 10 secondsworth about $126,000 so I I just hate at a time when
50:1750 minutes, 17 secondsthey um are seem supportive of what we're trying to accomplish to not not
50:2550 minutes, 25 secondsaccept the 1.4 cents that places a very modest increase I understand I understand the
50:3350 minutes, 33 secondsresistance to increase I get it I understand that I get that I understand that I understand your I understand your
50:4150 minutes, 41 secondsconstituents I don't know if your constituents know the modesty of the increase I mean it it is a modest
50:4950 minutes, 49 secondsincrease $8 a year which $8 is $8 that's $8 for our budget but then when you start and all the other people's budgets
50:5850 minutes, 58 secondsin it's going to increase even more well I I the uh I don't know that I mean they're over there meeting right now and
51:0751 minutes, 7 secondsand and what I don't think everybody's going to get their increase that's that's what the county commissioner told me this so some nonprofits are just
51:1551 minutes, 15 secondsgoing to have to do without an increase but uh they seem to be interested in the
51:2251 minutes, 22 secondsuh well-being of the schools and the fact that it was unanimous i f it some difficult
51:3051 minutes, 30 secondsquestions and uh but they voted unanimously it just seems uh to me it
51:3851 minutes, 38 secondswould be unfortunate if we if we couldn't accept their generosity can
51:4751 minutes, 47 secondswe well Mr even said he basically said to you I was just gonna say he Keith Nash
51:5651 minutes, 56 secondssaid he basically said if our school grade gets better I think that's going to take care of the problem and that's and and
52:0352 minutes, 3 secondsand the reverse works also if we don't get better we're going to lose even more students so we may have to spend a
52:1152 minutes, 11 secondslittle money to get better but we've got to get better if not we're going to lose more and more students we've got to get
52:1852 minutes, 18 secondsour grade better that's just the bottom East it's just geographically easier for those folks to to to go to go somewhere
52:2752 minutes, 27 secondselse yeah they're they're closer to they're just closer to those they're just closer to Dixon and bar I'm not disagreeing with you guys on that not I
52:3752 minutes, 37 secondsmean County Commission already pays almost $2.1 million dollar more in maintenance effort than they have yeah
52:4552 minutes, 45 secondsright and and and I think that I think they know that and I think that tells me that they can they see the the need for
52:5452 minutes, 54 secondsthe investment also I think the problem also is if you're looking at our budget this year it's 69 million I
53:0253 minutes, 2 seconds69 $39 million okay it's went up from last year right I realize that everything is went
53:1053 minutes, 10 secondsup I realized that but I also realized that our population has went down I also
53:1753 minutes, 17 secondsrealized that the County Commission can take away money from our maintenance of effort because our population is deing
53:2553 minutes, 25 secondsso we're they gave us 5 million something right now they could drop that they could drop it to whatever I don't I
53:3453 minutes, 34 secondshave forgot how much it is if it is her student that they can drop it but they didn't drop it they chose they they
53:4153 minutes, 41 secondschose to give us a very small modest increase which which which to
53:4853 minutes, 48 secondsme I I believe that they consider that an investment I I think they
53:5453 minutes, 54 secondsrealize um they were concerned about they were
54:0254 minutes, 2 secondsreally concerned it was it it got their attention that when when director mulls give them the give them the facts and I
54:1054 minutes, 10 secondsdon't know if they was fully aware of the facts well most people move here don't have school- a
54:1854 minutes, 18 secondschildren huh they don't have school most people that move here don't have people that are move relocating our County or
54:2654 minutes, 26 secondsare retirees or a lot of retirees uh homeschool yes homeschool
54:3454 minutes, 34 secondsyes lot of yes there has been an influence of people who homeschool absolutely absolutely uh what was the question you
54:4354 minutes, 43 secondsasked about Robert rules the one I was uh can we can we vote again I think you can I say I think it says uh I'll just a
54:5254 minutes, 52 secondsmodule you have a motion to reconsider if it's made on this same day the vote of the original motion was
55:0055 minutestaken yeah you're looking at that motion to reconsider yeah rob a motion to
55:1055 minutes, 10 secondsreconsider you look yeah what did it say it says a strict application of Robert's Rules requires that a motion to reconsider to be made on the same day
55:1955 minutes, 19 secondsthe vote of the original motion was taken which is the same day same I'll make a motion that would
55:2655 minutes, 26 secondsreconsider the the 2
55:3355 minutes, 33 seconds2425 uh budget for the hi County School District second have a motion by Doug Lane second
55:4055 minutes, 40 secondsby Tim Hobs I'll read that back just so you got it
55:4755 minutes, 47 secondscorrectly please the motion is to reconsider the
55:5455 minutes, 54 seconds2425 budget for the hman County School District GRE sounds sounds good uh roll
56:0256 minutes, 2 secondscall vote Please Mr Hobs yes Mr
56:0856 minutes, 8 secondsHUD wait till you can Mr Lane yes Miss
56:1356 minutes, 13 secondsma yes Miss Baker no Mr gon no and Mr
56:2556 minutes, 25 secondshudin I hesitate to vote I haven't been here I'm sorry I'm just uh you just yeah
56:3256 minutes, 32 secondsyeah well I mean I I don't think that's it get okay we have a discussion we didn't we had discussion that you missed
56:3956 minutes, 39 secondsa lot discussion missed a lot of discuss think I need to vote on something this important
56:4756 minutes, 47 secondswithout we can let's just make to this is a vote to reconsider yeah this is just a vote to reconsider right oh
56:5656 minutes, 56 secondsif you yeah yes vot to reconsider now to
57:0357 minutes, 3 secondsRecons motion is how many in favor four four four 4 two four yay two n to
57:1257 minutes, 12 secondsreconsider to reconsider the the people at absent are no votes so yes four to consider three again so we need another
57:2057 minutes, 20 secondsMotion in second to to debate for discussion again that's that would be appropriate yeah motion make a motion to
57:2957 minutes, 29 secondsapprove the budget and then the chair will discussion Mo to approve the
57:3657 minutes, 36 secondsbudget 141 Tim H makes a motion to to approve the
57:4357 minutes, 43 secondsuh may this may now we'll have discussion red
57:5357 minutes, 53 secondsdiscussion I again okay and since I have already stated mine here you
58:0358 minutes, 3 secondsgo and if you don't
58:1058 minutes, 10 secondsmind if you don't mind Mike would you yeah so in our original budget that
58:1758 minutes, 17 secondswas sent over the maintenance of effort from the local is the same that they sent back what they did basically we had
58:2758 minutes, 27 seconds$37,988 in property tax increase from what we sent over they moved
58:3658 minutes, 36 seconds$8,155 of that into sales tax and get the property tax by giving
58:4458 minutes, 44 secondsus a 1.34 c increase the property tax increase is $
58:5358 minutes, 53 seconds57,7 169 over PR year property tax budget estimate and so they
59:0259 minutes, 2 secondsprovided from a maintenance of eff standpoint everything that we asked for that you all approved they just split it
59:1259 minutes, 12 secondsbetween sales tax 80,1 169 increase property tax $
59:2059 minutes, 20 seconds57,7 169 increase the board uh the last meeting that we had at Hitman County
59:2859 minutes, 28 secondsHigh School Mr Willis made a motion to approve the budget with the contingency
59:3559 minutes, 35 secondsthat we would ask for three cents uh and that's so we sent a budget
59:4359 minutes, 43 secondsto the County Commission the the budget that we had worked on with a request for three cents the three cents amounted to
59:5359 minutes, 53 seconds$137,000 so what what the what what the County Commission did was they mo they
59:5959 minutes, 59 secondsupped our property tax from 56.66 cents to 58 cents they said they
1:00:071 hour, 7 secondswanted to get out of dealing with fractional pennies so it's 58 and and so
1:00:141 hour, 14 secondsthat increase will provide us 57,000 extra dollars we had budgeted our sales
1:00:231 hour, 23 secondstax conservatively because like Miss May said you never know the sales tax is impacted by the economy so you so you
1:00:321 hour, 32 secondshave to budget sales tax conservatively but they moved $80,000 they increased our sales tax uh
1:00:401 hour, 40 secondsas they use $80,000 of sales tax what we're going to receive Anyway by Tennessee law we get 50% of the sales
1:00:481 hour, 48 secondstax but they they close the gap on our sales tax by increasing $80,000 to use
1:00:551 hour, 55 secondsthat for maintenance of AFC so they gave us $137,000 additional maintenance of effort and they did it
1:01:031 hour, 1 minute, 3 secondsunanimously they voted 14 to zero to do that which which I was pleased that they would do that unanimously and then and
1:01:121 hour, 1 minute, 12 secondsthen tonight Mr gamon uh he is is worried about increasing people's property so m b and I respect y'all and
1:01:221 hour, 1 minute, 22 secondsdon't you know that I respect your your opinion on that now the uh the document that I based
1:01:291 hour, 1 minute, 29 secondsmine on I was told that there's one since then which is the
1:01:351 hour, 1 minute, 35 secondsTSA the March uh fly 25 TSA preliminary estimates that uh are here so and the
1:01:431 hour, 1 minute, 43 secondsmaintenance of effort and all that and since then is during this meeting they presented and do you have a copy of this
1:01:511 hour, 1 minute, 51 secondsApril uh preliminary estimate he does you have which uh changes the numbers
1:01:591 hour, 1 minute, 59 secondssome but one of my I I'll just quickly highlight uh the statement that
1:02:051 hour, 2 minutes, 5 secondsI read there there basically have lost U 2133 students since April of 23 till
1:02:141 hour, 2 minutes, 14 secondscurrent which it at a funding rate of $7,750 per TSA base that equals about a
1:02:221 hour, 2 minutes, 22 secondsmillion and a half is it's the numbers there of course the the numbers are continually changing with Tissa until
1:02:301 hour, 2 minutes, 30 secondsthe end of the year but I'm I'm against anything that's going to
1:02:391 hour, 2 minutes, 39 secondsreoccurring fees that you're going to put in the budget reoccurring cost I'm afraid that in two or three
1:02:461 hour, 2 minutes, 46 secondsyears that that's going to leave a uh a problem for whoever's left over with the board and we're supposed to be looking
1:02:551 hour, 2 minutes, 55 secondsahead also and I stated that in the document if you want to read read it there but uh it
1:03:021 hour, 3 minutes, 2 secondswith a decrease in students that means they could reduce the maintenance
1:03:101 hour, 3 minutes, 10 secondsof effort and and all and droping enrollment which the droping enrollment is pretty obvious from last
1:03:171 hour, 3 minutes, 17 secondsyear to this year and hopefully it will not keep and as as Doug pointed out he
1:03:241 hour, 3 minutes, 24 secondssays that uh it will not affect it until next year but it is in the Tisa data
1:03:331 hour, 3 minutes, 33 secondsthat we going to get funded for 24 and 25 I thought I was going to say this Mr
1:03:391 hour, 3 minutes, 39 secondsG we we we have been from the very beginning transparent about the uh detrimental effects of declining
1:03:471 hour, 3 minutes, 47 secondsenrollment I mean we we we we we shared that uh at the with the board all all throughout the year we said we're going
1:03:541 hour, 3 minutes, 54 secondsto face a difficult budget year because of aware aware the aware Grant is
1:04:001 hour, 4 minutesrunning out the uh uh the um s funds are ending but but the main thing the big
1:04:081 hour, 4 minutes, 8 secondsour biggest challenge is declining enrollment I mean that that's 1.5 billion the that's I mean that's a that's a a
1:04:171 hour, 4 minutes, 17 secondsbig Chun it is a big Chun it is a big chob it is a big J and yes the County Commission can decrease your maintenance
1:04:261 hour, 4 minutes, 26 secondsof effort during periods of declining enrollment but they didn't they voted unanimously to give us a small small
1:04:341 hour, 4 minutes, 34 secondsmodest incor well I I am not obligated to the I am obligated to come make
1:04:421 hour, 4 minutes, 42 secondsconstituents out there yes but but you're making a case that they could it sounds like what I'm listening to
1:04:491 hour, 4 minutes, 49 secondsyou just okay that that that you're saying that that money that they're going to take this money that they voted
1:04:561 hour, 4 minutes, 56 secondsto give us for this next budget and they're going to remove it this year I said uh
1:05:041 hour, 5 minutes, 4 secondshowever if there is no decrease next year the option may not be used because of that so thinking like it sounds like we're
1:05:131 hour, 5 minutes, 13 secondswe're conveying to it's not hypothetical when you got the real numbers but it's hypothetical whether they takeing out you let me finish it's
1:05:221 hour, 5 minutes, 22 secondshypothetical to say that they might take it out of this year take it back from us this was so but this budget what we vote
1:05:301 hour, 5 minutes, 30 secondsonight is the budget and they voted on it so you're not say a County Commission that's going to strike a vote in the middle of this school year and say hey
1:05:381 hour, 5 minutes, 38 secondswe want $2 million oh no they can't do it then okay I know it so now that's why that I'm back to that it's my
1:05:461 hour, 5 minutes, 46 secondsresponsibility and yours as the board I mean to look at the long-term effects I agree with of of engaging into something
1:05:551 hour, 5 minutes, 55 secondsthat might and which we're dipping in in a regular basis even Vance said it the
1:06:021 hour, 6 minutes, 2 secondslast meeting that we may dip into it and at some point in time it is going to affect us dramatically for getting too
1:06:121 hour, 6 minutes, 12 secondsdeep into the general fund but but the basis of all this money that we're having to ask this budget the the the
1:06:191 hour, 6 minutes, 19 secondslargest amount is these mandated raises by the state by the St mandated rais for this year was only like hundred and some
1:06:271 hour, 6 minutes, 27 secondsOD dollar oh last year we voted to give up how much was how much 4% how much
1:06:361 hour, 6 minutes, 36 seconds800,000 what you got to remember is that 6% that we added last year we're still
1:06:431 hour, 6 minutes, 43 secondspaying it it's it so it's like 10% this year I'm not saying
1:06:491 hour, 6 minutes, 49 secondsany I'm mated for this year that amount that had to go up was
1:06:561 hour, 6 minutes, 56 seconds$800,000 yeah roughly $200,000 per 1% yeah well that right Mr it's
1:07:031 hour, 7 minutes, 3 seconds$800,000 is that 1 percentage $200,000 we give six last year maybe seven you're talking about $2
1:07:101 hour, 7 minutes, 10 secondsmillion in this budget that car c 1.2 million that carried over from
1:07:181 hour, 7 minutes, 18 secondslast year it's still there this 2 million that we go it's like in time we get to 50,000 for this entry level teach
1:07:261 hour, 7 minutes, 26 secondshow much are we dipping into the reserve fund you going have to keep going weating that's what I'm saying it's got to be we have no choice and if we don't
1:07:341 hour, 7 minutes, 34 secondsSt regulation budg depend on when you talk about the estim we somewhere between 600
1:07:421 hour, 7 minutes, 42 secondsand 1.1 crystal is estimating right at 1.1 for FY 24 okay let's say you just go
1:07:501 hour, 7 minutes, 50 secondswith one million and when will we run out of Reserve funds at that with without be past what the state wants us
1:07:571 hour, 7 minutes, 57 secondsto four years if you continue on the same process and revenues stay at the
1:08:051 hour, 8 minutes, 5 secondssame level and en enr en doesn't change but from the standpoint
1:08:141 hour, 8 minutes, 14 secondsof how the Administration has been operating it's to look at those areas
1:08:221 hour, 8 minutes, 22 secondswhere we can from from a an employee standpoint and this is any different than what we've done in the past either
1:08:301 hour, 8 minutes, 30 secondsbut it's just understanding that the Esser is going away the need to continue
1:08:391 hour, 8 minutes, 39 secondssome programs that come in during that time not because of ESS but the
1:08:461 hour, 8 minutes, 46 secondsefficiency in dealing with Personnel the administration understands the responsibility and what needs to be done
1:08:551 hour, 8 minutes, 55 secondsin that there's a big question on enrollment numbers what can you all see what's on the
1:09:021 hour, 9 minutes, 2 secondsscreen get on the page no this is what tssa July
1:09:111 hour, 9 minutes, 11 seconds2024 or 2023 was our final estimate it was no longer an estimate it was what we were
1:09:191 hour, 9 minutes, 19 secondsgoing to get for Tissa for FY 24 the enrollment number that is on there at
1:09:271 hour, 9 minutes, 27 secondsthe top is 35.94 yeah the current
1:09:351 hour, 9 minutes, 35 secondsestimate that you have that we have received so far in April and we'll receive and by the way the reason this
1:09:421 hour, 9 minutes, 42 secondswas not included is because documents have to be uploaded 5 days before we received this the morning of the board
1:09:511 hour, 9 minutes, 51 secondsmeeting that's right I forgot we can't upload things but we did include the amount in the
1:10:001 hour, 10 minutesbudget and told you all about the amount in the budget you will see that this estimate on students
1:10:081 hour, 10 minutes, 8 secondsenrollment as of April is 29 4811 so roughly if you guys can do the
1:10:151 hour, 10 minutes, 15 secondsmath real quick because my brain is 6 what on day yeah and and what that's
1:10:241 hour, 10 minutes, 24 secondsgoing what they have been the reason they work through these estimates is things have to be properly coded uh
1:10:331 hour, 10 minutes, 33 secondsin rsis along with the St date for kids and all their other codings the state also
1:10:421 hour, 10 minutes, 42 secondsswitched over to a new software system during this year and the March estimates
1:10:511 hour, 10 minutes, 51 secondsand the February estimates they knew were going to be low but not to what extent they weren't sure and they
1:10:591 hour, 10 minutes, 59 secondscontinuing to allow us to make sure that the information we have and that what is being uploaded to them and that does not
1:11:071 hour, 11 minutes, 7 secondsjust include normal enrollment it includes economically disadvantaged codings uh concentrated poverty which
1:11:161 hour, 11 minutes, 16 secondsthat is not a coding that's in the syst based off of uh statistical data but all
1:11:241 hour, 11 minutes, 24 secondsof that that sped that includes what work has been completed and uploaded
1:11:321 hour, 11 minutes, 32 secondsinto the system which goes all the way through the end of June and that's how those qualifications and those dollars
1:11:411 hour, 11 minutes, 41 secondsare in there and why they are trying to make sure there's about four different
1:11:471 hour, 11 minutes, 47 secondssystems that they pull student numbers from okay specially Career Tech
1:11:551 hour, 11 minutes, 55 secondsand so those numbers and in them changing systems this year initially caused some numbers to be
1:12:051 hour, 12 minutes, 5 secondsdown I think if you go in and look at economically disadvantaged from March I know from Fe February estimate it was
1:12:131 hour, 12 minutes, 13 secondsextremely down and that was some coding issues that their system had not picked
1:12:191 hour, 12 minutes, 19 secondsup on like 80 of our kids who were economically disadvantaged just because of the report which it states in the
1:12:261 hour, 12 minutes, 26 secondsdocument but it was on our reporting was correct their system was not picking it
1:12:331 hour, 12 minutes, 33 secondsup they they said in the documents that I got that it can continue to change
1:12:401 hour, 12 minutes, 40 secondsthey refine change all the way up through July but the July one will be the final one regardless of whether if we don't have the data in correctly
1:12:491 hour, 12 minutes, 49 secondswhich we do but if we were not you sit with that July one that's why starting
1:12:571 hour, 12 minutes, 57 secondsin January they start sending out monthly estimates at the first of the
1:13:041 hour, 13 minutes, 4 secondsmonth and ask us to double check everything and we go through nine
1:13:101 hour, 13 minutes, 10 secondsspreadsheets with our supervisors with our student information system person
1:13:181 hour, 13 minutes, 18 secondshere at the central office she communicates to the people at the schools making sure all those code
1:13:251 hour, 13 minutes, 25 secondsare correct but the reason I brought up the July of last year that's your
1:13:351 hour, 13 minutes, 35 secondsnumber of enrollment that we were getting paid for this year based off of the end of last year
1:13:421 hour, 13 minutes, 42 secondsenrollment this is the current enrollment as of April that they have in assistant so you're
1:13:511 hour, 13 minutes, 51 secondsroughly 60 students different 6 and at one point we gave you a I think it was
1:13:581 hour, 13 minutes, 58 secondshandwritten by me it said 60 students $ 7,75 and it came out to be
1:14:051 hour, 14 minutes, 5 seconds400 uh 4 420 30,000 yeah yeah yeah I mean and so
1:14:151 hour, 14 minutes, 15 secondsuh Mr gam I understand I agree oh Mr gam I agree with you that we should have a
1:14:251 hour, 14 minutes, 25 secondslong-term perspective of the budget but also we should have a shortterm perspective and the shortterm
1:14:331 hour, 14 minutes, 33 secondsperspective is to provide for our students and our teachers the best budget that we can provide for them next year there are there has to be a
1:14:421 hour, 14 minutes, 42 secondslong-term uh concern because of because of the fact that we are going into our reserves but we have to kind of balance
1:14:501 hour, 14 minutes, 50 secondsthat those two and and just just like this I understand that that you are representing your constituents but you
1:14:581 hour, 14 minutes, 58 secondsalso are representing what's best for the school system we were able to get through this difficult budget process without cutting any programs and and and
1:15:071 hour, 15 minutes, 7 secondswe felt like that was a good thing that we didn't cut programs and and we're asking more of our teachers we're going to sixth period yeah we are asking more
1:15:151 hour, 15 minutes, 15 secondsof our teachers and and uh and and we they and I think you know but I don't know if you were here when I said this
1:15:221 hour, 15 minutes, 22 secondsMr hudin the one .34 cents that the uh that the uh County
1:15:311 hour, 15 minutes, 31 secondsCommission and that's not final because when we because when we spoke to the County Commission they were using the
1:15:391 hour, 15 minutes, 39 secondssame concept that we used this year to do the budget that was their budget committee yes all County Commissioners
1:15:461 hour, 15 minutes, 46 secondswere there but that was their budget committee so so they can in the final in the final actions of the County
1:15:541 hour, 15 minutes, 54 secondsCommission it it could change what what what the budget committee approved last week but uh I could take it all and put
1:16:021 hour, 16 minutes, 2 secondsit in sales tax if they wanted to yes and all they're doing is they're not really giving it to us they're just putting it in an estimate well they did they they gave us
1:16:081 hour, 16 minutes, 8 seconds$57,000 increase in property tax but here's what I was I don't know if you would hear when I said this a $200,000
1:16:161 hour, 16 minutes, 16 secondsproperty which you which would be pretty close to the median property in Hitman County it's going to cost that person uh
1:16:231 hour, 16 minutes, 23 secondsless than $8 a a year in property tax I don't know if you were hear when I said that for the scoop bar is yeah for the
1:16:311 hour, 16 minutes, 31 secondsscoop bar right for the scoop bar I know they have pressures they had inflationary pressures on them last year yeah they do but it's gotten worse this
1:16:381 hour, 16 minutes, 38 secondsyear yeah inflation has gotten worse it's probably going to get worse
1:16:471 hour, 16 minutes, 47 secondsgot a lot of people are not even getting graes in their jobs well the count has got but we have no choice all
1:16:561 hour, 16 minutes, 56 secondsdepartments have asked for raise over there you know they've already asked for a raise so I how they're going to treat that they've asked for a whole lot of
1:17:041 hour, 17 minutes, 4 secondsthings that they w't done shariff's department for 10% right yeah so it's a lot of they got a lot of job
1:17:141 hour, 17 minutes, 14 secondswork Jim does you that catches you up I think pretty well I think so think so
1:17:231 hour, 17 minutes, 23 secondsseen everybody else say I
1:17:291 hour, 17 minutes, 29 secondsI so I know what I'm if we're ready to vote I'm I'm ready to vote but it's it's
1:17:361 hour, 17 minutes, 36 secondsnot easy vote ready for the question anybody okay the question uh
1:17:431 hour, 17 minutes, 43 secondsso V make a motion no it's we make a motion reconsider we do we make a motion
1:17:511 hour, 17 minutes, 51 secondsto reconsider had motion to Recons consider with a four yet one that's not here and that went
1:17:591 hour, 17 minutes, 59 secondsthrough and then we now have a motion on the floor to approve the 24 25 buet with
1:18:051 hour, 18 minutes, 5 secondsa uh motion made by Mr h and a second by Miss
1:18:121 hour, 18 minutes, 12 secondsMay okay so roll call vote Miss May yes Mr Lane yes Mr hudon
1:18:231 hour, 18 minutes, 23 secondsyes Mr yes Mr gam no Miss Baker no that's four
1:18:311 hour, 18 minutes, 31 secondsyay two nay and one absent 4 three motion carries is a
1:18:371 hour, 18 minutes, 37 secondsperson who's absent vote count is no yes that's that's why it's it's it's if
1:18:451 hour, 18 minutes, 45 secondssomebody's got something they want to vote on it's very important they be there or the the whole thing gets
1:18:521 hour, 18 minutes, 52 secondspostponed till the next meeting or resed whatever so okay uh so the else Mr chair
1:19:011 hour, 19 minutes, 1 secondI don't have anything unless somebody has something the next next thing is the board meeting so
1:19:081 hour, 19 minutes, 8 secondshave to wait we see what happens be back here again you talked to them last you were over there weren uh
1:19:161 hour, 19 minutes, 16 secondsthat they wanted brought over and let them no Mr U Mr Elin um made
1:19:231 hour, 19 minutes, 23 secondsarrangements with is it Fitzgerald Miss Fitzgerald that we would text her the outcome of our meeting and
1:19:311 hour, 19 minutes, 31 secondsshe said that would be okay cuz they were they weren't going to start on the school part until later right yes and
1:19:391 hour, 19 minutes, 39 secondsultimately what they