Here. Ethan Hudson. Shelly Farranago. Tony Esso. Here. Steve Eichmann. Here. Bob Holt. Nick Bentley. Zach Bentley. Here. Jonathan LaCasse. Here. LaCasse? LaCasse. I think I've asked you that before. Alright. If you have an agenda the first thing we're going to do is election of a chairman. I nominate Jim Tanner. I have a nomination for Jim Tanner. And the second, do we have any other nominations? I move all nominations cease and Jim be elected by acclamation. We have a motion that all nominations cease and elect Jim by acclamation. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed. Can I sit here? Good. Alright. Next would be Vice Chair. Yes. We will entertain a motion for Vice Chair. Motion heard. Motion heard. Tony Escher, Vice Chair. Seconded by Mr. Jordan. Any discussion? Mr. Anglin made a motion for all nominations cease and for Tony to be elected by acclamation. Do I hear a second? Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Mr. Escher has Vice Chair. Ms. Valerie has already been posted up as secretary so we got that out of the way. Next on my list I see approval of agenda. Motion made by Mr. Gene Augusto to approve the agenda. Do we hear a second? Second. Mr. Bentley, I see this angle up. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Ayes have it. Agenda has been approved. Next is the public comment period. Did anyone we did not have a list was there anyone that wanted to speak during the public comment period? All right. Moving on. Adoption of the minutes from the previous meeting on August 3rd. Hopefully you guys got to see those. They had come through the email from Ms. Christy at the mayor's office. We will take a moment if you need to glance over them again but until that point I'll entertain a motion to approve those minutes. Motion approved. Motion approved by Mr. Gene Augusto. Do I hear a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Jordan. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Ayes have it. The minutes have been adopted. Next we'll move on to our monthly reports from the department heads. I don't have... Is there a list on how you want to do it? All right. Who wants to go first? Director Woodhoff. So those of you... Welcome all you new commissioners, by the way. For those of you who don't know me, my name is Jesse Woodhoff. I know most of you but a few of y'all I've not personally talked to. Been down in the service for 30 years so I've been around a day or two. Y'all have seen... I should have got it in your packet. I sent two reports in it. The reason I did is because public safety hasn't met for two months. We did not meet in August nor September. So that's why you have two specific numbers there. I'll read them off. You'll notice that they are behind a month so you don't have numbers for October or September. You have July and August's numbers here. Next meeting you'll have September's numbers so just to clarify that. In July we ran 287 calls. We charged out $195,507.67. Total collections was $107,008.94. And that would complete July's numbers. Make a motion to approve. Motion from Commissioner Escher to approve July's numbers. Do we hear a second? Second. Second by Mr. Shelley. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Numbers have been approved. Moving on to August's numbers. We had a total run of $271. We billed out $132,296.50 and collected $92,522.07. And you'll see as the month's goal would come the numbers will fluctuate between $92,000 and $110,000 back and forth. It just depends on when Medicare and FAS to send their patients in. Also, actually we need a motion to approve those. A motion to approve those. Seconded by Mr. Giancarlo. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Numbers adopted. We have two requests for write-offs. We'll do them one at a time that way I can explain each one of them. Commissioner Anglin was nice enough to inform me when I scanned it in, some of them went sideways so I do apologize for that. I don't know why they went through the scanner sideways. The first one is a 94-year-old female. She's on a fixed income. She can't afford to pay her bill. Insurance paid all but $300 of her bill. She has filled out the waiver for hardship paperwork. So we're requesting to write-off $300 for that nice lady. Motion to write-off $300 for the lady. Motion made by Commissioner Jordan. Seconded by Commissioner Pickard. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Motion passed. Last but not least, we have one more write-off. It's a family of a one-year-old female that we transported. She only has one parent in the home that's working due to the mother being pregnant again. The family has qualified for financial hardship through the hospital and I thought that we were one in the same when they filled out all the paperwork. They're asking to write-off $711 and they did send in their financial stuff that was in your packet along with our last year tax forms and everything. So $711 they're requesting. Entertain a motion to write-off the amount. I'll make a motion. Second. Motion made. Seconded by Jonathan. Any discussion? Do we have a particular policy that tells us how we do write those off or the reasoning? What they do is they request financial hardship and usually if they can prove that they really are financially in hardship, we try to help them if we can. After the insurance pays, the rest of the family will pay. The insurance pays whatever they want so they'll request it. That being said, on that one, the $711, you're probably never going to get your pay. There's no standard across the board. It's just case by case. Any other discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? As I have it, motion passed. Now all the businesses took care of. Just to give everybody a brief update, we're still in operation. Four people short since July 1st due to workers' comp injuries and other personal injuries that happened outside of work on one of them, two of them. We did get one back so we're still three short. We are maintaining fairly as good as we can. Stay within our budget on our overtime and our personnel so that's a good thing. I don't know how we have being four people short, but we have. Another good note, most of you know that we applied for a grant for $305,000 for ambulance. The ambulance arrived last Monday. It is sitting in the back parking lot of our ambulance service and will be put in service shortly. And we also got our remount back from our other one so we have two brand new ambulances. One is already in service and the other one will be by the end of the month, we hope. So all good things. Thank y'all for y'all's support and I'll entertain any questions you have over there. Any questions for Director Woodall? Thank you, Mr. Justin. Sheriff. Good evening, everybody. Hope everybody made it to the Banana Pudding Festival. Don't you want to see what some of y'all did? I probably didn't do it at all. It seemed like we had a pretty good turnout. Weather permitting, Saturday was a little bit slower because of rain. I know Evan's wife and daughter was there working. I've never seen him much. No, it was a good event. No major issues that we had. We had a good time. We had one new group that graduated the academy this past month. We got one that's in the academy now. In my report, some of our calls, if anybody got a chance to look at that, kind of break down all the calls that we responded to and what we've had during that month. I do apologize sometimes. I'm late in getting those out because we do get them at the end of the month and I try to get everything out and get it sent out as soon as I can, but sometimes we get busy and don't get it done, but we try to do what we can. There's one thing I talked to Casey about today. Miss April was 9-1-1 and I talked to Casey. I sent him the information earlier. I'll probably need... I'm just trying to help them out with this. It really has nothing to do with me. That's the constables. We need something to go through the county commission that will give them permission to run, tax, and driver's license. We have to have something go through the county commission and then to be signed off on by Danny Robert, who is supervisor over at dispatch right now. I think April pretty much has it done, but I will need a couple people that... Is that a resolution that you need to go through? Yes. Casey's direct on it. I think April's supposed to send it to him today. I got it a couple days ago. If you're good, you might get with Casey. There's been a lot of conversation about getting that done. It's about what the rules are in place of how that proceeds. My understanding is once we do this, it just never has been done before, then it'll be good from now on. Any questions I can help with that, I'd be glad to if I can. Does that need to be approved by this committee, then the full court, or is it good just to... If Tony takes a look at it and reminds Casey to send it off to us electronically and we look at it, can we just vote on it at the end of the month and be good? It would be just a resolution that's given elected constables permission, as long as they qualify to run, tax, and driver's license. We're going to have to go through the full county committee. Come from here to recommend it. We'll need to see it first before it goes to the full court. Next month, we can come up with that to bring it forward. If this committee has to review it first, I don't think so. We can review it, recommend it, and go to the full county committee even though that's us. Resolution has to go to the full body. I just want to make sure that it didn't have to come to the committee, that way we could vote on it at the end of this month at the full court to get it through. I had Taylor at my office run through and this did not get put in the email, but this is actually the revenue side of the Sheriff's Office and it actually goes back from 2018. I think I spoke to a few of you all about that. Where we were at before and where we're at now. I'd be glad to answer any questions with that. Anybody have any? That smokeless tobacco sales has been a good deal. Yes, it's worked out very well. Some of this stuff, there's been some resolutions where some of that stays with the Sheriff's Office, a lot of it does not. Like the inmate commissary, that goes back to the general fund. Phone calls, that goes back to the general fund. State reimbursement we get for state inmates, that goes back to the general fund. This is net revenue, right? If anybody has any questions on that, I'd be glad to answer them if I can. Chief, do you want to come up and talk about the camera system? Certainly, y'all, we were doing the tour of the jail about the camera system and how we need to get that up and right now we're not complying with the courts as well with our panic buttons. We've been looking around and I've had several companies come in and I think we got a quote on one of them was like $18,000 and I'm like, that's just ridiculous. So we've been trying to shop around some other places. But one of the companies that we were talking to on the camera system says they believe they can go ahead and throw that in for free along with the camera system and their prices are running kind of similar. So I know that I had to go out for bid, but what I'd like to do is bring one of those folks in from the company, maybe at the next meeting. You guys may have some questions because, again, I know it's going to be an expensive thing, but this is a liability that we need to get a hold of pretty quickly. Would you be able to answer any questions as far as like, several of you have asked about what is on the camera, if we have to expand, if the system would be able to expand, if we build on to the jail. So those are some of the questions that they would be able to answer for you. And one of the things I said in talking with him is, yeah, it's very expensive, but pretty much everything has to be rewired because everything is analog. So actually rewiring everything to where it is in digital format, so that's one reason why the price is expensive. Yeah, the system we have today is not compatible with anything. We might be able to get on eBay and find something. Go ahead. I know like in some, like in school systems, each of the cameras have to be like, they have to go through like a licensing for each camera. Is this something that has to, that you guys know if this has to happen with the camera systems in the jails? There will be a licensing fee, but that's only so we can access it from outside the facility. So as of right now, the only way we can access the cameras that are inside the jail is to get into the jail and access them. So if something happens inside that jail, if the inmates took over the facility, we can't get in there and see what's going on because we can't even get to the camera system to access it. It's the same thing in the courthouse. It's right through that window right there. If something happens in here and they took over this courtroom, well we've got to get into this room right here to see what's going on or come in blind. Right now our retention, we're on three separate systems for the sheriff's office, for the courthouse, and the jail. They're all on three separate systems. One lasts 30 days, one lasts 14 days, one lasts 21 days. Are all three of those systems analog systems or just the one in the jail? I believe all three are analog. Yes, so this will be some additional cameras that are coming in that will catch them blind spots. And again, we'll have to get in court and testify to that. So if something happened today and they didn't tell us about it until let's say three weeks, they're like, hey, I got assaulted over here at the jail. We can't go back and pull any video. So now it's going to be that employee's word against this allegation. So if we had that video, it would knock it out pretty quickly. So it's going to protect us all the way around. Is this going to come straight out of the budget, or is this going to have to come through budget committee to... from general fund? We're looking at, hopefully, like I said, I don't know where it's at now, but it's like the smokeless nicotine sales that we have, seeing where that's at. And one of the companies he's been speaking with actually talked about a zero percent finance for five years. So if something like that, we might use that and actually use the nicotine to actually pay for everything. All he died for. But if it's something like we're probably going to be looking at here pretty quick, like I said, getting out for a bed or something. So with your permission, at the next public safety meeting, I'd like to bring one of those reps in if you have any questions. They can kind of give you a rundown of the system, how it's going to operate. Again, if I've got to burn a 30-minute video, it's going to take four and a half hours. The system we have, if it goes to multiple cameras, then I'm looking at three or four days trying to get a video. I've got 14 days to try to get it. So that's something that needs to be corrected quickly. While speaking of cameras, we're not going to a cloud base.
Well, that's one of the part of your question on the license. That's where we get into the ridiculous money, where they store it ourselves. Right now, we're currently with action on our body cameras. They are killing us, and they're just charging for storage. So, one thing that the sheriff wants to do is try to get away from that cloud base, and then see if we can't get another server back in our sheriff's office, and then let's try to get away from that contract, cuz again, over a five year period, you're probably costing us $100,000 just for that storage of those body cameras. And right now, our dash cameras, we don't have any. We went with a private company. They wanted 100,000 a year just for the patrol cars that we have. So, that's not an option for us. So, does Josh see a problem? I'm guessing y'all talked with Josh about getting that. So, does he see a problem with that at all? I mean, it'd be pretty easy to get everything back in. Yeah, we've talked to him on a lot of the things we do with cameras or computers. Yeah, we brought Josh in on every meeting with the camera folks. Every company we talked to, we made sure Josh was right there with us. Again, the biggest thing is putting those servers here, so we're not gonna have a reoccurring fee. That's what we're trying to get away from. Is there any? One more question. So, whenever you're talking about servers, are you talking about additional servers outside of the security cameras in your system? So, cuz they'll have some type of centralized server for the video footage. So, you're talking about an additional server, too, for the body cameras. For the body cameras, but that'll be at a later date. Right. But again, we don't want that contract to come back up, and then we have to be stuck with that for another five years, cuz there are five year increments. How long before that does come back? I think we have three years left on this contract. Yeah, we have a little time on that, but while we're talking about cameras, I wanna make sure, cuz when we come back in a year and talk about cameras, I don't want you to go, well, you know, let's change this thing about cameras. The Axon rep was probably not gonna reorder me in a meeting that we had, because, I mean, most of the people in here that knows me, I can tell you how it is, and the stores, they call us, or charge us. And then also, Axon has bought tasers, so that's the only person you can get a taser through is through Axon now. And they were trying to sell us this big plan, and I told her, I said, in the chief's office, and I said, the problem is Axon wants THP. They want California Highway Patrol, NYPD, these big people. They're charging all this money, they can afford it. We're not trying to take care of the little folks that can't afford anything like that. It took some negotiation, but we gotta work out where we're gonna get some tasers. But they just have a monopoly on the whole situation, and I said, we're trying to get away from that space, and the body cameras don't work. As it stands right now, I priced it out to another company. I can outfit a deputy, car, and their body cam for $3,000. And we don't pay any more, but we gotta have a server to be able to house that. Yes, and that equipment will come with a two-year warranty. So he said, I don't care if you are looking over a bridge and it falls off into the river. He said, if you can fish it out, send it to me, and I'll send you a new one. Just so- Sorry. Go ahead. Just to put it in a quill, it's like in Williamson County, when Jason was working there for the car camera, or just the car camera itself. No, it's radios, I'm thinking of it, $10,000 for radios. Yes. I'm sure the car cameras, you remember what they- They were, they were probably gonna get you still $10,000. Right, so that's really reasonable. Yeah. I have two questions. One question is, to the servers, do you have any idea what kind of capacity would be required of those? And then the second question is, with the camera system that you guys were kind of just talking about with the jail, I know we've had discussions about it before, but what's the number right now as far as what that total cost is, what everything you want? So about three months ago, and keep in mind, everything keeps going up. Both companies were right on mark for about $180,000. And what that does is take all three of the old systems away, and puts everything on a new system, including the justice center, the jail, and the sheriff's office, and it's gonna combine it all in one. And that's also adding more cameras as well. Yes, and that's why we're gonna add a few extra cameras where they're in some blind spots as well. One thing we actually talked to you about as well is we have spoken to the judges about putting cameras in here. No audio, but just to have visual. So if something did happen in here, someone in the master control area can actually see if something happened. They can let us know. And then do you know anything about the capacity of the server that would be required? You're talking about for the body cameras or the camera system for the- The body cameras. The body cameras. So talking with Josh, who's been in that discussion too, he said it's probably gonna take about $60,000 to build a server to be able to house what we need to house. Another question to tie right into that. So is that, with doing that, would we, or would you all just purchase the hardware and it just be managed in-house? Yes. That's what you're asking. Yes. And then, like I said, eventually, what we wanna do is push away from Axon. Because I've seen what's coming, and they're creating a monopoly on everything. And they're just pushing people into contracts, and you don't have an option. So we can go ahead and be mindful that our contract has got about three years left. And we can start getting these balls spinning, and we're good to go. I think we're minusing, I think, two right now on license and fees with the body cams. So my thing is, next year, we have it up in our budget that we can purchase two of the body cams and two dash cameras. And then we can start and see how that's starting to roll out. And then get all the keeps worked out with those two, and then push. So we're gonna ask you all a million questions. So if I'm understanding that correct also, basically the body cams that y'all have, cuz we won't have the licensing for that anymore, they'll be obsolete. Yeah, they'll be obsolete. We'll have to have these newer camera systems. Yes, we'll- Operating, the long-term operating cost of it's gonna be much cheaper. It'd be much, much cheaper. Like I said, the initial upstart cost is what gets you, cuz you gotta build that server. About $3,000 a unit between the car and the building itself. Yes, and like I said, once you build that server, you can compatible any body camera, any dash camera. And then they'll have automatic uploads. So just like for instance, if he goes out on a call, his body camera captures something. His cousin showed up, and he goes, man, I don't really need that out there anywhere. He won't have the ability to go in there and delete that. Cuz it will automatically download the moment he hits any Wi-Fi that is Hickman County government. Whether it be at the DCMS station or whatever, it'll automatically start uploading to the server. What about, is there any talk about adding any kind of Internet connectivity between cars? Cuz I know there's a lot of dead spots. Yes, and actually, Pete or Mr. Harris will probably speak a little bit as well. I know they were working on trying to ramp stuff and trying to actually put the startings. So we are actually, I think, I don't know what the date is now. So initially, we got the report system. That was a huge benefit, put Arizona's report system in place. That pretty much took everything we had in the drug fund when we first came to office in 22 to get that up and going. So now the deputies can do reports from their car. The county commission was great in helping us getting computers for the cars. So now we have computers in cars, we have a report system in cars. The next step is actually get where we can run tags and driver's licenses and everything from our cars. And right now we're on the Wi-Fi cards. So that's how, not Wi-Fi, but several cards for computers. And they work good, some places. Some places in our areas, we don't have service, so that can be a problem. If we can fix and get where we have the star links and stuff in, that would be a game changer all the way around for always having to have. And as soon as we get the tag thing done, we're actually gonna go to the mobile CAD system. So when the dispatch puts a call in, it automatically will get sent to that deputy, so we have all the information they have. We can go in, add notes and stuff ourselves, and not actually have to call dispatch and say, hey, can you add this to the card? We can do it ourselves. And I will speak on that. Mobile data for dispatch helps tremendously. Being a dispatcher, you got those 911 calls coming in, that war room's going crazy. The thing that would drive me the most nuts is the deputy asking for a tag or something, right in the middle of all that. So them being able to have that, it really does make a critical difference in how things get taken care of. We started the process a couple months ago, and I don't know, Monday, I think Friday or something. We finally got TBI rolling. We're, hopefully, I think in the next couple of weeks we should be able to meet with them about getting that set up. With that internet capability on the patrol units themselves, is there anything already like that on our ambulances? This program that they're talking about also help our ambulances? We have Verizon. So we all are facing the same thing. Yeah, they work great. Why don't we get a third? But yes, we've also been in contact with all of them. All right. If the county ever gets that, it matters. Cuz one thing that's not too good, the mobile dispatch is also a schematic system that is as well. And I know Jim, we work together a lot with the county, and he knows what I'm talking about. He said, we get that mapping system, they give you a call, and it draws you a line from where you're at to where you're going, and it's great. There was times we could catch calls that tied, and the ambulance could see it, too, when they would have it on the mobile data. When we would put it into the 911 system, the ambulance would see it pop up before we could even dispatch it. So if they were out and about, they could already key up and say, medic six, we see that call, we're en route. And so, I mean, it really does save time. It's real time. Does that increase your response time by a lot? And like I said, it's real time. If he's sitting there and he took a call, as he's entered it into the computer, when he's hitting enter, moving to the next page, it's sending it to that cab. And there's a lot of stuff. I mean, no, we're not EMT, or paramedics, or anything like that. But it may be a call to pop up, it's an EMS call, but we're worried about a close. But hey, we can go right in. I'm gonna help do something until he can just get there, which is quite often. Yeah, so it could benefit him as well. And if a 911 dispatcher's on the call with a situation that's got weapons involved, if it's a domestic situation, if I'm posting that in, the dispatcher, if there's somebody dispatching the sheriff's department, they don't have to try to read what I'm typing and radio it to the guys, they're seeing it. So that deputy that's in route is actually seeing what I'm putting in the computer in real time. And everybody's seeing it, not just one department at a time. Yes. We've already integrated a little piece of that into the mobile. They get to see it in real time after they enter. As far as the handles go now, I know we are a little off track on that part. But, I mean, sorry. We can see it as they update it, it comes into our system. But it does need to be in all of our systems, because as they'll tell you, we're a lot like how they handle it. And this is a mess up on my part when we started this process. I thought the annual fee was gonna be about $2,500 a year. And I don't know if I misunderstood them. Personally, you've got a gun in your eye, though. But apparently, it's gonna be a quarter. So the cost is $2,500 a quarter to be attached to this. And again, it's because it's got NCIC on it. We have to pay that terminal fee through the TBI. So that may be something that will probably be coming next year. That I may have to ask for an increase in our communication budget to be able to cover that. But I think the benefit will be well worth it. Any other questions for the Sheriff's Department? So the camera system you've been putting in the jail here at the Justice Center and the Sheriff's Office, can you make that server, or does that company make a server big enough that you can tie the body cams and everything into that? Potentially, but we would have to look to see what we're gonna get the best for our club. Again, no company don't do anything without making money. So I think it may be beneficial for us if we have our IT guy, Josh, build our servers out. I would be more than glad to ask them if they can attach additional storage and maybe we can catch up with that. That's something I just don't know. Is everybody good with the vendor coming, you said next month, right? Yes. And can Josh come with, Josh and Harry, can Josh come with them? Reach out to Josh, make sure he's here. That way we can have both here. Okay. Is everybody good with that? That'd be good. Any other questions for us? Thank you all very much. Thank you guys. I'd be really grateful to get rid of our Etch-a-Sketch security system. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We're still working on a program to look for those store links for the home of vehicles in the county for emergency services. We, Sarah and April with number one have been working on that for a while. It's not the matter of getting the store links. It's just the cost that's associated to roll them from month to month. So it's still there. There's still options. Go ahead, Sarah. They worked with us during AES, and I talked to them. Having communication is really a thing for me, because I was at Katrina. And so I didn't have comms with anybody for three days when I was working there. And so I told them I really felt concerned about the Sheriff's Department and the email service being out there in areas or pockets that don't have Starlinks. And so one of the guys said he would donate us some Starlinks, but then there's that monthly expense, and that's where the expense is. I have looked at some maps. There's possibilities there, but typically those directs don't cover fees. They'll buy equipment, but sometimes they'll do that initial one or two years. But I haven't found anything yet that would benefit the county, and it's just really expensive. If we could have them maybe on the ambulances at least at the start. I'd like for us, EMA, to have at least one in case we're doing a search and rescue or something. But as minimal as the ambulances have them, because those guys could get put in some precarious places. Just a note on that. We are still working on trying to figure out what we can do to help all of us get those Starlinks. Should have been in your packet a month or more. I'll answer any questions that y'all have on that, and then I'll roll on right into what I just handed out to you. Are there any questions on the information in the packet? I will give an update while you're thinking. Just as far as Winter Storm Burn and the reimbursement, FEMA has already obligated that money. So now it's moved into the TEMA portion. So hopefully as soon as we can get the rest of that information into TEMA, we should start seeing that reimbursement coming in. So I know that'll make Crystal a lot happier. I know she ain't got no knives or guns. She's already been asked, so I'm good to go there. But that money should start to trickle back in soon. It's already been much obligated from the federal down to the state level. Any questions as far as what else is in the packet? I didn't know if y'all received this in your packet or not. That's why I went in and brought the printout here tonight. I know what time of year it is. I know a lot of what our county's facing right now. But I brought this up tonight because I feel it's an urgent matter. I brought it before commission last year at budget time, and I want to bring it up again tonight. I know typically it's something that is brought up during budget. So this is new for me and new for y'all, I'm sure. So that being said, I'm requesting a position. I'm asking this body to help me figure out a way that I can get a third position in emergency management. I've set before you a job description and also a position justification as to why I need this position to be filled. I know this is all kind of new to all of us. Like I said, I'll answer any questions that I can't answer tonight by email, if y'all would like that. But I really want to go over a few things. Hickman County and EMA are responsibilities that continue to grow. We have more and more responsibilities put on us every day from federal level to state level to even county level. We've talked about the flow plan management and all that that's coming into our codes. We already know the problems that we face.
trying to keep our resiliency and keeping all those coordinating efforts together with two personnel it's just not sustainable and you know it's doable it's just not sustainable, not for a long period of time. And that's why I brought this matter back up tonight. I'm not going to read through all of this. Y'all see it in front of you if you have any questions that you'd like to ask me tonight I'll try my best to answer if I can I'll send it to you. One of the things I'll bring up to the room, a few years ago when I was the EMA director one of the things that Pete and I started looking at we we've been looking at trying to get a third person for a while that's that's actually when floodplain management we actually took that from the codes department and we were getting that off of them and because floodplain management is a good land in emergency management because it deals with flood mitigation and things of that that nature so it's it's a great marriage with emergency management and it took it away from code so that they could free up to do what they were needing to do with the cleanup resolution and everything else so at that time we had and we were looking at your EMA director is overseeing the entire disaster management program for the county your ops manager was the second person which was dealing with working with all of your response heavy agencies at your fire EMS law enforcement to support them make sure equipment was running right working memorandums understanding with all those departments and keeping those relationships and then we were working on emergency preparedness coordinator which is basically what the community resilience and BOAC coordinator is it was somebody to work on the image administrative side of all of your grant management working with your BOAD partners your non-governmental organizations such as Red Cross and things like that and to do floodplain management that way we roll it all up into one from from a Jim Tanner perspective as far as emergency management agency in this county emergency management definitely is at a point for the future it needs three full-time staff looking into the future now how we get there and how long it takes to get there I don't know but I will say that this is definitely something that for resilience in the county to be successful for it to continue going as it is going it definitely needs a third person to handle the floodplain management just just the floodplain management itself but I know there's been a lot of talk on grant writing and federal and state grants is such a critical benefit to county operations where you're looking at public safety or even outside public safety so this person could also do that not just for EMA and public safety but they could do other through other county grants that we're looking to get them to do they could look at trying to get grants for Sheriff's Department for for the camera system they can look at trying they can work with economic community development first grants there they can do there's a lot of you know we have talked about you've heard that on the campaign trail we were doing this and it's not wrong we do need somebody to focus on grants for this county because we're putting everything on our on our public to honor on their taxes on the property taxes and we got to find a way to be able to increase that revenue grant is there's a good way to do that so this person could also do that so I wanted to make sure and get out get that out there to let y'all know there that that third person could help with a lot of stuff but just stay I wanted to say that because Pete brought it up and it was a good time to actually just express that and then I don't know Pete your plan on trying are you trying to you want to get this now are you trying to are you trying to prepare everybody to talk during budget during the blue sky days yes there will be some opportunity to look for things like Jim is talking about but you know during what I call the gray sky days there are those times when we're having to set up I mean last year if it taught us anything we need to be more resilient you know we we went through several disasters through the year last year and it taught us that you know just working in that human needs piece working within our community centers those types of things that's that's a full-time job it needs to be even in the blue sky days we need to be prepared for one of those times happen that's what emergency management does I spoke with the mayor just briefly economic development ways that we can get this get community resilience building that out so that's all just kind of ties right into it what are you looking at for budgetarily so you've got you got $45,000 for a salary and miss crystal can I ask you a question what is the cost of the county for benefits all right so all together for an employee it's going to call $70,000 right a year out of budget do you have any of that that you are you able to get any of that out of your budget currently okay so you're looking at for the county to approve $70,000 starting now right or or right start discussion Tony where anywhere just overall general how long has it been since we've been on a county employee full-time anywhere new position we've been on a problem we've added we've added a couple at the sheriff's office actually and how long in the last four years I know so two and four you two or three I don't know Joey can answer that no we have to or maybe three I'm not sure it was from the SRO grant from the state yeah the technical grant funding took care of that so no none other than that countywide over in four years roughly five and this goes without saying you know EMA don't stop with the normal business hours you know we we work nights weekends holidays you know and then works growing daily as far as the requirements that are asked of us from federal and state level it's not what don't you know wait and wait so you mentioned like a grant writer it's part of this description wouldn't it be better not for that to be under EMA would that be under like the mayor's office well this is so grants writer is not really how that was actually worded this is just to help us work with the grants that we're currently doing like we have a grant right now for the generators for EMS stations those things have to be tracked and followed water storm fire if you look at that that's like a DR type grant so that grant has to be tracked and documented for years it's not like something that when we're done and the money gets back there's years we have that along with opportunities for looking for new grants if there's time available yes we'll put we'll put the end of the ink and we'll try to find another but this is just to keep up with what we're currently doing right now well EMA is emergency services at the home so to me all of the fire law enforcement so how many I feel like two employees are full-time one's part-time how many hours currently I mean I know you can't say for sure it's it's always gonna we're trying I mean we can't go over 32 hours and how many hours y'all got two more full-time I get director and you get the other so how many hours y'all turning in on a normal week period so since we've had fire and we've worked with that part-time person we've actually been reduced over time we can have some overtime throughout this it was 50 to 60 hours a week so you're on average so you're turning in 10 to 20 hours over time a week 10 to 20 hours that's what we're learning about that we have been able to reduce that down to this week is true exceptional because of banana pudding festival but prior to this week we were able to get down but before it was 10 to 20 a week to the four-year and I know you your salary so it's different ballgame for you what is no time Johnson yeah so if this position was to be able to be filled would it completely cut overtime outside of like some sort of actual emergency disaster reduce it absolutely the legwork that goes with the plane management is that one of the primary factors for me that's one of the big factors for the third position along with the ongoing completely yeah we were working on the transition yeah years ago was completely transition the department had changed and the does it make any kind of sense for that to be a partial split or being in the house in one place does that make more sense logistically it's not an everyday job so if there's there's times where you're putting in 40 to 50 hours hardcore work a lot of times it's the classes that you have to go to or the situation like we're in right now where there's our coach director give me a phone call we talked there is a house that's going to be built right now so that could go anywhere from 10 hours of work to 50 hours it's just based off of right now that work is primarily done or completely done when it comes to funding currently right now we're sitting in I thought I heard more ago that you have two full-time employees and one part-time employee you don't have two part-time employees I do have now two, I'm splitting my part-time salary with two different people to try to keep up with demand so what what hires are the two part-time, how many hires a week do they put in? so the one part-time position, I've got two full-time employees so the one part-time position, I've got her set at 16 hours the other part-time position, I'm trying to work her up to 32 hours but I'm going to run out of my part-time budget before the end of the year so the one part-time position I have, we did have that person on contracting services and once that transitions down, we'll no longer have that contracting services portion of it so then we're 100% coming out of our part-time budget and that's why the urgency tonight is because I will run out of part-time budget before the end of the year so if you wanted this, could you do away with the part-time if you've got another full-time job? I'll do whatever this body tells me to do I need as much help as I can get right now I welcome any of y'all to come by and spend the day and watch the day-to-day operation Do these people have to be trained? Any training go into this? There's a lot of qualification that goes along with this How many hours would that take? What does that look like? Depends on the person that applies for the job I mean, hopefully we'll find someone that's trained in this qualification or a lot of them, you know but, you know, just to be an emergency manager, it's a unique position I mean, I can take a fire department member and transition them to emergency manager I can take an EMS worker, transition them, law enforcement, transition but to have that one lane that kind of umbrellas all of it, it's a unique position Just to clarify, because in case there's no monies to give at the moment would it help if you were to, like, take the rescue squad chief off your plate right now? Would that help you with, like, your time? I'm not counting that time and I'm just interim there and that's coming to a close anyway I mean, that's till December That was something that we tried to do to minimize the impact that it's going to affect this county if that department shuts down That department currently holds 60% of our fire service in this county And that was... Lane size? Lane size you're talking about? Lane size, yeah So, that was just something to try to help them I'm not counting that time Well, I'm saying this because there's only so many hours in a day I'm just trying to help you mitigate You're absolutely right No, man hours, this is not affecting emergency management This is not emergency management hours that I'm putting in there This is after work, you know, stuff Yeah, that's coming to a close in December Thank you Any other questions? Anything, any questions y'all have, please feel free to ask I mean, I can email y'all, whatever you need Don Do you have room in your budget to make this happen? Because you're not asking for $45,000 for 8-9 months You're talking about $45,000 per year And we're already into the budget year already So, do you have this money in your budget now? To get through to the next budget year? The budget money that I have in my part-time model Currently, I went to the city and requested from city aldermen And they donated or gave me an additional $5,000 to help me With my part-time budget because of the struggles that I was having And it's still not enough And it's still not enough Thank you Steve Yeah, I mean, your report to the mayor You know, this was Jason coming up here, he's an elected official A little bit different situation I'd really like for the mayor to understand some of the needs And I get that, you know, you've presented a lot of information here And you've taken it all in But I'd really like the mayor to Because he is directly your report And it's, you know, within your department For him to kind of understand that And, you know, maybe get a better understanding of what's needed And, you know, just looking at this description It sounds like it's From what I've heard, it sounds like it's really broad The things that it is And this description, though, is more of volunteer Voluntary organizations active in disaster And community resilience So maybe that's some of the stuff is under the community resilience That you're kind of grouping some of that stuff But maybe get it more, you know, pinpointed And that sort of thing So I think it would be better for us to understand some of that The mayor and I have had several conversations about this I wouldn't bring anything before this body without the mayor knowing No, I think you did We've talked about it And I told him I wanted to bring it here Let's all ask the questions so we can all do this together And if we'd taken it a step further in the budget Or even another one of these meetings That would be more involved I wanted to see what y'all thought about this Just on the front end of it Because I can say yay all day long But y'all ask good questions It's good for all of us to do this I guess the only, obviously adding a position in the middle of the budget here Is not something that I want us to do, personally I think that's a bad situation
you had a lot of opportunity and you did present and I know and I know you know the commission at the time you know um shut down some things and we had to curtail some of the budgetary lines in order to get where we're at but I do know we added 20,000 I think and or added about I think 15,000 in the part-time personnel line. I know we moved from other salaries I think to to create a deputy position um that was the offset you know it's a wash pretty much but um there were some things that we did so I just have concerns from that perspective. I cut every penny that I could cut from every line item in my budget to stay to the budget line and I had $15,000 to work with on a part-time person. Yeah and then you got another $5,000 from the from the talent center as well so I mean there's some there we did make some adjustments. It wasn't like the prior commission didn't do anything so I just want to make sure that's understood but I'm going before this body tonight letting y'all know that yeah money will run out very soon but we're three months into the budget year and so I yield. Tony. This is just a conversation partner is that correct? It's not something that you're saying is absolutely essential that we do this month and if not EMA and the world's gonna collapse. This is just a conversation starter to let us know where you're at and where you're where you want to go. I would I would think that uh it would probably be a good time over the next month to for all of us if anybody's got further questions just so we can move this along because we're not there's not gonna be nobody's gonna make a motion not to do this it's just not gonna happen but it would be a good thing I think for all of us as commissioners to talk to Pete, talk to Sarah, talk to the staff, look at numbers, talk to the mayor with any questions and let's come let's come back to this meeting next month and discuss further. I got one more that would fit in there so I don't know what I'll ask but um what is what is our general fund balance currently sitting at? That was end of the budget last year was 6.8 now part of that's that 1.2 million not alone right? Okay so that's in a different spot that 1.2. Okay, gotcha. Thank you. Can I add a little bit on that so like at the end of this year we're projected to have 3.9 million on hand and that will come out of the budget for the general fund uh deficit and all that right? Everything. Yeah. Gotta think about cash as well. Is there cash? Cash flow. Yeah. Checks don't come. People don't pay their taxes until February. No I was just curious as to where we're at on the general fund as of right now. Yeah. Again, this is a conversation starter. I would like to uh throw in there just for a note. I know he brought up the 1.2 million dollar loan that was occurred during the firm. The money spent and the money's returning back is two different numbers there so y'all can look at that as well and see what that that difference maker is and that's kind of that'll show you the importance of having good documentation. What is the number difference? Are you rough number? Rough number? And you're talking about rough number of the good. It was in it was in the packet. It was like six hundred thousand one point two six hundred. I think that's what that's what it was. That's what I remember. Yeah that was it. Difference? Yeah it was one point two six hundred so it's six hundred thousand difference. I'll show you that. That's in the that's on the low end right? You understand that correctly? We're getting back six hundred but we're spilling. No no too we're getting back we're getting back more than six hundred. Yeah yeah the loan was for 1.2. Yeah our expenses were six hundred change. Okay there's gonna be right here and what's been that's where I was under misunderstanding Any further discussion with AMA? Any other questions for Director Tibbs at this point? Well I think Sarah was going to add something. Oh yeah. All I wanted to say is that you know our day-to-day work diligently to make sure that those grants that were being referred to were taken care of and it found Bronson County in October last year we were doing banana pudding and then we had AES and we were also working we started a grant for generators that was $120,000. I think y'all heard me mention it several times and I apologize for that but that was something that I was working on and wasn't able to put 110 percent into volunteer building which is very important to me so that when something like AES or Fern happens we have a really strong base that can help the community and that's value added for that third person to allow me to do these types of things or for another person to do those types of things and our volunteer system and all the other programs also we worked on going forward then when a disaster happened in the middle of it we did not have the generator or we did not have the volunteers we have all of those things so in in those blue sky days those things are being built up and it brings value to the county it brings value to the communities and we're also able to educate the public whenever these things happen we had very positive feedback in a really bad situation because we were communicating to the public that's what that third person brings because at some point that deficit is hitting I mean I'm going on vacation tomorrow I'm exhausted we need that third person I would say we need a fourth person but I would be ecstatic for a third person because we cannot maintain we are bringing revenue I had five grants we probably could have worked on in this county for our first responders for those guys if we had a little more manpower so we're not just spending money we are bringing money we are a really great insurance policy as well somebody said that enough of those those very true so I just I put it on y'all to know come in see what we're doing see what value we bring to the table and know the money is there even if you don't see it if we didn't have somebody sitting there going through all of those line items that there are and having that training to recognize what the federal government needs we wouldn't have been able to bring back this county as much money as we brought back there will be another disaster I don't know if it's tomorrow but it will happen if we have the right person in place whoever it is we we can have that person there we can be trained ready to go to bring the county back the money it needs that's all does everyone have Pete and Sarah's numbers if you do have time over this next month I would recommend stopping by the ELC you know sitting down and looking at at some of that stuff looking at if y'all could pull federal mandates and state mandates that EMA has to what we have to do yeah and so that they can see that I'll be gone this week yeah yeah just whatever and and then y'all yeah and just just ask questions I think this is great to start the discussion I think the third person in emergency management is definitely needed we just got to try to figure out how what that looks like and you know definitely not anything we're going to fix tonight something we can we can y'all get more educated on and then come back and just continue discussion next month if y'all are good with that any further questions for director Tibbs any further questions for director Tibbs all right thanks Pete thank y'all um is this is the health and safety that Matt also speaks when when he's here okay okay uh does anybody have anything on properties that when it needs to I'm still trying to work some stuff on the station three trying to figure something out see what we can do with that but to everybody we'll start talking about it gotcha all right any old business hearing none I'll talk a little bit about new business I'll start us out the uh the minute templates that I sent you one of the things uh when we were going through and uh during the campaign trail and we were going through working through the minutes to see commissioner um attendance and it was nice to see Mr. Jordan, Mr. Gianakis, Mr. Pickard all did very well so congratulations y'all did really good on your attendance uh on the last over the last a couple years and but one of the things that we realized really quickly was that the minutes are so scattered and they're each committee has different sets of minutes and they look different and it's and it was some didn't report everything that you would need to get the information that which required further digging and that's just looking at attendance from commissioners that's not even looking at what was spoken about um so in an effort to try to uniform that I've been talking with Casey and the template that he sent us is what Casey uses for our full court meeting and he also sent the Roberts Rules of Orders minutes template um I we're going to do that for health and safety we're going to mirror that and I would just recommend if any of you are already any of you that are going to be chairmen's or chairmen's secretaries if you're already on committees I just ask to see if it's possible to work with those other committees and see if we can all have the same looking I mean it really should be the only difference would be at the top would be the committee name and the date and then but everything would look the exact same and have the right information in it it would just it's just something just to keep us uniform and hopefully hopefully make that a little bit more efficient and make it easier for citizens to be able to go back and find the information they need and us you know if we need to go back and look and we're trying to pull information so that was the reason on the minutes we're going to start doing that for health and safety so hopefully if you guys can take that and and do what you need to with it that's what that is for is there any questions on that no question but I will point out that so the program we have for the full county commission and the reason why we have the iPads and stuff we can expand that to the committees but there's added cost for that so I was hoping that was included I was going to use it for the budget when I was over the budget so but you know if you wanted to do that that would be added but you could do it the problem with that is like if there is a motion on the floor if they have to type up like Casey if you see him up there sometimes while there's a delay he's got to actually literally type that in so he can put it and vote on it so that's what that is thank you sir all right any other new business all right hearing none what's next motion adjourn motion to adjourn Steve is seconded by Mr. Pricker all those in favor get up and walk out